"Would this post get more support from Republicans or Democrats?"

Then act accordingly.

Won't be taken though, unfortunately.

It's disgraceful that it was allowed to happen.

and should recognize the error of his ways, and rectify it. You can give him the long list of those you want purged.

Or you could just find a site that's more amenable with administrators you have some respect for.

And because it's been hijacked ....I spend less and less time here. Go back and see how many Hillary supporters were here back in the spring compared to now...most now choose either to stay away or stay out of GDP.

The good news is, the folks driven away are still going to vote for Hillary, they just choose not to be beat to death with the BS revolution.

like Fast/Furious, ACORN, New Black Panthers, Whitewater, Travel/File"gates," has no place here

Nice straw man.

I have never seen one and I read here every day.

I don't think Hillary is such a fragile flower that she needs to be shielded from criticism. Trying to stop all criticism by labeling it hate makes me think of the "leave Brittney alone" girl.

you can see that sometimes I have to respond them, as I did in this diary.

things? My statement was that no one here has done that (though I admit I can't possibly have seen every post or diary entry).

Hillary has been criticized for many of her policies, actions, votes, etc., but I have yet to see anyone that believes any of the Benghazi bullshit or equally false narratives from when Bill was in the Whitehouse such as Travelgate. Trying to lump those right-wing non-issues in with legitimate criticism of things like her Iraq vote, support for TPP, statements re Keystone, her race baiting in the 2008 election, her flay out lying about being under Bosnian sniper files, etc etc etc. is merely a doomed effort to try to stop all criticism of her.

Edit: fixed spelling

you'll see allusions to file"gate", travel"gate" etc.

...a long negative post about Hillary Clinton that included a reference to "Bill's baggage"! WTF does "Bill's baggage" (which, incidentally, didn't stop him from getting re-elected and leaving office with one of the highest approval ratings ever - HIGHER THAN REAGAN'S) have to do with Hillary Clinton running for President? Nothing, but it gives some an opportunity to take another gratuitous swipe at her.

There's another one, "Fact check: Hillary Clinton’s email brag" that all but calls her a liar.

Another long one, "Why I do not Support Hillary Clinton".

These are just a sampling of posts ON THIS "DEMOCRATIC Underground" site! It's a lot worse elsewhere.

So, if you're still not aware of "Hillary-hate", I suggest you read some of the recent posts here to get an inkling of what some will do to try to damage here candidacy.

!!!

Your OP was MAGNIFICENT! George II's point is spot-on, too. Ever since the 90s when America first met the Clintons - and Hillary ESPECIALLY, Holy Freakin' Cannoli! In my six decades I have NEVER seen a political couple treated as though they had such big and never-ending targets on their backs. Astounding disrespect. It's really kind of bewildering. I didn't understand it in 1992. And I still don't understand it in 2015. People were rough on Jimmy Carter, too. And they're pretty damn shitty to President Obama. But CRIMINY! I don't know what it is about the Clintons that draws such fire. It's just nonstop. For Pete's sake, they're OURS. They're Democrats. WE should be the last ones to throw stones and brickbats.

Especially when you consider (really, you have to consider) that every republi-CON regime we've had to suffer through produced so many more nightmares, so many more scandals, so many more misdeeds - and they all virtually got away scott free. With impunity. Never had to pay for any of it (except bush 1 didn't get a second term, at least). Look at reagan. bush 1. Hell, look at bush 2. Look at nixon! And compared to the aforementioned "unholy three," even nixon looks fairly redeemable by now. NEVER thought I'd say that - or believe it.

The GOP never fails to circle the wagons. Why don't WE ever do that?

The Clintons as "Democratic Heroes"? Gimme a break.

The last paragraph of that post reads as star struck as anything that comes out of the drooling mouth of Chris Matthews.

only now he's fair, tho I do give him credit for rehabilitating his mouth.

Yes, heroes as in the people who gave us the electoral votes of these "blue states" we take for granted, ending the GOP landslides that occurred from 1968-1988, making us nationally viable again for the presidency, and building a bridge to the 21st century, as well as putting people first and reforming welfare in order to make it a second chance, not a way of life.

But then, so is most of Hillary's policies.

because it allowed Bill Clinton to win and turn those states that Dems had lost from 1968-1988 at least 4 times (most of them 5 and 6) such as CA(!), IL, MI, NJ, DE, MD, PA, VT (!!), NH, ME, CT, and NM, all of which add up today to 161 electoral votes. We've won all of these states 6 for 6 (except NH and NM 5 for 6 but I'll take it) since Bill Clinton, who campaigned on it in 1992, delivered in 1996.

