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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:57 PM Aug 2015

Bernie vs. Hillary memes have conquered the Internet. Time for a fact-check





Iraq War Authorization:

Sanders- “As a caring Nation, we should do everything we can to prevent the horrible suffering that a war will cause. War must be the last recourse in international relations, not the first.”

Clinton- “ I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year’s terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.”

Correct



Wall Street Bailout (TARP):

Sanders- “ This bill does not effectively address the issue of oversight because the oversight board members have all been hand picked by the Bush administration. This bill does not effectively deal with the issue of foreclosures and addressing that very serious issue, which is impacting millions of low- and moderate-income Americans in the aggressive, effective way that we should be.”

Clinton- Voted in support of the $800 million tax-payer TARP bailout.

Correct



(snip)

http://usuncut.com/news/this-meme-reveals-the-stark-difference-between-bernie-and-hillary/

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Bernie vs. Hillary memes have conquered the Internet. Time for a fact-check (Original Post) Uncle Joe Aug 2015 OP
Great Breakdown! jkbRN Aug 2015 #1
Wonderful synopsis. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #2
FACT CHECK: NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #3
That is the only fact check needed! leftofcool Aug 2015 #4
And that can never and is not changing? n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #5
We are changing every day... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #8
Some people just won't take an answer.... sgtbenobo Aug 2015 #59
Yeah, screw all those comparisons of policy! LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #6
For the moment. John Poet Aug 2015 #13
Shame on the people. 840high Aug 2015 #34
SQUIRREL! frylock Aug 2015 #57
! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #61
LOL Fawke Em Aug 2015 #65
So what? Fawke Em Aug 2015 #64
Uhm... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #76
The OP used the term "fact check". NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #79
Yeah... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #81
If you believe ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #84
1+ riversedge Aug 2015 #80
The Issues do NOT matter. bvar22 Aug 2015 #85
Yeah, because I said all of that. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #86
Yes. You did. Your Post #3. bvar22 Aug 2015 #87
Jesus Hussein Christ. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #88
He has at least two super pac and voted Kosovo tgat would be foreign u.s. Military intervention. seabeyond Aug 2015 #7
Kosovo was experiencing ethnic cleansing by the Serbs perhaps Bernie's family history Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #10
How dare you post actual facts! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #12
who compared? you and joe. i did not. the statement was. foreign u.s. military intervention. seabeyond Aug 2015 #18
Actually the facts posted were about the Iraq war, not military intervention in Kosovo. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #39
they have one for iraq. they have one that ONLY says, ... foreign u.s. military intervention. so. seabeyond Aug 2015 #43
It says "Iraq War authorization". beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #45
yes beam. i can read. the first is iraq. now. count down to the 6 th. tell me. what does that say? seabeyond Aug 2015 #46
That he opposes foreign intervention. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #52
ha. it was simple enough. foreign u.s. military intervention. opposes. except when he doesnt. seabeyond Aug 2015 #54
Not for you apparently. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #56
*sigh* kenfrequed Aug 2015 #77
that is hardly the point. it said no to intervening with u.s. military. right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #17
Considering the region Aerows Aug 2015 #19
again. the category IS! foreign u.s. military intervention. sanders OPPOSES seabeyond Aug 2015 #22
You are criticizing Bernie Sanders Aerows Aug 2015 #30
i am NOT criticizing the man. i am fine with the vote. OP says FACT CHECK. it is NOT fact. seabeyond Aug 2015 #33
Are there any other facts on the list that you dispute? Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #49
one is a billionaire pac. there is at least one other done by an employee or X employee. seabeyond Aug 2015 #53
Well there seems to be some dispute regarding the "billionaire pac" Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #60
Right: anyone can start a super PAC Recursion Aug 2015 #71
How did he vote on Gulf War 1? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #20
i did not say he voted for gulf 1. i specifically said, once he won he did NOT vote gulf 1 seabeyond Aug 2015 #23
So just to clarify; he voted no? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #25
also, he was a yes to gulf war 1 while running and no after he was elected. seabeyond Aug 2015 #26
You gotta know I'm only teasin'. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #28
what is the problem here with you people. getting god damn ugly when i merely contradict the false seabeyond Aug 2015 #31
What is false about the facts listed in the op? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #41
Come on now. I said I was only teasing. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #42
You need a sign off poem or something. GitRDun Aug 2015 #58
Hahahaha! Link to those super pacs and the money they have raised for Bernie. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #14
google sanders super pac and read the many many articles that spell it out. seabeyond Aug 2015 #21
Nope. You made the claim. It is up to you to provide the evidence that Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #35
keep pretending and call everyone liars. this is beyond disgusting. seabeyond Aug 2015 #38
Didn't call you are liar sea… a person that I have admired a long time. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #63
I'm stunned, too Aerows Aug 2015 #27
those are two false statements i know about. now... you come up with reasons for him to not oppose seabeyond Aug 2015 #29
He supported military intervention in Kosovo Aerows Aug 2015 #37
look at the OP. look at the catagories. there is one that says Foreign u.s. military intervention, seabeyond Aug 2015 #40
! Thanks for the laugh, too! Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #36
Allow me to introduce you to a wonderul website called "Google" Recursion Aug 2015 #69
Super pacs are barred by FCC rules, from registering a PAC with the candidates name. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #72
None of those are the registered names Recursion Aug 2015 #73
Billionaires for Bernie is registered. As per FEC rules, either the man has to change the name and Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #75
*Citation n/t Aerows Aug 2015 #16
Here are some Sanders Super PACs Recursion Aug 2015 #70
It's Same Old Shit vs Where We Gotta Go. Ron Green Aug 2015 #9
Well that is a tidy summation Aerows Aug 2015 #32
Speaks for itself. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #11
Uncle Joe Aerows Aug 2015 #15
Aerows, all I want are some ducks that will do what I tell them, Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #24
Just don't forget one thing, Aerows. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #44
ya. cause this OP really wasnt about facts, was it. my bad. seabeyond Aug 2015 #47
Yes, facts, issues, nuance and stuff are pesky things, personalities are what matter in this world. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #48
it wasnt a big deal. what you put up was not totally correct. why the big deal? seabeyond Aug 2015 #50
I'm not making a big deal, I asked you a question upthread post # 49. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #51
done seabeyond Aug 2015 #55
I found your "billionaire pac" and answered it. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #62
+1 cui bono Aug 2015 #67
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #66
What does the "Super PAC raised funds" line mean? Recursion Aug 2015 #68
Pretty decent accuracy for a meme kenfrequed Aug 2015 #74
Here's a fact too... Autumn Aug 2015 #78
Indeed kenfrequed Aug 2015 #83
Those facts mean absolutely nothing!!1! Zorra Aug 2015 #82
Thank you, Zorra. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #89

