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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:46 PM Aug 2015

Hillary Clinton Just Got More Awful Poll News — And There's Now An Opening For Joe Biden

Aug. 20, 2015, 8:45 AM

A new series of Quinnipiac University polls released Thursday provided more troubling news for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — and suggested an opening for Vice President Joe Biden, should he decide to enter the presidential fray.

Biden is running about equal or better with Clinton in head-to-head matchups with potential Republican challengers in the key swing states of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. And his underlying numbers could put him in better position than Clinton heading into the general election.

Should Biden enter the race, his supporters will likely point to numbers like these to argue that the party would be better served with Biden as its nominee.

Clinton and real-estate magnate Donald Trump lead their respective primaries in the three swing states. But they're also the candidates with the worst favorability ratings, and the ones who are viewed as the least honest and trustworthy.

"Biden, who is spending his time in seclusion, contemplating whether to take on Secretary Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries for president, has some new information to consider," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-biden-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-jeb-bush-2015-8#ixzz3jO18Ty1B

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Hillary Clinton Just Got More Awful Poll News — And There's Now An Opening For Joe Biden (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2015 OP
Biden had a long time to decide Cherry Creek Native Aug 2015 #1
Yep beltanefauve Aug 2015 #11
Right - his heart can't really be in it Cosmocat Aug 2015 #40
At least this isn't posted as LBN still_one Aug 2015 #2
Biden would be like Mondale stepping in for Wellstone ibegurpard Aug 2015 #3
I want to think that Biden would support more debates... HappyPlace Aug 2015 #4
Cue the Clinton supporters to tell us that Quinnipac is not a "real" poll in 5,4,3,... tularetom Aug 2015 #5
You good with the unprecedented over sampling of Republicans....that is your call. The CNN poll is interesting. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #6
How does the "over sampling of Republicans" explain that Biden is out polling Clinton in PA, FLA, OH tularetom Aug 2015 #18
Answered: you do not care at all about the over sampling. Clinton-bashing is the priority! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #22
DU is now synonymous for Clinton bashing randys1 Aug 2015 #26
Apparently a lot of folk are under the delusion or illusion of self-delusion that if any one of these Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #29
You're right oversampling has no effect on Biden's superior ratings over Clinton in those polls tularetom Aug 2015 #37
Sure, a 58% to 42% ratio of Republicans vs Democrats is a good bet in Florida Godhumor Aug 2015 #9
Wow. I did not know the over sampling of Republicans was that huge! What is the pollster's explanation? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #15
From a number of analysts, it looks like Q is using voter screens based off the 2014 Mid-term Godhumor Aug 2015 #24
The pollster's assumption is directly contradicted by the CNN polling, including the huge shift Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #25
Uh-oh! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #7
Haha... Awesome! whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #14
Bernie supporter, yes? Sad. Is the picture from a RW site? Post an OP commenting on your glee! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #16
I don't know. But, it seems apt considering Hillary's burn out. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #17
Yes, Fred. Everything that any Sanders supporters post Indepatriot Aug 2015 #28
Incapable of recognizing sarcasm without an emoji, you forgot that group self-description. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #30
Do not see a lot of genuine from DU'ers anti-Bernie themes around, and there will be no glee if there is a smear takedown Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #19
Just to put everyone at ease, if Hillary should drop out of the race there is other candidates such Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #8
all would be disastrous ibegurpard Aug 2015 #13
A generic politican is why Bernie will not be the nominee. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #23
It would be a step in the right direction just to have Clinton out no matter who the replacement is tularetom Aug 2015 #20
Biden's not running, Warren's not running. Cherry Creek Native Aug 2015 #21
But he won't be running... brooklynite Aug 2015 #10
O Biden will win in 2016 like Colin Powell won in 1996 ericson00 Aug 2015 #32
Biden is not going to run tularetom Aug 2015 #33
he may or may not run Cosmocat Aug 2015 #41
Reid just said he isn't going to endorse Hillary but wait to see what Biden does first. askew Aug 2015 #12
Interesting, interesting indeed... eom Purveyor Aug 2015 #27
Perhaps you should stop fluffing Business Insider, OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #34
I 'fluff' (whatever that means) as I see fit... Purveyor Aug 2015 #35
Better'n good! It's extraordinary! OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #39
I only have so much time and tend to cover the topics of current Purveyor Aug 2015 #42
From Business Insider? OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #46
Yawn ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #36
this makes you yawn? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #44
I don't care left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #38
I don't trust Quinnipiac Polls, and it is to early for this to really matter, Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #43
Please, not Biden LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #45
 
1. Biden had a long time to decide
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:49 PM
Aug 2015

He's not running... Forget it, Jack.

Time to move Biden's numbers to Bernie's side and you'd get a virtual tie, meaning Clinton's numbers are continuing to drop.

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
11. Yep
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:13 PM
Aug 2015

He has no ground game, he hasn't been out fundraising, there are no boots on the ground in Iowa. He's not running. I wish these pollsters would stop including him. It skews the results.

Cosmocat

(14,568 posts)
40. Right - his heart can't really be in it
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:35 PM
Aug 2015

This is REALLY late in the game if you are serious about it for the reason you noted.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
3. Biden would be like Mondale stepping in for Wellstone
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:49 PM
Aug 2015

If that's what it comes to we may as well fold our tents up and go home now.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
4. I want to think that Biden would support more debates...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:50 PM
Aug 2015

He likes to talk, to debate, and I just wonder if he'd join Sanders and O'Malley in the call for more debates.

