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long, some trying to look reasonable: 'look at me and how fair I am'. No more mr nice guy, sick of it sick of watching good people try to 'explain' or go on the defensive.

I don't think they have any idea of how ANGRY they have made people. Which is probably why they are so SHOCKED that their dirty tricks, lies and deceptions are not gaining them any traction.

I am so thrilled to see the hundreds of thousands of supporters all over the country nip these dirty tricks in the bud the minute they start and have no time for anyone who tries to 'negotiate' with them.

Lies are lies period.

They sure changed ME and so many others. Used to waste time on their games, not any more.

They are undermining our democracy and got away with for far too long. I want zero to do with them, no 'sympathy' for them regardless of who they claim to be. THAT is what has lost this democracy for us, the mealy mouthed 'we understand BUT. No we don't, not any more.

Enough is enough! Thanks Bernie!

Some unscrupulous business people and playground bullies perceive reason and willingness to compromise as a weakness.

They usually don't stop until their victim drops the olive branch and kicks their ass.

The fair and reasonable approach of liberals can be perceived as a weakness by clueless people. I think in this case that characteristic of liberals was deliberately leveraged for political machinations.

When this controversy first broke out, and even still, dozens of posters sincerely offered their support to BLM while suggesting, as an aside, that maybe the issue could be advanced more effectively if supporters were not driven away. Generally the response was STFU.

more 'it isn't enough, BOW DOWN' Really? Not this Liberal. Bullies are cowards and must be confronted head on, and on one needs to 'explain' themselves against lies from obvious deceivers.

The effort to appease bullies has never worked, and personally I have no desire to do so. Any more than I would a temper throwing two year old. It's not good for the parent OR the child.

This was a dirty trick, period. That's all I need to know, now on to be prepared for the next one, because there will be a next one, and no negotiating, no explaining, call a lie a lie and be honest about it.

It isn't working for them, Bernie continues to soar, so they will become even more desperate.

But one of the most vile things I can think of is to USE the serious issues AAs are dealing with FOR DECADES, (I never noticed all these 'concerned' people over those years btw) it is despicable.

I don't think they will be happy until they garner more violence. These women are playing a dangerous game and I am afraid they are going to get exactly what they're looking for. I'm also afraid it will be at the expense of those they are currently manipulating into thinking they are fighting for equality and justice.

Yeah, they're willing to take their clothes off and protest and maybe get arrested- big whoop! Where are they going to be when the bullets start flying? I can almost guarantee, they won't have their asses in the bloody streets.

The ones you're aiming at will pay no attention to this. Bernie is continuing to speak out on these issues.

They were chanting something and refused to shake her hand.

She just smiled and moved on.

And those guys demanding she cook or do laundry or some sexist thing.

They were making an offensive joke. It isn't even remotely analogous. Were they shoving her? Screaming inches from her face?

In any case, I thought they were repulsive and condemned them. You seem reluctant to condemn the activists who assaulted Bernie.

But i also mentioned the other thing with the Edwards supporters

is no comparison with what has gone on since Netroots.

But then again Karl and Hillary were much closer than they let on. It's the Bush nexus of which Hillary and Bill are major players. People in the center in our party don't like the analogy and can scream and scratch all they want...usually flagging any comment they simply disagree with...but reality is that Jeb and Hillary are allies and not for the right reasons. I cannot tell you how many DU juries I've served on recently where there was absolutely nothing deserving a red flag. Just points Clinton promoters disagreed with. Pure attempted censorship rivaling anything Repubs do. Why not just campaign as Republican-Lite?

The implication that Hillary and Jeb in cahoots is nothing but bullshit. I swear, you Bernie supporters are getting worse every single fucking day. Do you think Jeb would be fighting for abortion rights, free college tuition at the expense of the wealthy? Do you think Jeb would put another Bader-Ginsberg on the court? Or another Scalia? And I've sat on numerous juries lately that are the exact OPPOSITE of what you're whining about. You prefer Bernie, I get that but this kind of crap HAS TO STOP.

I didn't even know who Bernie was until a few years ago. But I've had intimate relations with the Bush family and Hillary is part of that family like Bush. I'm sorry you're just a novice and new to the game. I'm sure your tiny little bit of fervor means well but if you weren't such a Closeminded fool maybe you would've watched the facts on the ground for the last twenty five Years and had the same conclusion as me. Cultural issues like abortion are distractions for them. Prepared for the naive. They laugh all the way to the bank. Keep Rollin with that," But they have different views on abortion" tip. Really? Turn off the TV little one.

