2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDean pollster: The typical Sanders voter is a Volvo-driving, financially comfortable white liberal
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The Bernie Sanders voter is still a Volvo-driving, financially comfortable liberal who is pretty much white, Paul Maslin, a pollster who worked on Democratic contender Howard Deans 2004 presidential campaign, told Ms. Haq. I dont see how Bernie takes large numbers of black voters away from Hillary Clinton, and he needs to if he wants any shot at the nomination.
Read more:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0817/Bernie-Sanders-on-race-Did-Black-Lives-Matter-protest-force-his-hand
Picking Dem
(106 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)am barely keeping above water. what an ass hat
artislife
(9,497 posts)that my mechanic says must go. It has well over 166,000 on it. I just put in a new starter, new head gasket and timing belt in these last 8 months....I am looking to barely make rent by the 5th.
Isn't it funny, because when you see photos of supporters out with the candidates in candid shots, the volvos and better seem to be parked outside the lunches with another.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)I DO like latte, but cannot afford it most of the time.
I am white though...they got me on that!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Anything else?
What does the typical HRC donor drive? Oh wait, they don't drive.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)On clouds made of self righteous indignation.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Every one of them in Lower Manhattan, twice a day.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)What do you drive?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Autumn
(45,111 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Your posts are cute, more evidence of the fantastic progress Bernie and the 99% are making.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)When does the Volvo get here?
Wait a minute....
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)wow,how offensive.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Facts are offensive??
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)Not sure where it's coming from but there seems to be a concerted effort...
The typical sanders supporter is white as of now, just as it was for Obama... That doesn't mean Bernie's message is somehow inferior or that PoC will never vote for him. It simply means they are unfamiliar with him.
He doesn't see how Bernie takes larger numbers of black voters away from Clinton? It's simple, continue spreading his message and fighting for every vote. Right now Clinton has a name ID advantage.
Gman
(24,780 posts)It's racially divisive. Got it. Post racial America lives on.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Who said anything about the "white way?" I don't even know what you're talking about.
Gman
(24,780 posts)You may not understand that that's what statements like the above translate too. IOW, just be quiet about race. It's divisive when you bring up Black and other POC issues. It assumes POC are with you and if they are, they shouldn't say anything about their own issues.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)It's an opinion piece stereotyping Bernie supporters as white volvo drivers and then also falsely stating that it doesn't seem likely Bernie can expand his circle beyond that.
Gman
(24,780 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Without changing the demographics of his supporters, Sanders doesn't have a viable path to the nomination.
It's not anymore racially divisive to say that than it is to say Republicans have have a problem given their increasing failures at attracting the Hispanic vote.
If all Sanders needs is to be better known, why hasn't his minority support been going up as he's becoming better known?
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Obama expanded his coalition after his victory in Iowa, virtual tie in NH and then SC victory. Before that black voters were supporting Hillary. Go back and look at the polls, they're similar to what you see now.
Only 1/3 of blacks even know about Bernie, not sure what the numbers are for Hispanics. Also his minority support has been going up, previously his support was only around 3% with blacks, the last poll has him at 15%.
dsc
(52,164 posts)Sanders is at well less than 1 in 20.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)5 months out from the first primary. Also, I believe Sanders is doing better with the white Vote than Obama was doing at this time.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Now look at him.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)It is about a guy who worked for Dean's campaign in '04. ten years ago.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... Berniacs hate Obama...
Quandry
ram2008
(1,238 posts)The majority of Bernie supporters were O supporters in 08 and 12. We certainly weren't Clinton supporters, lol.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Enough with the drama.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)kids from the local hood. a couple weeks back in San Diego...
I am starting to smell a pattern here, and not a nice pattern. Oh and they were saying the same about that kid from Chicago I really am having a problem remembering what happened to that challenger back in 2008.
artislife
(9,497 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I would like Mr. Dean Pollster to visit a Bernie event in my area, and say that to the incredibly diverse crowd of all colors, ages and political ideology. The movement is growing, no matter how much the insider faithful continue to deny it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I drive a 1990 beater pick-up that is on it's last legs and I live below the poverty line. Which I why I plan on voting for Bernie.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)It's just some guy, shooting his mouth off. I suspect a quick check of the parking lot at one of Bernie's big rallies is unlikely to turn up a sea of Volvos.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, she supports Bernie.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Paul Maslin is.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)RIGHT NOW!
