2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie:Let me tell you something no other candidate for president will tell you:Real Clear Politics
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/19/bernie_sanders_let_me_tell_you_something_no_other_candidate_for_president_will_tell_you.htmlNot up at YouTube yet, over 4 million hits at facebook...This could be the most important statement of this election...worth one minute of your time to listen to.......here it is written out...
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BERNIE SANDERS: And now let me tell you something that no other candidate fot president will tell you.
And that is no matter who is elected to be president, that person will not be able to address the enormous problems facing the working families of our country.
They will not be able to suceed becuase the power of corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of campaign donors is so great that no president alone can stand up to them.
That is the truth. People may be uncomfortable about hearing it, but that is the reality. And that is why what this campaign is about is saying loudly and clearly: It is not just about elected Bernie Sanders for president, it is about creating a grassroots political movement in this country.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)and those trying to campaign against him keep asking how he'll accomplish things in the WH.
It seems like listening is a skill we all need to grow.
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)Even if Bernie does not win the primary, I hope that this becomes very important in this election..something that will be asked of all the candidates in both parties...But.....you know what?
I don't think the corporate media will allow this question to be asked around...and you know why?...The corporate media is part of the problem, but we know that because we have listened to many others who have said it before us.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)fulfilling the status quo agenda. She is after all an originating advocate of globalism (circa 1969) - what we call globalization today.
Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread, Stuart G.
ananda
(28,877 posts)But without a president like Sanders, the grass roots would have
to be extremely large and determined.
With Sanders, the grass roots could make a difference so much
more easily and quickly.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)kacekwl
(7,022 posts)but if this message needs to be widely distributed to the masses. Word of mouth is great but not enough. As much as I hate trolls it seems very effective on places like Facebook and the like. I don't do Facebook but at times while browsing my wife's account all I read is right wing nonsense.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)We need not only to elect a POTUS that will stand with the people but also the Reps and Sens to go along with him. This is the only way we keep our Democracy safe from predators who can buy Congressmen on the cheap.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)We have to stand up to the status quo of corporate controlled government.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)That bit of brutal honesty from Sanders really ought to be the focus of more discussion. More importantly, it ought to motivate people to take action.
This article that I read 7 years ago still rings true.
Bernard Chazelle writes, "There is palpable excitement out there on the left. A pity there is no there there. America has lefties but no left."
I'm much more sympathetic to lesser evil voting than I used to be. In part because of a compelling case made by Julio Huato here and here. And because the Republican Party has gone completely off the rails. That said, it would be a real shame if Clinton is the nominee. She's highly objectionable.
But, as the Chazelle quote implies, lefties haven't laid the groundwork for someone like Sanders (or Kucinich before him) to become POTUS. Every 4 (or 8) years lefties (at least those who don't just vote Green) get excited about the most leftish Democrat in the race. However, it's clear that not nearly enough work has gone into establishing a climate that is ripe for such a candidate to be viable. You attend a rally, you post on a message board how great you think the candidate is, you get yourself so worked up that you actually think the (relatively) radical candidate can win...newsflash, the groundwork hasn't been laid. You can't just will the environment into being; you have to create it. And accept that it will likely take a long time--multiple generations.
This lack of a persistent effort to create an organized Left, combined with impatience (expecting monumental and instantaneous change without the hard work and necessary disruptions of the social order), means Dems must settle for the likes of Clinton. Sorry to be the messenger of sad tidings.
As Julio Huato wrote, "Meanwhile, Stan and everybody else need to do more basic organizing work. This is not exclusive of what Stan is proposing. I mean, not entirely exclusive. Ideally, to use the old terms, our strategy should capitalize on our propaganda (emphasis on the commonality of interests of working people, broadly defined) and our tactics should capitalize on our agitation (a campaign against the concrete miseries of the crisis, wars, etc.). At this point, clearly, the radical left does not have a unified and coherent strategy. But people start where they may.
I'll finish with a few words on the latter. Picking up on some of the ideas I threw out in my essay on the Democrats and listening to others who know better, I believe that the greatest promise lies, not in national struggles (where, IMO, one way or another, we'll be operating within the strictures imposed by the system), but in smaller scale local battles. Let's go local. Let's work seriously to take over PTAs, unions, municipal governments -- entities charged with managing resources for specific public purposes, even if those resources are meager and shrinking. Let's go after them. If we think we can change the system within our lifetimes, then this certainly will feel like small change. What I envision is taking over a town and turning it around. To the extent possible, converting that town into a small, democratically managed, proto-socialist island. Let's show the world and ourselves how the left can help people manage (and manage well) their public affairs at a local level. Let's go wherever the fruit hangs lowest. That is the kind of work that, sooner than we think, will ripen things at the national level. When things come to a head then, we will know that the time to switch away from the Democrats has arrived."
In the meantime, national politics is not going to be a vehicle for systemic change. I might vote in the 2016 presidential election. I might not. Regardless, I'm not going to expend much energy on it, that's for sure. And expecting Sanders to win is almost as ridiculous as thinking Trump will be the Republican nominee. Does that mean you're obligated to vote for the Dem nominee? No. But if you want better, guess what? You're going to have to work for it. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. Not just when the next election cycle rolls around.
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)Even if Bernie does not win the primary, I hope that this becomes very important in this election..something that must be asked of all the candidates in both parties...
..I don't think that the corporate media will do it. But in debates it can be asked, over and over and over....Like a commercial, Winston tastes good like a cigarette should"...
How do you stand on "Citizens United".."How do you stand on billionaires funding the elections and over powering the rest of the country." Don't ever let this one go, till we win. ...
Or.."How do you plan to address the problems of the working families of America?".."Jobs overseas, stagnant income growth, not everyone covered medically, etc..whatever".. WE DEFINE THEM TO BE..