And really, being called pathetic by the likes of you is a badge of honor. Only someone with a penis would call abortion a "distraction". You aren't worth my time, little boy. You argue like you're still in the sandbox.

And it shows.

Your insults aren't even worth flagging. You can't even read. And you have no affinity for the truth. Just another blowhard that acts exactly like a Bush follower. You haven't been paying attention since 1991 if you can't comprehend the beyond strange bedfellow connections between the Bush and Clinton families. Try educating yourself before you spout your drivel nice been a committed Democrat since the early 80s and Hillary belongs in the party of which she was President Of The College Republicans.

That's pretty funny since there is certainly enough support here on DU for Elizabeth Warren who was a republican far more recently than Hillary. Take your own advice because your insults are nothing but amusement for me.

I trust Liz...I dont trust Hillary...few people do. She buys Facebook friends and creates millions of fake twitter followers. I would find that amusing if she wasn't such an "honorary Bush family member".
http://www.adweek.com/prnewser/hillary-clinton-allegedly-has-more-than-2-million-fake-twitter-followers/112810

She's going to be the nominee - do I have your absence to look forward to as DU rules are you cannot lobby against the Democratic candidate?

Why are you worried about that? Im just stating my opinion and any facts I feel relevant. Save your censorship and join the Republican Party if you don't want people (real ones) voicing their opinion. I love the inevitability and entitlement position that some people take...its turning off many voters. Bernie is a reaction to Democrats utter disappointment and disgust with Hillary's Wall St and War Machine support. I'd be more inclined to support changing her positions but she has proved to be untrustworthy. I don't relish having this belief. It would be much easier and more comfortable to believe the facade. I despise Bush Sr more than anyone in politics other than Dick Cheney. My aversion for Hillary is based on her support for him. I would worry more about the present if I were you. Polls are static and even they are moving away from her. Yes Ive seen the Jesse Jacksons, Jerry Browns and Howard Deans derailed so I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary secures the nomination but the state of affairs is much more dynamic these days changing a great deal in real time and I believe most people don't want another Clinton/Bush election. If Jeb is the nominee then ceding the anti-nepotism advantage we would have had would be foolish, right?

as well as being quite annoying. And worried? About you? That's pretty laughable. I don't run DU - the rules are you don't get to trash the Democratic nominee - don't like the rules, leave, it's that simple. Whining about it is very unbecoming.

Good luck

So you do it yourself? I guess this exercise is over my head.

has a much uglier message. Women have been bowing down since the beginning of time.

And as it turns out, the woman who organized it is a fundamentalist Christian. Although I aged that in general it's even worse when directed at a woman, it's degrading and horrible when directed to ANYONE. Period. No exceptions. It's ugly and it's intent is to debase.

If you're interested: https://mobile.twitter.com/AngryBlackLady/status/630879800253530112

Her page^^^ (the interviewer) I think has the link.

Please try to grasp two concepts at the same time.

If "Bow Down" is inappropriate for Clinton because of her gender, then demanding a Jew bow down might be kinda inappropriate too.

Well, for some.

No surprise there.

Well, yes, I can. Seven random jurors, it's a major crap-shoot.

An adorable pic of a baby w/photoshopped guns gets hidden but that gets a pass?

DU juries are a real crap shoot, that's why so many alert on everything and hope for a good outcome.

and what's a little antisemitism is it benefits one's team?

It's been a long time since I saw so much crazy right out in the open as there's been around here the last few days.

I think this primary season will end up being worse than 2008 on DU.

Things can only get worse now.

My response to the baby post alert... and my response to the other post not getting hidden...where's the smilie for "I am so not even fucking surprised!"

All we can do is shine a light on it and hope the jurors understand that bigotry is not acceptable, no matter which candidate you support; even if it's a Republican - look at the homophobic crap they posted about Graham.

It is difficult to get people to find anti-Semitism unacceptable when so many don't even know what is and are so keen of telling us, especially Jewish posters, what is and isn't anti-Semitism. As for Graham, there was one asshole who made all kinds of homophobic remarks and it stood 7-0! I was even reprimanded for being "too thin-skinned" and educated that "straight people enjoy anal sex too". For real!

