with BLM.

Bernie supporters were the ones who made it uncomfortable.

Do you agree with them that the policies that Hillary has promoted throughout her political career has done much damage to Black and Brown communities?

I don't have to agree with this activists suggestion in order to agree with our cause. It doesn't mean I'm going to find out who this activist supported in high school, doxx the activist on the internet, dig up this activists past, try to smear this activist, then harass activists online.

Reread my post.

even aware there was a movement and AAs were very angry? Hillary's supporters were very angry, didn't understand why AAs were angry, BUT the BIG difference was that Bernie supporters did not spend weeks USING such a serious issue against her, or in any way completely distort her record. It wasn't even mentioned for more than a day or so.

some of what they wrote I agree with, some I don't. I think the amount of blame being given to her for the current state of affairs in regard to incarceration is a bit over the top to be honest. On the other hand, she did favor (certainly not all by herself) policies that wound up being bad ideas. All of that said, it is her job, not mine to determine what her response to it will be.

a better job of addressing systemic racism.

It is absolutely your responsibility to ask your candidate to do a better job.

(FYI - she was an active lobbyist for the expansion of the U.S. prison system. And actively supported that decision for near 2 decades - Bernie, and hundreds of thousands of people protested that expansion - video and transcript of Bernie doing just that provided below.)

not my job and not yours.

After all, we do live in a Democratic Republic, and we, it's citizens should take responsibility for those who presume to speak for us.

I am listening.

and incredibly illuminating, but I don't think in the way that it was intended.

What an amazing set of responses from the Hillary supporters here -- so far. And I really appreciate it.

You are spot on. I'm a little surprised the cat came out of the bag so soon after deflecting.

even sent a PM to bravenak -- the AA forum's social media whiz -- thinking I was missing something and she said the same thing. Hasn't seen a thing.

But maybe we're reading the wrong black people on Black Twitter.

but because there wasn't the lectures, demands, attacks by her supporters or anyone who criticized her it just didn't result into something bigger than it was.

and reducing it to a (for lack of a better, or fitting phrase) "pissing contest" among candidates.

want us to have these discussions. That the Black Lives Matter movement does not want any electoral candidate to best present systematic reform. And fight for that reform.

eff you got that from my post?

How about if they just read and reflect. I know the responding part is what went so wrong with Sanders supporters. I just don't think Hillary supporters are new enough to the game to take your bait.

I'm not looking for any sort of knee jerk response and that was clearly expressed in the title of my OP.

There were thousands of Bernie supporters who took the initial critique of his stump speech seriously. We organized and sent him post cards and signed a petition to change his narrative IMMEDIATELY after his Vermont announcement of his candidacy. Us. Bernie supporters jumped into action to influence our candidate. And he responded to our - his supporters request - as evidenced here:

Accountability for any LEO/CO who breaks the law (re citizens or prisoners); he references SC killer cop being indicted. Prosecute them.
Community policing; integration with the people not occupation and military gear.
Training and better pay for police.
Shift our $$ priorities from jailing AA youth to education and job opportunities for them.

You called them it to respond when it wasn't necessary. Read and reflect. Politically speaking, some wish they knew then what they know now. It has been a great education, including for myself.

I had a brief moment of thinking that when I awoke in the morning to no responses I'd respond with "crickets" but I rejected that.

So, yes. I was and am sincere to read and reflect.

But then people responded. Which was cool, too. And I responded back.

Imagine how bad them shutting down 2 of her events would have gone.

Might need to amend some comments after that statement. Your recent reply to me to your op stated the exact opposite of your intentions.

It was a good and honest exchange.

The claim then was that the candidates are just supposed to listen. "Dropping knowledge" was evidence of not listening.

and access to all the candidates. BLM makes clear their critiques and concerns to Hillary--and I'm sure that conversation will continue. I'm interested to see how she responds going forward.

Just kidding. What kind of moron would respond like that?

I think Hillary did pretty will in her discussion, but I also think that the BLM criticism makes some fair points, though I think they overstate Hillary's personal involvement with creating the current mass incarceration system.

In the end, there's some disagreement, which happens all the time.

react the way some Sanders supporters did here after Netroots and Seattle.

Her aides trying to shut it down from the get go. And Ms Clinton's aggressive finger pointing.

Black twitter is saying near everything she has done has fucked us over.

White asshole Bernie supporters have been saying near everything Bernie has done is to stop people like Hillary from fucking us over.

I find it very interesting that not one Hillary supporter will address Black Lives Matter specific grievance. Everyone of them acts as if their are no grievances.

My whole problem with Sanders supporters here after Seattle and Netroots was their condescending and conspiratorial attitude. I will not tell African Americans how they should feel or how they should see it.

Hillary is not above criticism. All candidates have room for improvement.

supporters on DU who did not do that.

There are plenty of Bernie supporters who said, "just stop" all across the internet. And, there were Bernie supporters that immediately jumped into action and initiated a post card and online petition campaign to encourage him to include facial justice in his stump speech. He responded 7 days later by doing so.

Black Lives Matter-Boston has significant grievances to their meeting with Clinton.

Reflect on that.

But yes we shoukd all listen to the criticism.

It's late... No biggie.

1)They weren't shouting in her face and deliberately embarrassing her

2)Sanders being the first, Clinton supporters used it as a convenient way to portray Sanders in a more negative manner as particularly racially insensitive.

I disagree that she is responsible for Bill and Biden's policies, but they are entitled to feel that way. And I welcome them making pols and voters take notice.

The activists have made it clear that they are looking for specific proposals from candidates for racial justice. I expected that there would be discussion of what policies from HRC would be forthcoming. I'm happy this discussion is happing in the election. Usually racism gets back-burnered.

carries herself in cabinet meetings, or throughout her working life. Not all issues will be stated, addressed or resolved in an impromptu, 15 minute meeting. She is certainly very open to dialog.

When her staffer cut off her response to the BLM rep when he asked her for heart felt reflection, did you not see the startled and sharp glance she threw at the staffer.

THAT, to me, was the most callous moment. That oaf disrespected BLM, and he disrepected Hillary Clinton. (I would stick that guy behind a desk.)

Assertions to the contrary, she is not Cersei Lannister.

I expect they will continue to press the candidates.
I'm going to vote for HRC iny primary but here's what I think of the concerns of black activists. They are correct. The policies of GOP have been devastating to black lives but democrats have not fulfilled the promises made to black voters. Democrats have not stood up strongly enough for black lives or there wouldn't be such disparities between white and black lives in this country. This is about racism, not economics. Bernie has been in the government for decades and exactly what has he accomplished with all his time as a voting member if Congress. I don't see a lot of real life change. And same with Hillary. Although she seems more capable if getting something done. But honestly how has voting dem benefitted black folks.
So I'm a dem, I'm going to vote dem. But I don't see why black folks should feel friendly or grateful for Bernie or HRC. Where has it gotten them. If people get all whiney and upset because some black folks were rude to a politician so the fuck what. Black folks can't fix the problem of white racism by being polite.

#BLM is going to hold feet to the fire. Fine, bring it on!

Hillary can handle it, she can craft a plan of action, issue course corrections as needed, and We, The People will--all of us-- be better for it at the end of the day. And if she's coming up short, she needs to work on that.

Look, you can like a candidate and you can also understand that yes, indeedy, BLACK LIVES MATTER.

We've got to fix this. 1865 was a LONG time ago, and we haven't lived up to our promise as a nation.


Not sure what the is about--we need to get to work. No point in being defensive and whiney--let's get going.

Should be the reaction of all our candidates supporters.

Well said, work needs to be done.