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
8. We are changing every day...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:17 PM
Aug 2015

It's not just the two candidates who are being revealed, Uncle Joe… Every ONE of us is finding truth.

It has to change as the real issues are revealed.

Thank you for this thread.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
6. Yeah, screw all those comparisons of policy!
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:13 PM
Aug 2015

Who needs shit like that when we can not worry and just get on board?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
65. LOL
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:55 AM
Aug 2015

An actual squirrel had a small issue in my back yard today and my son yelled that.

I had to laugh.

Even as I was worried about the squirrel.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
76. Uhm...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:47 AM
Aug 2015

You do know that we get to discuss policy and choose our candidates... right?

There hasn't been a single caucus or debate yet and all you can say is she is the frontrunner. My question would be: "Should she be?"

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
81. Yeah...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
Aug 2015

So.. you aren't going to actually respond to the meme or to the break down of the meme. You are just going to use the term 'fact check' to toss in sort of a 'we're number one' thing.


You do realize when you respond to these posts you are only kicking them up to the top of the list.

As a Bernie supporter I would like to thank you for that!

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
84. If you believe ...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:51 AM
Aug 2015

... that kicking a thread on DU to the top of a list actually means something, then I'm more than happy to oblige.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
85. The Issues do NOT matter.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:48 PM
Aug 2015

What happens to America does NOT matter.
Which direction the Democratic Party goes,
and who they represent does NOT matter!