Remember "welfare queens in pink cadillacs?" Reagan used it very effectively, Nixon had played off it, and Bush Sr. used it too, along with Willie Horton to eat Dukakis for lunch. Was welfare reform perfect? No it wasn't, but it wasn't all bad. Why is no one seeking to repeal it?

but who woulda not only stayed in poverty had Bush Sr. been re-elected, followed by President Dan Quayle, but welfare reform woulda been much worse.

one of the things grievously wrong with America today is Bill Clinton's welfare reform. If you don't believe me, just ask BLM.

The Third Way is certainly doing its best to make that a reality.

yeah, fuck that shit. I'm guessing that you weren't personally effected by Clinton's shit welfare reform. Go spend your time at DK if you don't like it here.

Sounds like you are backing the right candidate.

nt

for millions

And there's no fucking law that all democrats must love and revere the Clintons. I don't. I detest the third way triangulating that he poisoned the party with, and I find their corporate crap unconscionable.

a way of life! you forgot the k in your screen name there erick.you're welcome.

and things he used in ads, which helped Dems win electoral votes in states we take for granted as blue today, but once voted Republican. Vermont was included in that set. It voted 6 for 6 GOP before the Clintons, 6 for 6 Dems since the Clintons.

passed? That is like using Shrub's opinion of the need to invade Iraq to prove that we need to invade Iraq.

"Winning" by abandoning your values and taking up the policies of Republicans in order to get elected is not winning at all, unless you are a Republican to start with.

were forbidden at DU.No more.

never to be used against potential nominees, like Hillary, ever.

as acceptible. Having said that, I think most DUers can sort through the garbage themselves.

As for what DK does, that is definitely not a model of what DU ought to be doing. DU has always been a far superior forum for LIBERALS. For the Third Way/Former Republicans DK can depend on the owner of the blog to make sure Liberals are 'rightly admonished' in public, for 'being Liberals'. This OP made me laugh, frankly.

who makes a strong case against nominating someone unelectable.

Also, from the "About" section:

Democratic Underground is an online community where politically liberal people can do their part to effect political and social change by:

Interacting with friendly, like-minded people;
Sharing news and information, free from the corporate media filter;
Participating in lively, thought-provoking discussions;
Helping elect more Democrats to political office at all levels of American government; and
Having fun!

You can turn this FROM being a META OP into a lively discussion by posting links to these 'Hillary hate' OPs you claim to have seen.

We can then have a actual lively discussion as to whether they are OPs on ISSUES where Hillary doesn't come across too well due to facts about her record on the issues, or are actual 'hate' for a political candidate?

Hate OPs are not tolerated on this forum and never were. So if some have escaped being removed, then post the links so they can be removed.

due being openly Gay. So both were considered to be un-electable making the point even stronger, thanks for the correction.

So was Obama and a whole host of other 'unelectables' who somehow became electable. There is no more ridiculous claim than to say that someone who HAS been elected multiple times, is unelectable. Even my kdg students would see the problem with that claim.

In fact, Bernie has won more elections than Hillary, which using the 'unelectable' logic, means he is more electable than Hillary.

and the only one to vote McGovern. I know, you know, and Barney Frank knows he woulda had a tough time getting a plurality or majority of national voters and 270+ electoral votes.

Bernie Sanders also got elected in a state, which since 1992, has huge massive D margins that don't represent the electoral votes you actually need to fight for, or that you can't quite take for granted. Hell, VT almost went Dukakis in 1988. Bill Clinton got the most votes in the entire country in his elections, and Hillary's ability to do well in upstate NY, which is much more conservative than either downstate NY or anywhere in Vermont, is testament to Clinton excellence, not to mention she had to fight carpetbagging allegations.

Don't play stupid here.

99th Monkey's link to DK below. You need to correct your claim which falsely implied that the admins of this site allow 'hate' OPs that are not allowed on DK.

If you wish to have any credibility here, you should add a correction to your OP as most DUers do when they have made baseless claims and are corrected.

DK certainly has allowed diaries on the Private Prison issue AND on the email issue.

Alas, he can't get out of the teens in national polls and falls back to single digits in South Carolina.

