That's where the problem is. Governors of States aren't handling US Foreign Policy, corresponding with other Government Officials (including the President/VP) the Pentagon, NSA, Industry and Foreign Government Officials including sensitive discussions of strategic planning for War Policy and Foreign Trade Agreements.

Why are Democrats giving oxygen to Republican smears, that is very puzzling and unbecoming?

And why do even Democrats seem to also conveniently forget no email was marked as classified until AFTER the emails were sent! And the servers were then secured only because of that after the fact assessment? I doubt any of them are of any concern...because Clintin says so and I believe her.

In the end it is about who you think is lying and who is not...I think it is Republicans and not the Madame Secretary First Lady....but that is just me.

How hard is all that to remember and fathom?

and why there would be questions.

and South Africa for example; that Governor is involved in foreign relations

This one has already been grooved by Republican propaganda it is still, whixh makes it all even more pathetic - at least I understood how folks were misinformed on what BLM were.

On to the new faux outrage!

Are they exploiting it? Duh. But she created it.

Make equal impact on a place like Syria.

Why didn't we know that??



Man, it just gets funnier...in a very sad way.

The dumbest move is by Clinton, though.

She should have known that she had to do everything by the letter of the law. How many scandals does it take for them to understand this?


I have attacked Hillary since Super Tuesday 2008. I can't help it if she just gives me more and more to put in her unelectable file.

I have voted for Democrats in all my local elections and for the general elections. Remember Obama? You know the names Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell?

Yes, I voted for them. I read the voter packets and vote for judges, for referendums, like the one that gave Washington State marriage equality, legal cannibus, Medic One...

I think I am a good Democrat by that standard.

She was the one who chose to:

1. Keep a private email server at her house and mix personal and government emails together.
2. Grant access to private email server to her top aides.
3. Not follow explicit instructions from Obama admin to use government email exclusively (you notice how not one of the senior Obama staff current or past is defending Hillary on the email issue? They have to be pissed).
4. Hide the use of the personal server and not disclose it to Obama admin and others.
5. Hold on to the emails after she left State for years until State Dept. requested them.
6. Wipe the server clean and delete messages.
7. Hold on to the server for months and only turned it over at the Justice Department's request.

These are decisions she made. They show poor judgment and why she should not be president.

Even a governor dealing with local issues has to follow the law when it comes to transparency and making information available to FOIA requests and the like. It's one of the things intended to combat corruption, which if anything, probably happens more on local levels than federal.

I think it's that fact that Hillary isn't a republican and as a smart woman she should have known that. What the fuck, did people sleep thought the impeachment of Bill Clinton? Did people not see Newt and Hyde and their hypocrisy? Hillary should have known that they would do just what the republicans are doing and yet you have a problem with people talking about it on a discussion board?

How hard is it for Hillary and her supporters to remember and fathom that what is going on here is just what the republicans and the media do? Hillary did this, she put this out there and she should have known better. Sucks being held to a higher standard doesn't it?

It is what it is. The reality is the media is obsessed with this and the Republicans will never ever let it go. Find an easily understandable way to go on the offense about it that is TRUE and doesn't sound like legalistic weaselling.

Yes, that is the question. Maybe "Democrats" should be in quotes.

Then no one else would either...

Different place and Different time. And WHY is Colin Powell who LIED about IRAQ before the United Nations be held up as someone to Honor because "he did what Hillary did...even though it's decade and more ago!

Think about it......

Plus use of a private server went explicitly against Obama White House directive to use government email for government business. Pointing to Rice and Powell etc as examples does not fly because government email was not as well-developed then, and there was not such a clear,explicit directive in earlier administrations about use of government email.

Sure, the Republicans are much worse in blending of private vs public interests.
All the more reason for Hillary to go out of her way to adhere impeccably to division of her private vs governmental correspondence.

I'm not ready to hit the panic button yet, but this latest news today has me worried.

The major issue, in my mind, is that public servants are conducting the public's business on private email servers.

That should be against the law - for all of them.

and for the executive branch of federal government, it already basically is against the law. It's certainly against current policy.

put into Jail under terrible circumstances it seems that those with the Most Power are trying to dodge WHY they took their Own Precautions (against the Law) to conceal their own dialogue "under the radar" to keep SECRETS from the Very Public they are PAID to SERVE!

From my understanding, what little laws there are regarding this issue have no teeth.