Its a Horse Race, and Hillary is ahead at the 1/2 mile post, so for our team....
YAY.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
87. Yes. You did. Your Post #3.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 05:05 PM
Aug 2015

This is your Post #3, added to a thread whose OP cited Issues.
Its clear from your response that only one thing matters,
divert the thread from ISSUES to who has the best cheerleaders.

NanceGreggs (17,378 posts)
3. FACT CHECK:

Hillary is STILL the Democratic frontrunner, and STILL polls ahead of all GOP contenders.



You should be especially proud of that one.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
88. Jesus Hussein Christ.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 06:50 PM
Aug 2015

I posted that HRC is the frontrunner. Like it or not, that is the fact.

No, I did not include in my post a comment about the many, many issues involved in this election. I also did not include a list of the things I care about - including world peace, a cure for cancer, an end to world hunger, the plight of the homeless, and/or whether the next season of "Vikings" will be as good as last season.

It's bad enough when people attack what others haven't said. Now we're down to attacking what people have omitted from their comments, on the utterly ridiculous notion that if you didn't say something in a post, you obviously don't care about it. Or that the one issue you have remarked on is "the only thing that matters" - or, even more ludicrous, that one is attempting to "divert from issues" by not addressing what you, or anyone other poster, thinks should have been opined upon.

Given that posters are now allowed to call the President a POSUCS, or call Hillary a whore, it seems rather silly to complain about anything that gets said here anymore - especially when the complaint is that someone didn't post what YOU wanted them to post.

Might I suggest that you "alert" on my Post #3, and explain how my reply was so lacking, it should be hidden on the grounds that it was disruptive, hurtful, et cetera?

And you just might get a jury to agree with you - such jury decisions have been known to happen.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. He has at least two super pac and voted Kosovo tgat would be foreign u.s. Military intervention.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:14 PM
Aug 2015

That is just two I know. So I question the fact check without research and breaking shit down.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
10. Kosovo was experiencing ethnic cleansing by the Serbs perhaps Bernie's family history
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:27 PM
Aug 2015

during the Holocaust helped persuade him that intervention was necessary, President Clinton was for it as was NATO, if Hillary objected I haven't heard about it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo

Long-term severe ethnic tensions between Kosovo's Albanian and Serb populations left Kosovo ethnically divided, resulting in inter-ethnic violence, including the Kosovo War of 1998–99.[14] The war ended with a military intervention of NATO, which forced the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to withdraw its troops from Kosovo, which became a UN protectorate under UNSCR 1244. On 17 February 2008 Kosovo's Parliament declared independence. It has since gained diplomatic recognition as a sovereign state by 108 UN member states. Serbia refuses to recognise Kosovo as a state,[15] although with the Brussels Agreement of 2013 it has accepted the legitimacy of Kosovo institutions and its special status within Serbia. The agreement solidified that public institutions in Kosovo are exclusively operated by Kosovo's elected government, and not Serbia's.

Kosovo lacks diplomatic recognition from 85 United Nations (UN) member states.[15] It is not itself a member of the UN, however it is a member of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, International Road and Transport Union (IRU), Regional Cooperation Council, Council of Europe Development Bank, Venice Commission and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development.[16] Kosovo has gained full membership in many major sports federations, including the International Olympic Committee.[17] Within the European Union, it is recognised by 23 of the 28 members.[18] Kosovo is a potential candidate for future enlargement of the European Union.[19]


(snip)


By 1998, as the violence had worsened and displaced scores of Albanians, Western interest had increased. The Serbian authorities were compelled to sign a ceasefire and partial retreat, monitored by Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) observers according to an agreement negotiated by Richard Holbrooke. However, the ceasefire did not hold and fighting resumed in December 1998. The Račak massacre in January 1999 in particular brought new international attention to the conflict.[86] Within weeks, a multilateral international conference was convened and by March had prepared a draft agreement known as the Rambouillet Accords, calling for restoration of Kosovo's autonomy and deployment of NATO peacekeeping forces. The Serbian party found the terms unacceptable and refused to sign the draft.