C'mon now. You have been here for awhile!

We have lost too many good people here and too few bad ones.

To those of you who are not using the attack on Bernie as a weapon against people who don't support your candidate:

Anyone choosing to not use this very aggressive protest by a conservative christian is cool in my book!

People of color are imprisoned in numbers way out of proportion to their percentage of the general population. Racist legislation that targets people of color (three strikes laws, cocaine vs. crack possession, etc.) as well as discriminatory arrest and prosecution of people of color ensures more profits for the prison owners.

Bill and Hillary Clinton's "tough on crime" stance has helped create this racist institution:

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/the_clinton_dynastys_horrific_legacy_how_tough_on_crime_politics_built_the_worlds_largest_prison/

My undocumented brothers and sisters. Yet, Hillary loves Latinos. She has many on her staff. Hipocracy is right.

i know several young white people doing time for offenses that were tickets 30 years ago...i am not saying it is not worse for poc, just that it does effect everyone but the 1%ers, who can buy their way out

Deportations lock ups, they are making millions.

In a little known "bed mandate" established in 2007, Congress requires that federal immigration officials lock up an average of 34,000 people in immigrant detention facilities on a daily basis. The bill, which commits taxpayer funds for the incarceration, was heavily lobbied for by the private prison industry, including GEO. Once at these detention centers, people are often held for long periods of time while their case is reviewed.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/03/19/within-profit-deportation-machine-hunger-strikes-spread

i have a granddaughter who is of partial mexican descent ...i get terrified for her and she was born here (it is not like she carries around her citizenship papers)

The prisons are filled with people who, by all practical standards, are incompetent to handle their own affairs or even live on their own. But they are deemed competent by our legal system if they can be taught to recite, in simplistic terms, the jobs of the judge, jury, prosecutor, and the defence attorney.

and yes I said so. But I also have problems saying that the protesters were only there because Soros or Hillary or someone else told them to be there. The fact is protesters tend to behave in ways that are less than appetizing. There should have been a ring of people around that stage. I have been to several similar rallies in Raleigh, Durham, and Greensboro by groups such as the Moral Monday Movement, Equality NC, and others. To a group, they made sure the state was secure. It is wrong this happened to any candidate, but the blame largely belongs to people, who according to one of their organizers, planned this thing for months but didn't bother to secure the stage. It is a baffling decision that they made.

Raleigh has a substantially similar place that is open field surrounded by government buildings and can't be cordoned off. But you set up a stage, put people around the stage, and don't let people on it unless they are scheduled to speak. That is what Moral Monday did. Once the stage was lost there was nothing anyone could do that wouldn't have been just horrid optics. Yes, he would have had to compete with protesters in the crowd (the people holding the banner etc) but he would have been able to speak. They planned this, according to those who set up this rally, for three months. It is mystifying why they didn't protect that stage.

It's worth the watch. I thought both Sanders and his wife handled it very well since they seemed to be trying to solve the situation Its clear that they had no choice but to leave when the event was cancelled. The person in charge of the event had to make the decision to end it since Bernie was only there as an invited speaker.

Nothing the Sanders' or the event organizer could have said or done was going to be acceptable. They were there to take over his event, make it theirs, and shut him out or shut down the event. Or maybe get footage of themselves getting arrested and dragged away. Nothing reasonable. That is very clear from the video. And they weren't alone. That is also clear from the video.

When two grown women jump up and down like three year olds, shouting in the organizer's face, "I am being reasonable," we're not even in the same town as reasonableness. That is also clear from the video.

I understand protesting, but it's good to be clear what actually happened.

This is Nadin's raw video thread.

and I don't know the source but the close up one shows that Bernie wasn't turning his back on the protestors or storming off the stage which is what some Media has reported.

I agree with your view. You don't achieve anything by acting out, in your face shouting and shoving the Event Coordinator. Someone posted an article here (maybe it was the one from The New Republic) that said that BLM protests Bernie because he doesn't have security. What kind of excuse is that? Pretty scarey if one thinks about it.

Going after the candidate who is most accessible because he doesn't have security?