Keep up with da memes, and tell me how it works out for ya.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)tho I couldn't help but think of this ad (I like Dean now, but the ad is still funny):
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)who drive old rusty pickup trucks and barely make ends meet that want Bernie.
Personally, I guess that I am one of the elite. Though I don't drive a Volvo, and probably never will, by choice, I do have a rather secure civil service job, with a stable pension. I don't make a lot of money, but enough to get by and have a little to save.
Oh, and I would rather drive my Prius than any damn Volvo any day!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)as payback for endorsement and articles like these?
Perhaps he's being told to let DWS stay in up until the primaries start so that he won't be blamed for the lack of debates before then!
Bernie a liberal problem? There are other points of views out there too besides the more corporate and right of center media outlets (I don't think the Christian Science Monitor is very "liberal"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-has-a-white-liberal-problem-that-will-help-bernie-sanders_b_7910526.html
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)that's not getting paid to A.Make Hillary look good or B.Make Bernie look bad? You guys sure are a conspiratorial group.
Also,H.A. Goodman is a hack who supported Rand Paul before he became a political ad writer for Bernie Sanders.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I think maybe you are projecting.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)appalachiablue
(41,149 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)or anything that would suggest that the driver is "financially comfortable".
I haven't seen any Hillary stickers yet, but maybe that is just me.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)Ironically, on a Volvo.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Projection 101?
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)And we are a one-vehicle family. No Volvos in our carport. (Don't even have an elitist garage.)
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)It won't fit in the garage
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)parked in front of a very small house. and i don't drink latte
more bullshit to try and turn people off to bernie.
hey, kids, it's not working.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)So take that *that*, Dean pollster! I do have a nice home, and I won't apologize for that. I worked hard for it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)known as the Iraq War. I do remember his "nuts on he left, nuts on the right, and me in the middle" quote (or something to that effect), so I wasn't under any illusion that he was some sort of flaming librul. But he had many ideas I agreed with. Hrmph, indeed.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he was speaking out when a lot of others were dancing to the fiddle. i respected that.
senz
(11,945 posts)Those who have nothing to offer always fall back on the tried-and-true.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)So, exactly *who* is out of touch?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Red Wing boots
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)The field boots are awesome.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Then, one day, decided to drop $250 on a pair of Wings. I got the 606, which is American made and can be re-soled. Best money I ever spent.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'm not particularly fond of them, but I could use a new car.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)They actually make a good looking car these days.
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)Volvos are so last-century.
Frances
(8,545 posts)Why don't Bernie supporters say they will get the word out about Bernie's racial policies and win those minority voters over?
Attacking is not nearly as successful as confidently working for a candidate and extolling his/her good points.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Howard knows where his priorities are, I'll give him that. Too bad.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)a Volvo. Hell, I'm barely financially alive, maybe financially in a coma...
I am white. Can't help it, I was born that way.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Plus I want to post this here, there and everywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=75&v=6PU0rPx7vQ0
This video is so perfect it's crazy. He even mentions Janet's "What Have you Done for Me Lately."
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Just so they can laugh as hard as I did. Apparently we're all getting raises and Volvos! Sweet!
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Or has he only recently sold out?
Those are the only two possible options when you think about it.
Either way, I'm less than impressed.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)This is just so obvious - these insinuations that Sander's supporters are racist 'white liberal elites' and therefore Sanders must be racist, so therefore supporting Sanders makes you racist.
Obvious bullshit is obvious.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Because who cares if Bernie understands the issue of institutional racism? It's not like PoC have ever been able to count of white elitist liberals to care about their issues before. It's always the PoC that are supposed to be there for the white liberals - get in line, ect, not the other way around. Right?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)which is why your overly repeated 'criticism' of Sanders in this regard is disingenuous and obvious.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)HRC has been talking about these issues for decades, which is why POC support her so widely.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Disagreeing with a Bernie supporter? Recognizing that POC don't appear to support him, but her instead? Please be specific about what "tactics" you are referring to. TIA.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)In those decades of talking about these issues?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Hillary Clinton supporters *started* the "birther" movement.
"Hard working people...White people..."
- Hillary Clinton trying to distinguish her supporters from Barack Obama's.