Between 24 March and 10 June 1999, NATO intervened by bombing Yugoslavia aimed to force Milošević to withdraw his forces from Kosovo,[91] though NATO could not appeal to any particular motion of the Security Council of the United Nations to help legitimise its intervention. Combined with continued skirmishes between Albanian guerrillas and Yugoslav forces the conflict resulted in a further massive displacement of population in Kosovo.[92]


(snip)




What two super pacs are you referring to?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. How dare you post actual facts!
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:38 PM
Aug 2015

Comparing Kosovo to the Iraq war is disingenuous, anyone who is concerned with facts would know that.

Kudos for trying to reason with that poster, though, many of us have given up.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. who compared? you and joe. i did not. the statement was. foreign u.s. military intervention.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:15 AM
Aug 2015

sanders, no

that is not true.

right?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. Actually the facts posted were about the Iraq war, not military intervention in Kosovo.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:33 AM
Aug 2015

You knew you couldn't defend Hillary's vote so you threw in a red herring.

Get back to me if and when you decide you want to discuss her yes vote.

Some of us actually knew it was a mistake.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
43. they have one for iraq. they have one that ONLY says, ... foreign u.s. military intervention. so.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:37 AM
Aug 2015

how do you decide it is really about iraq

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
45. It says "Iraq War authorization".
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:41 AM
Aug 2015

And it compares the two candidates' votes and statements.

Nothing about Kosovo.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. That he opposes foreign intervention.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:53 AM
Aug 2015

Which - based on the the data used - he does. War only as a last resort.

Hillary voted to go to war with Iraq, Bernie didn't.

Get it?

They're comparing the two votes in Iraq.

Period.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Not for you apparently.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:59 AM
Aug 2015

They are comparing the only two votes that were made by both candidates in the ONE war they both had the opportunity to vote for/against.

Hillary didn't vote for or against intervention in Kosovo, therefore it's not relevant data.

Bernie opposes foreign intervention except as a last resort.

Hillary doesn't.

Get it now?

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
77. *sigh*
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:50 AM
Aug 2015

I think even people that are generally non-interventionalists will make exceptions in order to STOP Genocide.

Sheesh. This is the kind of nonsense purity demands that are usually irrationally demanded of us by Republicans.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. that is hardly the point. it said no to intervening with u.s. military. right?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:11 AM
Aug 2015

i am not judging the action of kosovo.

also, he was a yes to gulf war 1 while running and no after he was elected.

he voted for resolution to go to war for bush, connected to 9/11

superpac. there is a billionaire one and one started up by an X or an employee.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
19. Considering the region
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:15 AM
Aug 2015

where the ethnic cleansing was occurring, it is *definitely* a point to recognize.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. You are criticizing Bernie Sanders
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:24 AM
Aug 2015

for voting FOR intervention in the Balkans, but then you are saying he was AGAINST intervention in the Balkans?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
33. i am NOT criticizing the man. i am fine with the vote. OP says FACT CHECK. it is NOT fact.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:27 AM
Aug 2015

why is this so damn hard to comprehend?

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
49. Are there any other facts on the list that you dispute?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:52 AM
Aug 2015

You mentioned two super pacs but I haven't seen any names.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
53. one is a billionaire pac. there is at least one other done by an employee or X employee.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:53 AM
Aug 2015

it has been on du more than once. not gonna go thru the hoops luminous wants me to jump thru. look it up, or dont. a simple google: sanders super pac will pull up plenty of articles. i do not know enough about it to be posting facts.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
60. Well there seems to be some dispute regarding the "billionaire pac"
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:07 AM
Aug 2015


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2015/07/16/supporter-creates-super-pac-for-bernie-sanders-who-hates-super-pacs/TTiyTWZkp7W09L0cwdmk4I/story.html

Sanders campaign spokesman Michael Briggs told Boston.com that Sanders does not want billionaires spending unlimited amounts of money for him, or any other candidate.

Briggs also questioned the seriousness of the PAC and pointed out that Jacobson does not seem to himself be a billionaire.

According to the FEC filing, Jacobson—who did not immediately respond to requests for comment—has not yet commenced any fundraising, but would himself provide the minimum $1,000 deposit required to start a super PAC.

Jacobson told the Post that he believes “liberals’ general position against unlimited contributions in politics is limiting their ability to compete.”