It's a litmus test for me, if a candidate doesn't call for more discourse, they don't have my support in the primaries.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
5. Cue the Clinton supporters to tell us that Quinnipac is not a "real" poll in 5,4,3,...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:53 PM
Aug 2015

And then refer to a shitload of polls that show her leading Sanders by 128%.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. You good with the unprecedented over sampling of Republicans....that is your call. The CNN poll is interesting.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:01 PM
Aug 2015

Rubio +12 over Clinton in Florida?? Bush +11??

Laughable.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
18. How does the "over sampling of Republicans" explain that Biden is out polling Clinton in PA, FLA, OH
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:35 PM
Aug 2015

After all he is also a Democrat last I heard.

But feel free to pull some other poll out of your whatever and we can play this dueling polls game all frickin day.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. DU is now synonymous for Clinton bashing
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:59 PM
Aug 2015

Now ask yourself, who stands to gain the most if Clinton is bashed?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
29. Apparently a lot of folk are under the delusion or illusion of self-delusion that if any one of these
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:45 PM
Aug 2015

smears, no matter the source of the opinion or smear, takes Hillary down that will be good for America because....reasons....did I mention also short-sighted?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
37. You're right oversampling has no effect on Biden's superior ratings over Clinton in those polls
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:01 PM
Aug 2015

But I'm pretty sure you're going to pretend to ignore that and simply accuse me of Clinton bashing so I won't attempt to explain it to you.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
9. Sure, a 58% to 42% ratio of Republicans vs Democrats is a good bet in Florida
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

Now, quickly, did you check the poll to see if Sanders did better with those numbers? Here is a hint; he did not.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. Wow. I did not know the over sampling of Republicans was that huge! What is the pollster's explanation?
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:24 PM
Aug 2015

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
24. From a number of analysts, it looks like Q is using voter screens based off the 2014 Mid-term
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:43 PM
Aug 2015

You know, the Republican Tsunami. Most companies adjust their screens to account for the increased turnout in GE years, but Q has decided, at this time, that the tsunami will continue unabated in 2016.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. The pollster's assumption is directly contradicted by the CNN polling, including the huge shift
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:46 PM
Aug 2015

in Democratic Party enthusiasm....but those with tunnel vision won't let facts get in the way of the glee of too many on of DU losing the WH to fascist Trump....the level of logical thinking that kind of glee involves is frightening.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
28. Yes, Fred. Everything that any Sanders supporters post
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:28 PM
Aug 2015

be it opinions,polls,photos,editorials,videos,graphics,news articles.....are directly sourced from frothing Right Wing websites. We are incapable of critical thinking so we just follow the status quo talking points of the media selected candidates. Hillary will triumph in the end because she's a fighter for the middle class who's walked through fire and is the only one who can win the GE against the big bad Republicans. When does the next Anti Bernie meme start? This one's as old as HRC's economic policies...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
31. Do not see a lot of genuine from DU'ers anti-Bernie themes around, and there will be no glee if there is a smear takedown
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:47 PM
Aug 2015

of Bernie.

Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #7)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. Just to put everyone at ease, if Hillary should drop out of the race there is other candidates such
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

Biden, Warren, Tim Caine who can step up to the task of running. O'Malley is still in the race, if you are thinking Hillary dropping out of the race is going to open the race in favor of Bernie, it will not. Bernie will not be the DNC nominee.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
20. It would be a step in the right direction just to have Clinton out no matter who the replacement is
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:38 PM
Aug 2015

I'd prefer Sanders but if Warren were to get in I'd be overjoyed.

 
21. Biden's not running, Warren's not running.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

Who the fuck is Tim Caine? If you are refering to Tim Kaine - he's a horrible campaigner and wasn't a successful DNC chairman.

brooklynite

(94,716 posts)
10. But he won't be running...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:11 PM
Aug 2015

He has no financial backers...he has no political backers...he's further behind Clinton than Sanders is.

He's going out at the height of his career; why take the risk?

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
32. O Biden will win in 2016 like Colin Powell won in 1996
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:49 PM
Aug 2015

because undeclared candidates don't have to be in the fray.

But non-sarcastically, it is pretty pathetic how Biden is STILL way behind in the primary. Even after the press pot stir of the last 8 weeks and asshat "journalists" like Chris Cillizza and Maureen Doody.

Cosmocat

(14,568 posts)
41. he may or may not run
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:38 PM
Aug 2015

but his heart clearly is not in it if he isn't in already, and he has no infrastructure, fund raising to this point ...

I want to think that is enough to keep him from the impulse, to whatever extent it is there.

But, he isn't going anywhere if he comes in now.

askew

(1,464 posts)
12. Reid just said he isn't going to endorse Hillary but wait to see what Biden does first.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:14 PM
Aug 2015

To me, that is a clear sign that Biden is going to run.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
34. Perhaps you should stop fluffing Business Insider,
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:44 PM
Aug 2015

and go back to fluffing RT.

Otherwise it's a bit unseemly, doncha think?

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
39. Better'n good! It's extraordinary!
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:16 PM
Aug 2015

I thought that your constant citing of RT was because it was the antidote to Western corporate media.

So you're on a vacation from stridency and decided to give Kevin P. Ryan a few clicks?

How egalitarian!

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
42. I only have so much time and tend to cover the topics of current
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:30 PM
Aug 2015

interest.

When Ukraine blows again, I'll post on it.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
43. I don't trust Quinnipiac Polls, and it is to early for this to really matter,
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:41 PM
Aug 2015

but that chart does demonstrate a problem. (assuming other polls substantiate the data)




Turnout will be an issue if her favorability is really that low.




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