2016 Postmortem
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Hillarys Problem: The Government Classifies EverythingBy Jeffrey Toobin at the New Yorker
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As Moynihan explained in his book Secrecy: The American Experience and explored during a lifetime in public service, the definition of what constitutes a government secret has never been clear. Classified information is supposed to be defined as material that would damage national security if released. In fact, Moynihan asserted, government bureaucracies use classification rules to protect turf, to avoid embarrassment, to embarrass rivalsin short, for a variety of motives that have little to do with national security. As the senator wrote, Americans are familiar with the tendency to overregulate in other areas. What is different with secrecy is that the public cannot know the extent or the content of the regulation. Thus, secrecy is the ultimate mode of regulation; the citizen does not even know that he or she is being regulated!
Its not only the public who cannot know the extent or content of government secrecy. Realistically, government officials cant know eitherand this is Hillary Clintons problem. In investigating only a small portion of her e-mails, government investigators have already flagged more than three hundred that are potentially classified. They will surely find more. As Moynihan noted, government bureaucracies have every incentive to over-classify. Its the risk-averse approach, and theres no penalty for erring on the side of caution. Besides, over-classification makes their work seem more important.
In one case, according to media reports, one of Clintons potentially classified e-mail exchanges is nothing more than a discussion of a newspaper story about drones. That such a discussion could be classified underlines the absurdity of the current system. But that is the system that exists, and if and when the agencies determine that she sent or received classified information through her private server, Clinton will be accused of mishandling national-security secrets.
The consequences for Clinton, in the midst of a Presidential run, are far more likely to be political than legal. Criminal violations for mishandling classified information all have intent requirements; in other words, in order to be guilty of a crime, there must be evidence that Clinton knew that the information was classified and intentionally disclosed it to an unauthorized person. There is no evidence she did anything like that. This is not now a criminal matter, and there is no realistic possibility it will turn into one. (Clintons critics have noted that General David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in connection with the disclosure of classified information to his biographer. But Petraeus acknowledged both that he knew the information was classified and that his biographer was not cleared to receive it. Because Clinton has said that she did not believe the information was classified, and because she turned it over only to cleared State Department employees, the comparison is inapt.)
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AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)mob mentality actions......the debates will for me help the deciding factor, not other people's opinions..
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)how would that NOT be at least secret, and how dumb would you have to be not to know that at the highest levels of the State Dept.? That Toobin doesn't realize that a private discussion by the SoS/staff of an active drone program in a country as touchy for us as Pakistan might be sensitive and revealing (regardless of whether it was triggered by a news article or something less public) means he's not a terribly bright man.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)kept her personal emails separate from her work emails.
The idea that she didn't want to carry two phones is such nonsense that even her most devoted supporters can't defend it.
If she had just kept her work emails separate she would never have needed to delete anything in order to protect her privacy. If she had gone to some neutral third party to provide oversight and guarantee that only personal emails were deleted, this problem would not exist.
This is completely self inflicted. It should never have happened and Sec. Clinton has no one but herself to blame.
She is a terrible candidate. She is running a terrible campaign. What is going to happen when the attacks that the (R)s have been planning on using start to roll out? The campaign can't even deal with this email garbage. I don't see how they can combat an organized attack.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)to think that rules don't apply to them. It's a mindset that easily lulls one into a certain complacency.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Can you give a few examples?