He was in a glass closet. No one gave a shit. He ran and was elected to go to the House, anyway. He even got caught with an 'escort' who was living w/him and running his business out of Barney's digs in DC (HUGE scandal), and his district STILL re-elected him. When he finally came out, it was like the "Your winnings, sir" scene in Casablanca. Zzzzzzzz. So what? Shocked, shocked....zzzzz.

Anyone who serves in the House is going to have to stand for election every couple of years, but incumbents have to really fuck up to lose. Keeping that VT seat, serving six hundred thousand people (fewer than live in the city of Boston) isn't hard if your constituent services are even marginal. And since there are so few people in VT, it's not like the Senators have a different constituency than the lone rep.

When it came time for him to run for the Senate, he didn't turn down that HILLLPAC money, did he?

The people of the USA, though, are not like the people of VT.

He's going to have to broaden his appeal and I have yet to see that happen.

They are carrying stories about her email.

which cannot be used to give the GOP ammo.

Awesome post ericson00

people like you are what helps keep the party alive!

it does not allow. This OP should now make a correction, see links in this thread eg.

The OP claims that the administration of this forum allows 'Hillary Hate' on its forum. That too is false, until the OP responds to requests for proof of that claim.

proves to me that it desperately needs to be said.

Why would anyone take offense at a post regarding the sliming of one of our candidates that occurs here on a daily basis?

If you want proof, read the board. A link will be a call out.

So I take it you agree that the Administrators of this site encourage 'hate' on this forum then???

And you think that this 'needs to be said'??

Okay, glad you cleared that up.

the fact that so many seem upset by them prove they need to be posted

familiar with the history of that forum especially wrt Liberals.

But yes, it is META, however I have no objection to people seeing what passes for political discussion when it should be focused on issues. Sometimes that helps to sort out the OPs that are ON the issues, not on such trivia as what other blogs are doing to censure that very discussion.

And you did not post any examples of this 'Hillary Hate', so right off the bat, there is nothing here to even discuss, especially since you used DK as a model for your point.

but you can find them very easily, I promise you.

How our primary goes IS an issue. Sites like this heavily influence discourse, caucus goers, stuff that clearly the blogs can move.

has lost all credibility except in the eyes of the most enthusiastic--and increasingly desperate--Sanders supporters. What is said here matters less and less to more and more.

and its administration which is clearly META and I don't know why it has not been locked to be honest.

it will be alerted as a call out.

The OP is totally false, period. DK has dozens of diaries on both the Private Prison issue AND the email controversy.

A quick google reveals all these diaries on the email controversy eg:

https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&q=trashbilling.com&oq=trashbilling.com&gs_l=serp.12..0j0i30.2241294.2261273.15.2264696.18.13.0.0.0.0.2803.4664.8-1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.32.serp..239.40.85390.hSMui28CXlY&psj=1&biw=1360&bih=667&cad=cbv&sei=n-XmUp-fDOONygGt2oDQAg#q=Daily+Kos+Hillary+Clinton+Email+controversy

And links have already been provided to DK diaries on Private Prisons, so the OP is totally false

I can see the mouth foam of people here time to time tho

Not at all "cooked-up." Please stop trying to mislead people with falsehoods.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/

Prison lobbyists work as fundraising bundlers for Hillary. This is established fact. Maggie D did nothing to 'debunk' this, she just tried to rationalize it.

It amazes me what people think is effective rebuttal.

Sorry, but you need to join Maggie D on the ignore list. It's clear you are not arguing in good faith, just deflecting.

/bye.

omfg.

all that thread did was mischaracterize Glenn Greenwald!!

MaggieD's posts are of high quality and consistent with Democratic Party principles

You attack people con brio and with abandon, including calling Sanders supporter cultists and berniebots.

7-0 isn't even close.

Are the same ones doing most of the attacking, name calling and posting shady OPs.

Coincidence?

Not my alert but 7 to 0 is very clear.

Looks like more and more people are getting fed up with bad behavior.

He's probably the best person to tell you what he will or will not allow on his blog. Why would anyone here know?

Hillary Clinton has called, tepidly, for an end to mass incarceration, in vague terms, without policy details.

But how likely is she to act with any boldness to actually deal with the problem when her financial backers are the evil corporations that benefit from mass incarceration?:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton#

nt

posted on their site. See link above. Using the logic of the OP that is.


