2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAnyone else watch the BLM/Hillary video and think
what the hell was that? Everything from BLM's gushing reverence, hyper-politeness, unfocused statements and softball pseudo-questions, to Clinton's annoyed, finger jabbing, content free, allowed-to-drone-on posturing = one big
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Just trying to make sense of it all.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I can not imagine her reaction if she got it like Sanders and O'Malley. I recommend people WATCH the video, the transcripts don't convey the pointing and agitation she exuded.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but it sure was different than demanding the mic or you will shut the event down.
Plus, the staffer jumping in to give her time to think of an answer was pretty obvious.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)about this problem. If they got what she said that must have gone over big.
jfern
(5,204 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)A very little bit of timid criticism.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Maybe that's the difference in Hillary and Bernie. Hillary and her supporters give BLM the respect they deserve for a legitimate movement....from Bernie I see very little respect. He talks 'at' you, not to you......and apparently he doesn't listen either.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Which I thought were pretty good...that's exactly what she'd did. She listened in order to talk and was pretty aggressive in her speaking.
cali
(114,904 posts)And they were so cowed and deferential it was sad to watch.
None of her supporters were acting annoyed, and that's all that matters.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)BLM set the tone with Sanders day one. There was already disrespect for him well before his supporters could weigh in. This "Bernie and his supporters earned derision" has been a forced narrative since the beginning.
cali
(114,904 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)You are concerned about some perceived disrespect, and completely ignoring the message of Black Lives Matter.
Black Lives Matter. They matter more than an interrupted speech, and they matter more than your anger over what you saw as disrespect towards Bernie Sanders.
I highly doubt that Sanders is upset over this. Thankfully he has agreed to talk with the movement. I'm glad. This is a conversation way past due and I'm thrilled it's become part of the national dialogue.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)if you're "thrilled it's become part of the national dialogue"?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Or not?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Yes, it's a benefit.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Started by the GOP.... who seemed to notice there were white people in VT.
That this GOP lying meme has be fallen for hook lone and sinker by some Dems is, well, pitiful.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)I didn't hear any Republican camp weigh on the Sanders-BLM interactions, it was all from Hillary's side. Just more Integrity Free campaigning.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)This is why I said that those 2 girls in Seattle did nothing but hurt the BLM cause, because they made complete asses of themselves. Please don't just the entire movement by a few immature attention seekers.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)is the difference between fantasy and reality.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/18/how-hillary-let-down-blacklivesmatter.html
^snip^
SWING AND A MISS08.18.153:35 PM ET
How Hillary Let Down #BlackLivesMatter
In the first video, Julius Jones of BLM implores Clinton to explain how she has evolved on issues of race since the 1990s when she supported policies that have led to the mass incarceration of African Americans. How do you actually feel that is different than before? he asked. And what were those mistakes, and how can those mistakes that youve made be lessons for all Americans for a moment of reflection on how we treat black people in this country?
A Clinton staffer then politely interjected that they were already running short on time, and that throngs of other groups were also waiting to speak with the candidate. This did not go over well, and projected a dismissive perspective of the BLM movement before Clinton had a chance to respond. Regardless of whether this was the intent, its indicative of a larger problem, which Clintons response further highlighted.
Clintons stuck to the standard political, unemotional answers that referenced her commitment to civil rights issues and to the concerns of the needy and children. Next she briefly, and uncomfortably, touched upon Americas original sin without ever saying slavery, racial oppression, or the near destruction of Native American civilization. Then she transitioned straight into the realities of electoral politics: Im trying to put together in a way that I can explain it and I can sell it, because in politics if you cant explain it and you cant sell it, it stays on the shelf.
I am sticking to the 4 paragraph rule here, there is much much more at the link.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)That is my take as well. I think he showed annoyance and dismissiveness, and she was honest, but respectful, as were BLM. And let's face it, there really is more for them to bitch about with Bernie. HRC has not essentially said that solving the problem of economic equality will solve racism. It's an absurd concept to me, but Bernie seems to really believe that.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)that "economic equality will solve racism."
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yeah.... BLM didn't shut down the event.
Sanders has shown much more respect under the circumstances.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Sure it did.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)"in politics if you cant explain it and you cant sell it, it stays on the shelf.
A business marketing approach to solve BLM issues, does anyone doubt how she will govern?
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)And she basically asked BLM to provide her with a sales pitch, like it was an episode of Shark Tank or something.
glinda
(14,807 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)And it was effing bizarre.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)the questions. I hope everyone is this nice to her during the ge campaign.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)And I've done nothing but defend Bernie against those 2 asshole girls in Seattle.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251510153
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=461485
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I jumped to the wrong conclusion because there have been several "Bernie supporters" who do nothing but work against him. My bad.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)But you know, if it comes down to Hillary Clinton or Martin O'Malley getting sworn in when it comes January 2016, I won't be sad or anything. I'm not getting into this inter-party primary bickering. I don't care for it... well... unless Webb or Chaffee become candidates to worry about, but thats not gonna happen.
rbnyc
(17,045 posts)First, it is so condescending to defend yourself on racial justice by citing your charitable work. On the issue of race she understands her privelege is a stigma, so she uses the children helped through her philanthropy to dissaccosiate herself from that stigma, while deflecting and not actually answering his question.
Then she essentially says that if she looks like she's one of the bad guys, it's just because BLM doesn't understand how politics works and they should just be patient while she, the professional, makes black lives marketable to low information white voters.
Disgusting.