Briggs said Sanders is proud that the campaign’s average donation was less than $35 and pointed out that Sanders had introduced a constitutional amendment to repeal Citizens United—the Supreme Court decision that allows corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections.

However, Briggs said there isn’t really anything the Sanders campaign can do to stop Jacobson.




I suppose anyone can "claim" to be a supporter and start a super pac which would serve no purpose but to undermine a candidate's message of being against super pacs.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
71. Right: anyone can start a super PAC
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:32 AM
Aug 2015

They can't give money to candidates, and candidates can't tell them what to do. That's the whole point.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. i did not say he voted for gulf 1. i specifically said, once he won he did NOT vote gulf 1
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:18 AM
Aug 2015

he did run on it that he would. the vote was AFTER elections.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
26. also, he was a yes to gulf war 1 while running and no after he was elected.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:21 AM
Aug 2015

just like i said in the first post....

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. what is the problem here with you people. getting god damn ugly when i merely contradict the false
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:26 AM
Aug 2015

FACT CHECK

really.

why can you not handle the reality of it. not the end of the world and the chart is not FACTS

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
42. Come on now. I said I was only teasing.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:37 AM
Aug 2015

Put the knife down. I was only trying to lighten the mood.

Have a Wonderful Evening seabeyond.
Chris

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
58. You need a sign off poem or something.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:03 AM
Aug 2015

Maybe pantomime of W kissing he sheihk, that should lighten the mood.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
14. Hahahaha! Link to those super pacs and the money they have raised for Bernie.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:52 PM
Aug 2015

Honestly. I really cannot believe that once I believed you were honest.

Come on. You are an intelligent person.

Name the super pac AND post the money that they have raised. I double dare you.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
35. Nope. You made the claim. It is up to you to provide the evidence that
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:28 AM
Aug 2015

they actually exist and are raising money. For your own self respect, don't you want to know?

I can google Obama and birth certificate and read many many articles that spell it out.

I can also provide links to Obama's official birth certificate that dispels the many many articles that claim his official birth does not exist.

So, surely, you can provide the links to official FCC documents that Bernie's super pacs exist and their official filings with the FCC.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
63. Didn't call you are liar sea… a person that I have admired a long time.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:33 AM
Aug 2015

And still a person I want to admire. I'm asking you to prove me wrong.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. I'm stunned, too
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:21 AM
Aug 2015

I have no idea what has come over many of our members.

Instead of Rotovirus they have Votavirus.

Both are characterized by diarrhea of orifices.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. those are two false statements i know about. now... you come up with reasons for him to not oppose
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:24 AM
Aug 2015

foreign u.s. military intervention with kosovo. but FACTUALLY.... which this post is about FACT CHECKING.... FACTUALLY he has supported foreign u.s. military intervention.

correct?

why the fuck are you talking about diarrhea?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. He supported military intervention in Kosovo
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:30 AM
Aug 2015

*I* personally as a citizen supported that action by Bill Clinton.

I'm not sure what point you are careening to here.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
40. look at the OP. look at the catagories. there is one that says Foreign u.s. military intervention,
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:35 AM
Aug 2015

sanders OPPOSES.

got it?

it is in the OP. that we are discussing. about FACT checks. settling in yet?

that is an incorrect fact that sanders is opposed to u.s. military intervention.

i pointed that out.

but for whatever reason, something so simple like that, .... simply pointing out a FACT is not really a FACT has people calling me a liar, associating me with diarrhea and a whole lot of other garbage. why is this even a LITTLE bit difficult to understand?

oh oh tell me Aerows. is it u.s. military intervention that Aerows disagrees with, or luminous, or joe?

or is it fuckin military intervention?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
69. Allow me to introduce you to a wonderul website called "Google"
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:47 AM
Aug 2015

If you Google "Sanders super PAC" you will see both "Billionaires for Bernie" and "Bet on Bernie", two super PACs that support Sanders.

Sanders has promised not to accept any money from Super PACs. That was when he lost my support for good, pretty much, barring the unlikely scenario where he receives the Democratic nomination. No candidate can ever accept money from Super PACs. It was a cynical, misleading, and dishonest pledge, and it made a lot of the other claims he's made in the past look bad to me.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
72. Super pacs are barred by FCC rules, from registering a PAC with the candidates name.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:30 AM
Aug 2015

"Billionaires for Bernie" was a silly idea floated by a public interest lawyer in LA who claimed he thought he could convince billionaires to donate to Bernie. "Bet on Bernie" is not even registered with the FEC.