This OP is META and without a single fact to prove there is any 'hillary hate' OPs on this site. It is complaining about DU and putting forth a false claim against the admins. who do not allow 'hate' on this site, as implied by the OP.

Well said. K&R

People on a political forum examine the qualifications of political candidates.

Shameful.

Perhaps our energies would be more acceptable if we only discussed begonias or biscuit recipes.

criticism and makes one become suspicious of their motives.

I know some don't like to hear the term Hillary hate but there is Hillary hate on this site.

Valid criticism=useful.

Made up bullshit=aid and comfort for Jeb.

Have you seen his numbers? God help us.

I don't think the Republican party elders will allow it. He made a total ass of himself when he visited the border, and even R women hate him. They're using him for a warmup band. When the crunch comes, the selling point will be, "Hey, folks, here's someone just as conservative, but he's (at least marginally) sane."

because he does seem to consistently defy the media, political norms, and Jeb and Walker are tanking. He does seem to be a natural campaigner if you saw him in Iowa. His numbers keep going up, and in a two way race against Jeb alone in a state like NC, Trump wins.

Yea the elders could prevent him if he gets a plurality of delegates but not an absolute majority. But given Trump's desire for fame, if Trump is the reason Cruz gets the nod, he'll have been even bigger and more important than he was as just a billionaire real estate scion.

including possible ties to organized crime. I think that if he becomes a serious threat to Jeb, he'll be invited to a polite little meeting and the evidence laid out and a time limit set. Trump will suddenly discover a pressing need to "spend more time with his family," or his hair.

Can you imagine him in a debate with Hillary? She'd chew him to pieces, spit him out and do some flamenco footwork on the remains.

a lotta pols could have them in their closets. The rump mafia still lurks in construction, sanitation (both of which are either state apparatuses or often work with it), and others. Trump wouldn't hesitate to do the same to Jeb.

I think he'd do better in a debate than Jeb. I mean look at Jeb, guy can't help himself. I don't wanna believe America is dumb enough to elect Trump either, but reality is starting to say otherwise.

We now have the Russian mob, though, the arms smugglers and human traffickers, among others.

* Hillary's use of racist dog whistles against Obama in the 2008 campaign?
* Her stance against same-sex marriages up through 2013
* Her support of the TPP as SoS
* Her refusal to state her position on Keystone until she is elected President
* Taking advice from Henry Fucking Kissenger while SoS
* Lying about being under Bosnian sniper fire
* Her refusal to support a $15 minimum wage
* Her massive fundraising from Citibank, Goldman Sachs, etc.

Thanks in advance for sorting this all out.

And stop lecturing me please.

who've spent their lives and careers putting people first in America and around the world.

Are themselves.

That line should precede every post as an "Click to Agree" condition before anything gets passed on. If it were added to the Alert complaints, I suspect this forum would look more like a place for Democratic ideals, and less about warmed over GOP talking points and opposition attack tactics.

Sometimes this place looks like freaking Newsmax.

Seriously, if you're going to post about DailyKos you should at least KNOW SOMETHING about DailyKos.

I read the frontpage and the top recommended from there every SINGLE DAY. I love DU, but the writing level and investigative journalistic quality on Kos far outpace what is happening here. Here has become about 90% a collection of links to outside writers.

It most certainly is.

Clearly he's earned his cred.

that could've been after Reagan/Bush I. Our party is only dominant in presidential politics since 1992, winning the most votes in 5 of the 6 elections, and the electoral vote 4 out of 6 times. In the 24 years before the Clintons won in 1992, Dems had one election victory in six contests. If redeeming us isn't heroism worthy of honour, IDK what is.

No thanks.

just curious

Its a cookie cutter republican manufactured "controversy" that would be treated as the utter bullshit it is here if not for the primary ...

Your pizza time is coming. It is easier to hide when there is so much noise and infighting from the primary season.

be careful erickson00 your time is coming.

Next time someone declares there's no alert-stalking, your post will be evidence that it does indeed happen.

it would be for everyone's own good

anyone who doesn't see the problem with that statement, I don't know what I could tell them

gonna tell them all to leave too? Hillary also still has commanding leads against other candidates in the primary, and has a HUGE endorsement advantage she didn't have in 2007-08. Gonna tell them to leave the party or go to thirdway.org too?

how scientific are they?

The scientific polls out there still not only have her winning against every Republican, but with a huge margin over Bernie and the rest in the primary.

Do a search.

unlike people asking me to call out posts/diaries