2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2008 vs. 2016 The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same.
I'll keep this short, since I almost never post at DU anymore...
In 2008 Team Hillary told us we had to vote for her to protect hard-working, white folk.
In 2016 Team Hillary is telling us we have to vote for her to protect minorities from the same people she was pandering to in 2008.
Speaking only for myself, I couldn't post the divisive, hateful posts that are being smeared across DU and other sites, slandering the only person in the Democratic primary who has always stood up for minority rights 100% of the time, and never used race as a sledgehammer wedge to discourage voters, like some have been doing.
I couldn't just couldn't do that and still have any pride or respect for myself.
Hillary has a lot of great qualities, but her campaign's eagerness to destroy the reputations those who oppose her path to power disqualifies her as presidential material and the more I see of her tactics, the less I see myself being able to hold my nose for her in the general.
TL;DR: I'm disgusted by Team Hillary.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)This post has convinced me to vote for Hillary O'Malley.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)politics too messy or what??
I do not know much about O'Malley what are his best points??
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I suddenly noticed some people today saying that O'Malley was a good alternative to Bernie, sounded like the same kind of posts that used to tout Hillary.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Good to see you still around. You've had far more staying power than me.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Who from the Hillary campaign are you referring to and whose reputation are they seeking to destroy?
cali
(114,904 posts)msongs
(67,421 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)...or truly so cynical that they don't care.
I won't hazard a guess which it is.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I was seriously upset with some of what Clinton did in 2007. But she redeemed herself by wholeheartedly supporting Obama and then with her service as SoS.
It's not 2008. One thing that is the same is that we need to do everything we can to ensure that the GOP doesn't take the White House. In 2016, that means Hillary Clinton.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I don't respect those who smear a strong advocate of minority rights by insinuating that he's an elite racist who doesn't get it. His record, actions, and words show that he does.
I think it's great to support Hillary because she's a strong, intelligent leader who has the perseverance to see this campaign through.
But it's not acceptable to use the same race-baiting tactics as in 2008 in this campaign to destroy a good progressive. It's unnecessary and shows that her campaign people have learned nothing from the last time she ran.
artislife
(9,497 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)I believe her lust for power has overshadowed her real desire to help people. It reminds me of a Faustian deal. Once you make a deal with the devil, you can't turn your newfound power to good purpose. Everything good will be perverted.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Yes!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)The one in the Faust by that English writer--dang, what's his name--is more transparent.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)There are a lot of good intentions behind her desire for the White House. Unfortunately, I believe she's compromised her positions to greatly that she's lost her purpose for running.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Played friendly during his time in the Lincoln administration to get himself on the Supreme Court
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Like they invented racism, but they sure are exploiting it for their political purpose.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And yet I see the same "No we aren't! We totally didn't say that" was not far behind in here.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I don't know how they sleep at night, but their lack of honesty only helps me to understand why they're so very harmful to this nation.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But I have to say they are the PERFECT advertisement for their candidate- makes it utterly clear what their candidate stands for, in case there was any doubt.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)They think everyone is like them, which is why their assumptions of other's motivations are always the worst scenario.
George II
(67,782 posts)In 2008 Team Hillary told us we had to vote for her to protect hard-working, white folk.
In 2016 Team Hillary is telling us we have to vote for her to protect minorities from the same people she was pandering to in 2008.
Her campaign's eagerness to destroy the reputations those who oppose her path to power disqualifies her as presidential
last1standing
(11,709 posts)That appears to be a concept that some here don't quite get.
George II
(67,782 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)You've been one of the biggest proponents of all three. If you've been a proponent through ignorance, I suggest you educate yourself. If it's been for some other, less innocent purpose, I suggest you look inside for your answers.
George II
(67,782 posts)...how could I be a "proponant" for ANY of them?
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Sometimes the pollution is metaphorical.
George II
(67,782 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)I certainly won't doubt your word that you are, but I'm making no accusations.
George II
(67,782 posts)....years, which is 45 years longer than the candidate you support, one who wants the nomination from MY party even though he doesn't see fit to be a member of that party.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)But I think I'm beginning to understand why you can't see facts. You don't appear to know what they are.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)It's still hurting and swollen from all the times I've pinched it in the past.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)At what point does casting a vote for someone who supports harmful policies or uses racial hatred to get elected, make one culpable for the actions of the one they've supported?
I'm not a fan of thinking of things as binary choices. I've been a Democrat for many years but I'm no longer sure what being a Democrat means when the leaders of the party push tax cuts for the wealthy, drone strikes on American citizens, cutting social security, drilling in environmentally sensitive areas, and so on.
And I certainly don't understand Democrats who attempt character assassination on those who have helped lead the fight for civil rights.
At what point does being a good Democrat make one a bad human being?
I'm still trying to justify voting for the lesser of evils because of the Supreme Court appointments, but even that can only hold me for so long. I'm not so sure I can trust the lesser of evils to nominate less than evil justices.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)Sooner rather than later, I'd expect.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Nothing they have done suggests otherwise.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I don't think that those of us that support Sanders need to attribute every negative reaction/story/event to "Team Hillary".
Sometimes you have to take the lumps and counter them with facts.
There is no need to internalize everything.
There are several large cracks in the Democratic Party coalition. They are systemic and structural problems that lie beneath the actual candidates.
We all need to pull the wedges out, not drive them deeper.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Not every slight someone makes up and posts at DU and other places is coming from Hillary's organization.
That said, there's a very, very strong chance that when a smear appears to overwhelm the public discourse in a matter of days, there has been a concerted effort to make that happen. It takes a lot of people having the same thought at the same time to get something like the "liberal white supremacist" meme out so quickly.
I think it's safe to pin this one on Team Hillary.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I'm surprised the usual suspects aren't in here yet.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I don't have much respect for anyone who defends exploiting racial tensions for personal gain, whether they're Democrat or republican, Team Hillary or Team Bernie.
I'll be the first to admit, there are problem supporters in both camps, but I have little doubt Bernie would be disgusted with what a few of his supporters have posted, while I have even less doubt that Hillary's campaign staff is behind the attempt to drive this racial wedge. She did it in 2008, why should we believe her team isn't doing it now?