If Clinton is the nominee, I'll have to get myself very drunk before remembering to vote for her name on the ballot.

Nice try though.

I said if it comes to Clinton in the GE, I'll get myself drunk and vote for her, as we do have key races in this state that needs our attention.

if she is the nominee, but I fear that the Republicans want to demolish her with her past and will spend millions on it. Bernie is pretty squeaky clean- the Republicans can't attack him because Bernie will *FORCE* them to discuss the issues that is plaguing America, instead of yelling "SOCIALIST! JEW! TOO OLD!" etc...

Hilarious.

to go if hrc is on the ballot

Hillary will be on the ballot. Don't want you to get a DUI or run over any Democrats.

problem.

All I have to do is fill it in, remember to put it outside for the mailman to collect....

I'm hoping they're willing to look the other way as long as I brown paper bag it.

That someone is paying attention.

But thanks for demonstrating that my opposition to hill has nothing to do with my support for Bernie.

And who knows? Although, I'm not weak minded enough to be swayed by some of her more, uh, enthusiastic supporters, if she pulls out the dog whistles against Bernie, as she did in 2008 against Obama, she could change mind

You won't vote for her....then you will vote for her....and now you say you could change your mind again and not vote for her.

Fickle doesn't even begin to describe this....

Only better. We always roll over and vote for the not bat shit fucking crazy.

You seem confused. Changing one's mind once, isn't a lot. And I haven't changed my mind about Hillary.

It's okay. Be yourself.

She has said so repeatedly.

Thanks for calling me a no one.

What can you possibly gain from this? The opportunity to say "I busted an anonymous person online for saying one thing and then saying another!!"?

That's kind of sad. Who gives a shit if this person changed their mind?

What you have presented yourself is a false choice.

Bernie will win. That's all you need to tell yourself!

Better to cut off a finger than an arm.

People are starting to question Clinton's policies as compared to Sanders' policies.

It'll be worse for Clinton after the first debate.

it is an admission that she deleted e-mails herself to cover something up.

Hillary said: "You may have seen that I recently launched a Snapchat account, I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves."

He says this seems to imply that any messages that disappeared from her computer had to be physically deleted by someone or her.

As much as I tried to convince him that it was a joke and that's not what she meant - he went home with his interpretation.

What can I further say to him to help quell his suspicions?

If the stresses of a primary campaign where she was skipping the small states was bad enough to make her claim to have dodged sniper fire.... what exactly is she going to claim this time around?

I was thinking abduction by space aliens, but even that is more likely than the sniper thing.

Maybe she will claim to have been a sniper. Or an alien, who knows?

Never have.

She forgot she wasn't shot at with her daughter?

This is her in a nutshell, she doesn't think anyone is smarter than she is. This one is yet another dumb move by Hillary. Somebody (maybe even she did it -don't care) wrote it up, she memorized the words and then delivered it. It was't an off the cuff response.

Does she understand video?

in 45 years? Oh my!

But this...there is no way it is a gaffe...it was a calculation. Which she does a lot of..

But love your candidate, be happy.

Describing an event that never happened to you is more than a gaffe.

I could see someone forgetting an event that actually happened, but people don't "remember" things that didn't happen.

She and her supporters think we are too stupid to remember.

The same sort of lie that got Brian Williams fired from reading the nightly news. I think a Presidential candidate should be held to at least as high a standard as a news reader, YMMV.

She does some things that you wonder if she is a self saboteur.

"Misremembering" (lying) disqualifies someone from being a network news anchor, but is okay for candidate for the presidency.

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forgive her. They don't blame Democrats. They don't blame Colin Powell. They blame Cheney, W., Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of PNAC. As they should.

Just because you can excuse her doesn't mean she should be President.

If she was fooled into it, then maybe she isn't as smart as we think. Most (D)s voted against the war even after hearing her speech.

She is a terrible candidate.

I can't help but notice that you didn't even try to defend her flip flop on the bankruptcy law. Or her sniper fantasy. Can we agree that those are indefensible?

candidate there has been. She is talented and devoted to public service. She's a good egg in a complicated arena. She is not a dishonest. She want Americans to succeed in all kinds of ways. She will do well as president.

but myself and many others that were around here at the time weren't.

Hillary in that awful Iraq war.

the war to try to stop it? Millions of them. I guess Hillary missed them too, even those of us who called and wrote her asking her to vote no.

the moderates vote.