Obama should start his Secret Service protection NOW. Obama got it early because of threats. But Bernie and the event organizer experienced actual assaults. I'm pretty sure the goal was to try to get a "photo op" of men putting their hands on them, even if only defensively. But, no one knows what might get stirred up.

My main take-away from the whole thing is that Sanders had lax security.

or calling Obama a piece of shit used car salesman any of the other idiotic smears that routinely get 100+ recs here.

Empathy. Try it.

Many in the Bernie crowd have been tossing around absurd and hateful smears on Hillary and Obama for years, so this sudden concern about over-the-top criticism is more than a little hypocritical.

I don't recall anyone from DU climbing onto the stage with Obama and calling him a piece of shit used car salesman and demanding he bow down to them. Got a link to the video?

If folks have to pretend other people have done awful things to excuse their own behavior, because nothing in reality will touch it, that's entirely on them.

Same with most Bernie supporters, which explains why he's still getting hammered in the polls.

But the point still stands: if you want to complain about unfair attacks from the left against Democratic candidates, the very first place to look is Hillary-bashing.

You know squat about Bernie's supporters and you claim about unfair attacks is baloney.

Because I remember a lot of gloating about that on this board.

poster who added many thoughtful, enlightening essays to DU over nearly fourteen years and who has since been harried off of DU, gets old and boring. Give it a rest. Save some of that anger for causes that need it.

And rudely distrust ice but calling out Hillary supporters is just being bitchy.

Isn't that special?

Try reading for comprehension- if you can

if this had been directed at any of the candidates. ok, well my sympathy might be more limited with the r's

but in general it is a shitty way to treat someone and the bow down thing is just vile.

Saying anything or saying nothing or having them jailed or letting them speak, it's heads they win and tails Bernie loses.

...if you're serious about opposing this against Sanders, you should delete this yourself.

would have been so upset of this treatment to one of our own... Senator Sanders. We as democrats love this honest progressive fighter. Sad that this primary has some losing sight of what a treasure Bernie is on the progressive side. I know for a fact I would never want to see Hillary treated in this manner.

especially one who is challenging Hillary in this primary from the left.

fts

for your movement. I can understand the initial outburst at Net Roots because people are righteously angry and want to be heard . But continuing to target a man like Sanders with in your face disrespect is too much. Sorry, he's done nothing to deserve it that I know of. Though I don't support Hillary for President I would feel the same way if I saw her being interrupted and shouted at.

(And yes I am a supporter.) because then maybe we could all stop talking about this. Getting a bit tedious.

And that was before it escalated.

This is just the latest attempt to claim Bernie doesn't care about poc.

Both her and husband owe black people an apology

not only to black people in US

but in Haiti,Rwanda as well


Just my opinion

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This is beyond the pale.

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I was #7

for the coming twenty-four hours.

thin skinned if they react. And get accused of frivolous alerts.

to get rid of me. I take it as a point of pride.

the Seattle BLM group, where Bernie was asked to speak at a rally on Social Security and Medicare in Seattle. and was prevented from doing so because they wanted to speak about something else.

In fact I have wondered if BLM was holding a rally to discuss the abuses of African Americans in American, and if three people grabbed the microphone and demanded to discuss an entirely different topic, what would the reaction be?

However, I do see posts that sympathize with the BLM movement, that for some, have a blind eye toward anything a member of the BLM movement does is above criticism.

described. I guess I just didn't think it was necessarily coming from Hillary supporters, but it could very well be.

I've only been active in the battered women's movement and anti-pornopgrhay movement for years (and feminist scholarship/outreach to women and girls) and gotten crap in so many arenas for my feminist actions and beliefs. And am a survivor of sexual violence and battering. But because I politely questioned HRC's neoliberal policies in two posts, even as I praised her other work, I was told I was a "misogynist" and was immediately banned so that I wouldn't ever "insult their candidate again."

These same posters (I won't mention them by name) have openly said on other threads on multiple occasions that any problem one has with the agitators must mean one is silencing African Americans and is racist.

It's delusional. I think it's related to pervasive trauma, frankly.

Someone who wants to fracture the left understands this psychological process well, but that's another essay I've been meaning to write for years. I won't hijack the thread with it here.

Oh--but I know the HRC group members don't represent all HRC supporters, of course, many of whom would be appalled at the behavior of these people in their name.

This is a false statement: