2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Just Got More Awful Poll News — And There's Now An Opening For Joe Biden
Aug. 20, 2015, 8:45 AM
A new series of Quinnipiac University polls released Thursday provided more troubling news for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and suggested an opening for Vice President Joe Biden, should he decide to enter the presidential fray.
Biden is running about equal or better with Clinton in head-to-head matchups with potential Republican challengers in the key swing states of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. And his underlying numbers could put him in better position than Clinton heading into the general election.
Should Biden enter the race, his supporters will likely point to numbers like these to argue that the party would be better served with Biden as its nominee.
Clinton and real-estate magnate Donald Trump lead their respective primaries in the three swing states. But they're also the candidates with the worst favorability ratings, and the ones who are viewed as the least honest and trustworthy.
"Biden, who is spending his time in seclusion, contemplating whether to take on Secretary Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries for president, has some new information to consider," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-biden-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-jeb-bush-2015-8#ixzz3jO18Ty1B
Cherry Creek Native
(55 posts)He's not running... Forget it, Jack.
Time to move Biden's numbers to Bernie's side and you'd get a virtual tie, meaning Clinton's numbers are continuing to drop.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)He has no ground game, he hasn't been out fundraising, there are no boots on the ground in Iowa. He's not running. I wish these pollsters would stop including him. It skews the results.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)This is REALLY late in the game if you are serious about it for the reason you noted.
still_one
(92,372 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)If that's what it comes to we may as well fold our tents up and go home now.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)He likes to talk, to debate, and I just wonder if he'd join Sanders and O'Malley in the call for more debates.
It's a litmus test for me, if a candidate doesn't call for more discourse, they don't have my support in the primaries.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And then refer to a shitload of polls that show her leading Sanders by 128%.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rubio +12 over Clinton in Florida?? Bush +11??
Laughable.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)After all he is also a Democrat last I heard.
But feel free to pull some other poll out of your whatever and we can play this dueling polls game all frickin day.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Now ask yourself, who stands to gain the most if Clinton is bashed?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)smears, no matter the source of the opinion or smear, takes Hillary down that will be good for America because....reasons....did I mention also short-sighted?
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But I'm pretty sure you're going to pretend to ignore that and simply accuse me of Clinton bashing so I won't attempt to explain it to you.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Now, quickly, did you check the poll to see if Sanders did better with those numbers? Here is a hint; he did not.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)You know, the Republican Tsunami. Most companies adjust their screens to account for the increased turnout in GE years, but Q has decided, at this time, that the tsunami will continue unabated in 2016.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)in Democratic Party enthusiasm....but those with tunnel vision won't let facts get in the way of the glee of too many on of DU losing the WH to fascist Trump....the level of logical thinking that kind of glee involves is frightening.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)be it opinions,polls,photos,editorials,videos,graphics,news articles.....are directly sourced from frothing Right Wing websites. We are incapable of critical thinking so we just follow the status quo talking points of the media selected candidates. Hillary will triumph in the end because she's a fighter for the middle class who's walked through fire and is the only one who can win the GE against the big bad Republicans. When does the next Anti Bernie meme start? This one's as old as HRC's economic policies...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)of Bernie.
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Biden, Warren, Tim Caine who can step up to the task of running. O'Malley is still in the race, if you are thinking Hillary dropping out of the race is going to open the race in favor of Bernie, it will not. Bernie will not be the DNC nominee.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You're not going to fight Trump with a generic politician.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)I'd prefer Sanders but if Warren were to get in I'd be overjoyed.
Cherry Creek Native
(55 posts)Who the fuck is Tim Caine? If you are refering to Tim Kaine - he's a horrible campaigner and wasn't a successful DNC chairman.
brooklynite
(94,716 posts)He has no financial backers...he has no political backers...he's further behind Clinton than Sanders is.
He's going out at the height of his career; why take the risk?
ericson00
(2,707 posts)because undeclared candidates don't have to be in the fray.
But non-sarcastically, it is pretty pathetic how Biden is STILL way behind in the primary. Even after the press pot stir of the last 8 weeks and asshat "journalists" like Chris Cillizza and Maureen Doody.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)but the wimpy Clintons are afraid of him anyway.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)but his heart clearly is not in it if he isn't in already, and he has no infrastructure, fund raising to this point ...
I want to think that is enough to keep him from the impulse, to whatever extent it is there.
But, he isn't going anywhere if he comes in now.
askew
(1,464 posts)To me, that is a clear sign that Biden is going to run.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)and go back to fluffing RT.
Otherwise it's a bit unseemly, doncha think?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)It's all good...
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I thought that your constant citing of RT was because it was the antidote to Western corporate media.
So you're on a vacation from stridency and decided to give Kevin P. Ryan a few clicks?
How egalitarian!
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)interest.
When Ukraine blows again, I'll post on it.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)That'll be interesting.
ismnotwasm
(41,999 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Seriously?
I am a Bernie supporter and these numbers worry me.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I don't see Biden affecting Bernie. It'll split the HC vote.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but that chart does demonstrate a problem. (assuming other polls substantiate the data)
Turnout will be an issue if her favorability is really that low.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Joe is an awesome person, and would be a disastrous nominee.