You are kind of confusing me with your posts on this OP...are you warming up to H? That's okay, it just seems like last couple of weeks you have been kind of hard on her.

out in front of it and know the details from reliable sources. I found that 13 point article on the emails from Hillary's campaign and posted that too. I support Hillary. I was just admitting that I was wrong to be for the Iraq War. And there are a lot of people like me who were and will forgive Hillary for being wrong on that too. Again. I'm trying to fight the disinformation. There seems to be quite a bit of generalizations about her, negative ones, that are not warranted on the DU. I fight that with the facts. I believe in Hillary. And that she is not perfect. But that she is a good egg. The facts will set her free. When I post articles I don't comment on them until I reply. I don't believe we can win hearts and minds without good schooling in the facts of the case.

You faced a lot of blow back from the H supporters, but I understand your reasoning now. It was a bit confusing for me, then.

They should not forgive her bad judgement then nor when she made up shit about being under sniper fire.

candidate.

i take that makes it an "our" as we are on the democratic underground that promotes democrats.

because i did not clarify that there are other dems, simply that she is one, does not in any way suggest i am stating she is the only one.

Personal animosity notwithstanding.

and if the brake lines are cut, the doors welded, and the windows sealed then a longer time to think about crashing and burning doesn't seem all that beneficial.

If there is an escape plan I'm listening but I get the idea we are supposed to slap each other on the back and keep slapping ourselves on the backs for taking the slow ride.

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Don't vote. She probably doesn't want, nor does she need your vote . She'll be fine. Thanks for the offer anyway.

You're even quoting them.

classic liberal egghead from a very long line of classic liberal eggheads. I don't do right wing media. I don't do tv at all. And I never buy my ideas wholesale from any purveyor.

I think she's right.

but I'll gladly vote for her in order to help keep the repubs out of office if she is the nominee.

I'm surprised so many are still declaring outrage.

It will go blue even if you sit home. No worries. Sit on your hands. Doesn't matter.

Way to make friends and influence people.

HRC, according to you, is

I wonder if there will be screen name amnesty when it's all said and done...

cali cussed at me a ton so she goes on the group "w" bench for a week. Group "w" is where they send you if you may not be moral enough to be in DU after committing your particular crime. Have fun!

cali! cali! She's our gal!

Better watch out for Bernie's pal!

I think Hillary will get the Democratic Nomination. Bottom line....you detest a Republican Presidential and you are passionate about that detail. Primaries are stressful.

In 2008 I was energized about Obama and did a lot of volunteering for him. By 2012 there had been too many disappointments. I used the early-voting option to vote for him in October (obviously, the disappointments paled in comparison with the Rmoney horror show), then I went to Massachusetts to volunteer for Elizabeth Warren.

In 2016, I will again vote against the Republican. If Clinton is the nominee, that will mean voting for her as the only one with a serious chance of beating the Republican. When it comes to my time and money, though, Clinton won't be competing against Bush or Walker or whomever. She'll be competing against genuine progressives in other races. I agree with you that primaries are stressful, but even after the excessive rancor subsides, Clinton would be unlikely to win that competition.

It's like going to your favorite BBQ joint craving ribs to find out they're sold out. Brisket? Sorry all out. Pulled pork? Just served the last of it an hour ago. Well, what have you got? Well, we have a rain check for the possibility of ribs in four years, interested?

I guess....

the same thing after the 2004 campaign when I finally gave myself permission to never have to vote for the lesser of two evils again.

It is a wonderfully freeing feeling.

Winning. But ultimately I just don't believe it. If we are going to be sold out to benefit the 1%, what does it matter? Oh right, a Supreme Court justice. Yeah. Not thinking I can convince myself to vote for Hillary.
Unless heck freezes over, but the way climate change is going, I think fire is more likely than ice.

Hillary is too hawkish but, compared with the Republicans, she's still less likely to embark on another imperialistic war.

The Supreme Court is important, too, but I understand your point that by itself it may not be enough to convince you.

I'm glad you mention climate change. Hillary would be a lot like Obama -- some good things, some bad things. Any Republican would be an unmitigated disaster. Twenty or thirty years from now, if someone (especially a young someone) asks you if you did what you could to prevent the Walker Administration from happening, you may find that explaining your vote for Jill Stein leaves you sweating, and not just because of the temperature.

But there's an even better candidate for the nomination, and I want to vote for him next November if at all possible.

We are going to lose people like Ruth Bader Ginsberg soon, and I don't want a republican naming her successor. If another puke appointee makes it to the SC, you can bet that things like marriage equality will be rolled back.

By the time primary voting comes around she will be your number one choice at this rate.

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That was a d*ckish thing that a Koch-funded candidate would say.


It told so much about how she will really operate when she gets elected.


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