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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 05:49 PM Aug 2015

No, Hillary Clinton is not spiraling downward

By Paul Waldman August 17 at 12:25 PM

There’s no question which is the more interesting and dynamic primary campaign right now, which inevitably leads reporters covering the other one to search for something new to write about. And in a race where there’s an obvious (if not quite certain) nominee, there will always come a point at which the press will decide that that candidate is spiraling downward, the cloak of inevitability is torn and tattered, the campaign is in crisis, the whispering from party loyalists is growing louder, and the scramble is on to find an alternative before the fall occurs.

This is the moment we have come to with Hillary Clinton.

First there was the fevered speculation about Vice President Biden running against her, based on second-hand reports that Biden has had conversations about the possibility of running. I’m sure that Biden thinks about being president about as often as he brushes his teeth, but that doesn’t mean there’s an actual candidacy in the offing. But it isn’t just him. ABC News reports that “a one-time high-ranking political adviser to Al Gore tells ABC News that a group of friends and former aides are having a ‘soft conversation’ about the possibility that Gore run for president in 2016.” Gore himself is not interested, but who cares? People keep asking John Kerry if he’s going to jump into the race, no matter how many times he says no. Time magazine says Democrats are headed for a repeat of the 1968 election, with Clinton cast as Lyndon Johnson and her email controversy offered as a parallel to the Vietnam War (pretty much the same magnitude, right?).

Guess what: you put two or three former staffers to just about any major politician in a room, and they’ll have a “soft conversation” about how he really ought to run for president. If there’s one thing that stories like these should never be based on, it’s the mere fact that people who used to work for a particular politician would like that politician to run. Longtime political figures like Gore and Biden trail behind them a tribe of former staffers, advisers, fundraisers and the like, all of whom have entertained fantasies about either a job in the West Wing or at least a heady proximity to the most powerful person on earth. If you called up any of them, you could extract a quote that would make it sound like maybe, just maybe their guy might get in the race.

So right now there’s virtually no evidence that the Democratic field is going to expand beyond the current five candidates. And what about the idea that Clinton is in a drastic decline? Bernie Sanders has generated plenty of interest and some support, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Democrats are rejecting Clinton; if there’s any evidence that Sanders supporters won’t be perfectly happy to back her if and when she’s the nominee, I haven’t seen it.

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No, Hillary Clinton is not spiraling downward (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2015 OP
Yes she is. Picking Dem Aug 2015 #1
hmmmm BooScout Aug 2015 #3
Not spiraling, but is gently sliding down and will likely continue to slide till the 1st debate. 4139 Aug 2015 #2
It is the candidate who can get the most delegates which will require winning in more than a couple Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #4
except for the times they do Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #6
Who got the most delegates in 2008? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #7
Sorry, my bad..... Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #10
Obama didn't win New Hampshire in 2008 frazzled Aug 2015 #11
And Obama won NC, NH has not producted the nominee in several years, so go with what NC does. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #12
I Agree... NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #14
Please read post #10 n/t Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #15
none of this really matters yet Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #5
I won't be perfectly happy to do it. ibegurpard Aug 2015 #8
Run Joe Run!!! heh nt artislife Aug 2015 #9
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #13
down down down reddread Aug 2015 #16
Clinton is doing fine and is not in trouble Gothmog Aug 2015 #17

4139

(1,893 posts)
2. Not spiraling, but is gently sliding down and will likely continue to slide till the 1st debate.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 05:59 PM
Aug 2015

Very good chance that will end the slide and she will plateau... No debates to mid-October would have been fine if Bernie hadn't taken off; now no debates are hurting her.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. It is the candidate who can get the most delegates which will require winning in more than a couple
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 06:30 PM
Aug 2015

Of states. I am not worried about Iowa or NH since the winners there have not gone on to winning the nomination.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
10. Sorry, my bad.....
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 08:13 PM
Aug 2015

I must have been thinking of this:

"I come tonight with a very, very full heart, and I want especially to thank New Hampshire," Clinton told a jubliant crowd in Manchester. "Over the last week, I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice.

"I felt like we all spoke from our hearts, and I’m so glad that you responded. Now together let’s give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22551718/ns/politics-decision_08/t/stunner-nh-clinton-defeats-obama/#.VdJ2YbJViko




Of course in '04 Kerry won, in '00 Gore won, in '88 Dukakis won, in '76 Carter won and in '60 Kennedy won (I skipped any incumbent who won since that isn't a fair comparison) and that is just our party.


My original point stands. Sometimes the winner of the NH primary is the nominee.


frazzled

(18,402 posts)
11. Obama didn't win New Hampshire in 2008
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 08:20 PM
Aug 2015

Clinton did (39% to 36%).

So 2008 doesn't really stand as a counterexample.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
8. I won't be perfectly happy to do it.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 07:44 PM
Aug 2015

There's a huge difference between being willing to do something and being happy to do it.

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