The public should demand two things:

1. That there are laws, with real punishment (i.e. jail time and not just fines), for public servants who conduct the public's business on private accounts, servers, cell phones, etc., and,
2. That these government-owned electronic means of communications are audited more than yearly and that there is funding to purchase the necessary software and consulting services to ensure that these systems aren't easily hacked.

Just like I won't support Hillary.

Thanks for the LOL!!

And none of them were SoS. The main reason they all do it is to avoid FOIA

good to know.

EXCLUSIVELY. Why are you using Republican actions to excuse this?

...except to point out the hypocrisy of republicans; their use of taxpayer dollars to pursue this; and how people here are echoing the republican's bogus and meaningless attack.

...I'll pass

Nothing will happen to Clinton over this just like nothing happened to these guys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Brilliant strategy right there.

A Republican (say - George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan...) did it, therefore it's ethical.


I had to use the flag, because the excuse is actually being made!!

Suppose Hillary Clinton wins the Dem nomination because Dems blindly say "everything's OK, she's enough like a Republican to pass", and the Republicans start slamming her and her response is "Republicans do it too!"? But the Republicans won't be hurt by the truth of her claim! They'll laugh! Because it won't hurt Republican turnout - it might even help it - but it certainly will dampen Dem GOTV efforts.

How can a Dem not get it? That the two parties have different ethical standards? That the two parties are different - in who they're beholden to, in what their "base voters" expect, in what their "base voters" demand their elected politicians to fight for?

Even children aren't allowed to use the finger pointing "but mommy, the kid on the next block did it and didn't get punished! It's not fair!" as a viable excuse.

But, isn't it Hypocritical Propaganda? Just because one Administration Official ...Got away with it.....Then Everyone following them about lying gets to have the same immunity?

In response to your second from last paragraph - I think we've got a lot of bleed over from how bad W. was and some of the moderate conservatives are just calling themselves democrats now.

Cheers!

let's recall where President Bush was on 9/11. He was in Florida and his movements on 9/11 were coordinated through Jeb's email which was on a private server AND WHICH WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN OR WILL WE EVER. That's right, Jeb has refused to turn over any email about what was going on, on 9/11, refused to turn over email about the Shivo case, and refused to turn over email about the election of 2000 ALL OF WHICH WAS ON HIS PRIVATELY OWNED SERVER.

Sorry, but as a web site designer and manager, I think (IMO) private email servers tend to be less under attack then government servers. I believe a private server could offer somewhat better protection, especially in this generation of very competent IT personal.

They are more relevant to this discussion since they did have access to top, top secret information and they never let anyone look at the servers or the emails sent, just deleted the materials and destroyed the servers and PC's. Of course a Bush is never held responsible for anything. They are founding members of the 1%.

So now she is just a hypocrite.

Minor Governors would be of interest to international snoops the way a Secretary of State would be right down to the colors for Chelsea's wedding linen.

They always want to know the private lives of other powerful players.

If this is her defense, it just creates more of a problem because she sounds naive and out of touch with how to think about National Security. It's a bit pathetic frankly. Wonder who advised her to do this.

Yikes, don't know if I'm in a Hillary group. Would say this even if I supported her, however.

Has convienent amnesia also infected DU?

Bengazhi? Remember that years long smear, now held inreserve until Emailgazhi is debunked?

Or is that next?

And equating what Clinton did with other current politicians and the words "classified" and "national security" didn't appear once. Is anyone making the argument that their real issue with Clinton was that she was mixing business and personal email on the same account?

I am no worse than republicans. She should fire her advisers or maybe she is not listening to them.

I'm a long time Hillary supporter. I am disappointed in DUers who use right wing talking points to attack her on these Democratic threads. Now my point:

I remember back in the 2004 primaries, the word "Deanies" to describe Dean supporters was prohibited. I'm sure your description of Bernie supporters will get flagged somewhere down the line. Just sayin'

Some people need a reminder that, in the end, we're on the same team. Those same people the poster is deriding might be needed to put his candidate over the top in the general.

1. None of them were Secretary of State.
2. None of them frequently dealt with classified material.
3. All of them were the top executive in their governments. Hillary worked for Obama. Obama told his entire admin to use government email exclusively for government work. He ran on transparency and he has been almost entirely scandal free due in part to his transparency pledge. Hillary is the culprit of Obama's biggest scandal now, which is not surprising considering the Clintons' constant need to skirt right up to the edge ethically.