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Hillary Clinton's campaign just sent out this 13-paragraph message explaining her 'complicated' email controversy
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-server-defense-2015-8#ixzz3j2EGcx8B
by Colin Campbell at Business Insider
"SNIP...........
Here are the basics: Like other Secretaries of State who served before her, Hillary used a personal email address, and the rules of the State Department permitted it. She's already acknowledged that, in hindsight, it would have been better just to use separate work and personal email accounts. No one disputes that.
The State Department's request: Last year, as part of a review of its records, the State Department asked the last four former Secretaries of State to provide any work-related emails they had. Hillary was the only former Secretary of State to provide any materials -- more than 30,000 emails. In fact, she handed over too many -- the Department said it will be returning over 1,200 messages to her because, in their and the National Archives' judgment, these messages were completely personal in nature.
Hillary didn't send any classified materials over email: Hillary only used her personal account for unclassified email. No information in her emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them. She viewed classified materials in hard copy in her office or via other secure means while traveling, not on email.
What makes it complicated: It's common for information previously considered unclassified to be upgraded to classified before being publicly released. Some emails that weren't secret at the time she sent or received them might be secret now. And sometimes government agencies disagree about what should be classified, so it isn't surprising that another agency might want to conduct its own review, even though the State Department has repeatedly confirmed that Hillary's emails contained no classified information at the time she sent or received them.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-server-defense-2015-8#ixzz3j2EeOYnJ
.............SNIP"
tularetom
(23,664 posts)All these desperately constructed defenses just run together to the point where nobody pays any attention to them.
It all begins to sound like Charlie Browns teacher.
It was poor judgment, just like the Iraq War vote, gay marriage, and a ton of other issues, and we can't afford it.
applegrove
(118,710 posts)factual.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The anti-HRC crew is happy that she is explaining ... the pro-HRC, doesn't require an explanation.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)No proof necessary because Hillary is magic.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)is, objectively, no different than accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior?
Yeah, I never fell for that crap; that stuff's for rubes.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)not what you hope they will do.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Did it start off slowly, increasing in small increments, or was it one big jump?
Whatever percentage of having the President's back you're at, I'm at 3.46 times that amount.
66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)If so - THINK AGAIN!
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)If I had known that my anonymous comment on one thread on a political message board would bring down Bernie Sanders' campaign for President of the United States, I would have never made it.
Thank you for the scolding, Hall Monitor 66 dmhlt.
66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Go check those polls again. Her unfavorable percentages are always higher than her favorable percentages. Also her untrustworthy numbers are always higher than her trustworthy numbers.
There are some people listening to her, but the majority do not believe her. That is factual. It is also the shape of things to come. If she is the nominee it will get far far worse. We need to dump this terrible candidate before it is to late.
jfern
(5,204 posts)But still poor judgement.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That speech was the worst idea ever. Unless of course claiming to have dodged sniper fire was even worse. I am kinda torn.
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,014 posts)And since the letter exposes the "scandal" for the tripe that it is, the new meme is about a second backup server. You're late for the bus.
applegrove
(118,710 posts)not the place to post this? In the Democratic Primaries Forum? Where on the internet would this be appropriate to post this? If you were a supporter of Hillary and wanted to keep things as clear as possible in regards to her candidacy? Regarding ongoing issues?
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)set aside for further review.
The possibility of a full backup of the server was yesterday.
We can only guess what tomorrow will bring, and the next day... and the next day... and the next day... etc. etc. etc..
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but this is going to go on for months, if not longer.
It is a real problem for the campaign.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,014 posts)If you want to know her "perspective"
https://twitter.com/JennaAdamson
dsc
(52,164 posts)was Himmler to busy being dead so you had to find our second choice author.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Autumn
(45,113 posts)them. None. She knew she was going to run for President for her to do something like this which anyone would know wound send the republicans off on another Clinton witch hunt shows extremely poor judgment on her behalf.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)defending bill clinton from GOP attacks.I have no desire to go through it again especilly for candiate who is way too conservative and hawkish for me.
there is nothing to benzri.and while emails may be nothing but bad judgement that's enough for me.she has bad judgement on trade deals,iraq,civil rights,and middle east.
Autumn
(45,113 posts)I spent 8 years doing that, longer when I count my supporting her in her last run and not going to do it again. No way in hell.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)But I am not an expert in cybersecurity or the rules concerning classified information; so I am still listening.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)There are a host of reasons why handing unencrypted State Department communications through a personal email server is a very bad idea.
1. Unencrypted = easily stolen by bad actors
2. Personal server = not behind White House firewall, too easy to intrude
3. Communications not on official server = not compliant with communications retention policies, not subject to audit
4. There is no legitimate need to do so
Vattel
(9,289 posts)But do you think there is anything illegal or seriously unethical here, as opposed to just an unfortunate but ultimately pretty harmless (not counting the harm to her campaign) lapse in judgment?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)and possible subject to criminal charges if I violated a legal records hold request.
I think the burden of proof is on the accusers here, though, to show that this action on Hillary's part resulted in actual harm (i.e. secrets fell into enemy hands). Note that Chelsea Manning was roasted on a spit for releasing information to the media, so it's somewhat hypocritical that people like Manning and Tom Drake get the book thrown at them (although Drake came out on top) and Hillary is presumed exempt from this kind of accountability.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)They keep saying that:
No information in her emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them.
It really doesn't matter if the information became classified after it was sent to her, or after she sent it. It looks as if it is still a violation of law.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law
^snip^
The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee not just a rank-and-file House member alleged Tuesday that Hillary Clinton likely broke the law with her use of private emails as secretary of state.
"I think they all fall into one great big mistake she made," Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa told Newsmax before adding: "And it could be a violation of law, probably is a violation of law. Some people are suggesting she could even be prosecuted, and it's as simple as this she was using a private email address instead of a government one, and it probably violates the Freedom of Information Act, it probably violates national security legislation."
The Federal Records Act requires agencies hold onto official communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records.
FOIA is designed to "improve public access to agency records and information."
The NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress."
Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. "Knowingly" removing or housing classified information at an "unauthorized location" is subject to a fine or a year in prison.
P.S. I don't like Grassley either, but I am going to use NPR as a source, even if they quote him. You can bet the (R)s will have a Senate investigation report (full of lies) which gets released right before the General, if Hillary is the nominee.
Picking Dem
(106 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Remember that whole "I didn't want to carry 2 phones" excuse that it took the Clinton campaign 8 days to dream up?
What a horrible campaign with a horrible candidate. They should have gotten ahead of this months ago. I guess believing yourself inevitable has some draw backs.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,960 posts)...Republicans will investigate every comma in every email, for as long as she's running or in office!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)& how information is reviewed.
Perhaps they will even go to the FOIA website and order the public emails for themselves, just like the media does. http://www.foia.gov/how-to.html