That dog whistle could be heard over hurricane force winds.
Autumn
(45,111 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)I wish white people wouldn't use minorities to bash other white people.
We are Human not a talking point.
Thank you in advance.
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)I'll go ahead and keep supporting Bernie.
And we can respect one another's differences...
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And actually believe Bernie is going to make that happen. Pity them.
William769
(55,147 posts)I guess someone doesn't want the truth to be written here.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And I like my coffee black.
artislife
(9,497 posts)white progressives I know drive Suburu Outbacks...might be all the hills, though.
I would love to have one...but don't.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)in town hills
week end hills
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Seriously, if I ever live in a place with snow, an all wheel drive Outback is what I'll drive.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I was once snowed in for 13 days because I couldn't get down my hill. I ate green beans, corn tortillas and protein shakes. I called it the snow diet.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Will check the desktop later
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)No one drives Volvos these days. Theyre made in China now and they suck even more than they did when the Swedes made them.
Signed,
A woman who grew up stranded on the side of the road as a child because both parents drove Volvos (and a Peugeot).
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)
sound like they are gluttons for punishment
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Funny story; one night we were sitting in the living room and heard a car. Naturally we thought it was my father come home from work. I looked out of the window and saw nothing but still we could hear very distinctly a car running. We lived on a small farm and our nearest neighbor wasnt close enough so that we could hear any of their cars. Curious to discover where the noise was coming from, mom and I ventured outside and walked toward the driveway and the sound grew louder.
It was HER Volvo, which had magically and to this day inexplicably started itself without a key. Several mechanics were left absolutely baffled. She had to get another key cut and had to leave it in the ignition in the off position-if she took the key out it would alsays start again minutes later.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Go the Michael Jackson route?
Hey pollster, FOH!
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)I'm guessing he doesn't know shit about how this mixed race, american truck driving, manual labor working guy is going to vote.
Nice try Paul.
P.S. He advised both Gore and Dean. Not exactly a winning record.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I'm Cherokee (with documentation). I'm voting for Bernie Sanders six times in four different Presidential Primaries.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I just traded in my Volvo for a BMW 7 series (read 04 F150).
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)Think they'll give me any money?
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I drive a minivan & drink mostly beer, though.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The pollster is simply describing the kind of people supporting Bernie Sanders at the moment.....he says they're mostly financially comfortable white liberals. He doesn't say that being a white liberal is bad.
But he does point out that Bernie will need to broaden his base if he wants the nomination.
All of this is accurate.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I truly believe thiere's a false "schism" being fomented. Both Hillary and Bernie (and O'Malley, for that matter), will be good allies for POC.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)That description does not describe me.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Inquiring minds want to know. Not a whole lot of them copping to Volvo ownership in this thread. Maybe someone should do polling at the next Bernie event.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)It's just this gentleman's opinion. I drive Hyundai and am certainly not comfortable financially.
I ask Hillary supporters this. What type of car is it suitable to drive? Note that I'm not financially well off enough to afford a Lexus or Ferrari?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Lancero
(3,004 posts)Which was a replacement for a 96 Park Avenue.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm white, female, middle class and think Volvos are ugly as shit.
Get down with your bad self.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It's way too long for its parking space, and about 2 feet of the butt end are always sticking out into the street.
As far as being "financially comfortable" goes, if having just enough to cover all the monthly expenses is "financially comfortable", then I might qualify.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I'll need money for a parking space, too.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)This idiot could not be more wrong if he made an effort to be more wrong. So what position does this clown hold in the Clinton campaign?
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Man, the stereotyping is really getting out of hand.
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)and poor Seniors who are the driving force behind Sanders....hahahahahahaha
Nice try.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It was 15 years old at the time I worked for her. For the record, she was white, female, liberal, and a lesbian, and one of the best bosses I've ever had.
Me, and mine? I'm driving a 10 yo vehicle that cost 23K brand new, and expect to drive it at least another decade. I can't afford to fix the plumbing or the roof.
I don't come from a "financially comfortable" background, and wouldn't really know what to do with all that "comfort." I fear retirement.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,183 posts)It was a godawful mess, what with all the Volvos clogging the streets and empty latte cups and wine cooler bottles scattered everywhere.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)"Just make sure, when you get to the primaries, to scream like a banshee right off the bat. they won't be expecting that..."