Biz as usual in the political machine.
it's lame, but worse is the slow poison it breeds between eachother.

It goes to her lack of judgment, lack of transparency, predilection for secrecy and dishonesty.

Taking personal control of government business.

Hillary's email should be a non-issue. I say this as a Bernie Sanders supporter.

We should have learned by now that the sleaze bag Republicans make a mountain out of a molehill every time they try to pin some sort of scandal on Hillary. Even when Republicans do the exact same thing they accuse Hillary of.

Colin Powell, when he was Secretary of State, used private email to do government business. And John Ellis Bush as governor of Florida used private emails. There was plenty of information about this published months ago. What a short memory the public has.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hillary-clinton-email-colin-powell-double-standard

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/08/republican-colin-powell-deals-death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870.html

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/11/two-names-the-press-omits-from-email-coverage-c/202847

All of the Bush White House staff were using personal computers and e-mail for official business they didn't want records of.

It's the same goddamned thing.

And it comes down to poor judgement. Hillary knew better. And if she didn't, she should have.

One is a World Class LIAR....., and the other is Jeb Bush.


Colin Powell began LYING in public to cover up the My Lai massacre in VietNam,
lied BALD FACED to the World about WMD in Iraq at the UN.
IF he is capable of the above LIES, one of which killed over a MILLION innocent people,
he has no limits,and I have less than ZERO respect for that man.

I would trust Gen Clapper (the General who lied outright to Wyden in a Senate Hearing under oath)
before I would trust Colin Powell about ANYTHING.

With SECRET, you can wonder "should this be classified?". With TS/SCI, you are wondering "How high should this be classified?". There's a very, very, very, very tiny space where you can stumble into "Wait...that was TS/SCI?!?!"

As a result, there will be an investigation. There will be Congressional hearings. This will be something that hangs around for this entire election cycle. Most likely, the only punishment Clinton could face is the loss of her clearance, which she doesn't have anymore. So she probably won't go to jail. But the investigation will be prominent for a long time.

And that's just the national security angle.

There's also the poor judgement/penchant for secrecy angle with someone who is already not well trusted by the electorate. And the excellent fodder for attack ads angle. And the horrible "drip...drip...drip" handling of it.

It by no means is Clinton's doom. But it will be a big problem for her to deal with.

Here's why. She apparently held back or deleted many "personal emails". Don't you think that foreign governments, friend or foe, would be very interested in the private life, thoughts, and worries of the Secretary of State? If it's too private for the FBI to read then it's too private for foreign governments to read. Because there is a high likelihood they did read them. This is a problem. It says a lot about her temperament, and judgment.

She keeps shifting her reason for why she did it—it's moved from "it was too much trouble to have two email servers"-- to "there was nothing confidential on it". Why keep shifting the excuse? Every level of it is a problem for an SoS.

Everything is confidential for an SoS.

The FBI is under the wing of President Obama's Department of Justice. They don't investigate because some Fox News reporter asks them to, or talks about bad things on the air.

The FBI investigates possible CRIMES. Are you aware of other things the FBI investigates? I'm not aware of anything the FBI investigates but CRIMES.

This has gone way beyond emails so you can stop the bullshit deflection. No one here is stupid, no matter how many times you click your heels together and wish they were. This is now about the possible mishandling of classified information, possibly state secrets, and a probable cover-up.

Hillary Clinton may yet be exonerated and if she is, GOOD ON HER. But please stop the bullshit deflection and trying to shame people with your silly comments like "Be serious. You're really concerned about emails?" because everyone here, even you, knows it's not that simple any longer and it's not a right-wing witch hunt when the President's DoJ directs the FBI to investigate possible crimes.

we're NEVER GONNA STOP hearing about this. I have no patience for scandals. I really appreciate it when politicians conduct themselves in such a way as to avoid scandals.

They don't win anyone over by bullying people and calling them right wing. Especially so when done to people known to be to the left for a decade or more. The other thing is that many people thus treated then write more - pointing out more problems in HRC's actions. Not to mention it makes the thread really long and thus often near the top of the threads. (Remember when one good response and then "let it drop" was good advise for some obnoxious threads.)

I always thought that the reason to make a case for someone or something was that there could be people not yet decided reading. I can think of only one person who posted a lot, who made a radical change from supporting to rejecting one politician and the opposite way for another. Here, if I were a Democrat who stumbled on this forum, I would likely go away less likely to back HRC after reading any of the email threads.

One observation is that it is not just people on a message board, but the HRC surrogates who are using the strategy of listing bad attacks as the way to discredit things that are real.

Throw in a "lame" and a "boring" and you got yourself a debate classic!

The FBI is involved, and they're smart enough (in fact most of them are probably smarter than anyone in my social circle) to know the FBI doesn't get involved because some Fox News reporter says something on-air.

They KNOW the FBI only gets involved in anything when there's a possibility a crime has been committed. They know it's about possible mishandling of classified information, possibly state secrets, and a possible cover-up. No matter how many times they click their heels together and wish it would disappear from DU forums, they know it won't, so they are reduced to lecturing others about witch hunts and rw conspiracy theories in the hope they can shame this mess (created by Hillary Clinton herself) off the boards.

Ain't happenin'.

"Let's bash Clinton and while we're at it as many Clinton supporters on DU as we can" posts.

Thanks!

the net. She created this mess for herself.

anyhow. The FBI will most likely find nothing but that will mean nothing to the Rs.

She personally deleted personal items from the computer instead of having the government do it for her. The Rs are never going to believe that it was personal emails she deleted. They are going to push this like the did Benghazi until they have half the country believing it.

This issue is going to be her swift boat issue. And they will find other half truths and turn them into Hillary's cross.

It's about us wondering if we haven't turned a corner. Are we or aren't we at a point in time wherein we won't have to waste time and good will due to unforced errors on the part of a HRC administration?

Benghazi bullshit might help some Republicans with their base but it ultimately hurts their party as a whole. Self identified moderates in the media have ruled against the Republicans on that.

As to the e-mails, these same types are shaking their heads and grimacing. Not good for Secretary Clinton, and not good for us if more unforced errors like this would be coming our way with HRC's team in the White House.

If her top people don't get that, get some new top people. I think the problem is systemic, and it's part of why I'm supporting Senator Sanders.

The fact that you think some right-wing attacks are "real" doesn't make them any less right-wing.