The FEC has issued a letter to Billionaires for Bernie warning the registrant to change the name:

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg?_201507190300000465+0

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
73. None of those are the registered names
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:36 AM
Aug 2015

They'll have to use their registered names in any ad disclaimers

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
75. Billionaires for Bernie is registered. As per FEC rules, either the man has to change the name and
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:45 AM
Aug 2015

re-register or drop it all together. So far, the FEC site shows that he hasn't changed the name or re-registered in response to the warning letter they sent him. He has until Monday to do so.

The man who claims he is running a Bet on Bernie PAC, Cary Peterson, has no PACs registered for Bernie under any name. If he is raising money, then it is likely a scam. So thanks for pointing that out because I'm going to file a complaint with the FEC now.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
70. Here are some Sanders Super PACs
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:52 AM
Aug 2015
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/847/15970263847/15970263847.pdf#navpanes=0

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/663/201507159000123663/201507159000123663.pdf#navpanes=0

I'm really turned off by Sanders's "pledge" to not take money from Super PACs.

The entire point of Super PACs is that candidates can't take money from them. It was a cynical and misleading pledge on his part and it really troubled me.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. Well that is a tidy summation
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:26 AM
Aug 2015

I hope it isn't all that's left, but it sure does lay it on the blade, doesn't it?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. Uncle Joe
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:09 AM
Aug 2015

You are SO naive. You want Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin to win so that they can grill bacon on their rifles while shooting reindeer on the White House lawn for Christmas.

That's exactly what will happen if Hillary Clinton doesn't win the primary. Rifle Bacon and reindeer guts on the White House lawn.

Are you happy with your Dystopian future, big guy? Are you happy to be callous with facts in the face of your own doom and the doom of everyone and everything you ever cared about?

Tell me, Uncle Joe, are you there yet?


(Sorry I went off on a tangent but the drama surrounding this primary has gotten to me. I hope I didn't offend and you took it in good fun)

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
48. Yes, facts, issues, nuance and stuff are pesky things, personalities are what matter in this world.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:48 AM
Aug 2015
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
50. it wasnt a big deal. what you put up was not totally correct. why the big deal?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:52 AM
Aug 2015

name calling, diahhrea?

why not say, ya... looks like a couple are off, but the rest he is kick ass on.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
62. I found your "billionaire pac" and answered it.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:32 AM
Aug 2015


Well there seems to be some dispute regarding the "billionaire pac"


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2015/07/16/supporter-creates-super-pac-for-bernie-sanders-who-hates-super-pacs/TTiyTWZkp7W09L0cwdmk4I/story.html

Sanders campaign spokesman Michael Briggs told Boston.com that Sanders does not want billionaires spending unlimited amounts of money for him, or any other candidate.

Briggs also questioned the seriousness of the PAC and pointed out that Jacobson does not seem to himself be a billionaire.

According to the FEC filing, Jacobson—who did not immediately respond to requests for comment—has not yet commenced any fundraising, but would himself provide the minimum $1,000 deposit required to start a super PAC.

Jacobson told the Post that he believes “liberals’ general position against unlimited contributions in politics is limiting their ability to compete.”

Briggs said Sanders is proud that the campaign’s average donation was less than $35 and pointed out that Sanders had introduced a constitutional amendment to repeal Citizens United—the Supreme Court decision that allows corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections.

However, Briggs said there isn’t really anything the Sanders campaign can do to stop Jacobson.





I suppose anyone can "claim" to be a supporter and start a super pac which would serve no purpose but to undermine a candidate's message of being against super pacs.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
68. What does the "Super PAC raised funds" line mean?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:44 AM
Aug 2015

Two Super PACs so far have said they support Sanders. Super PACs cannot raise money for any candidate, however, so either Sanders's line should be non-zero, or Clinton's line should also be zero, depending on what "raised funds" means.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
74. Pretty decent accuracy for a meme
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:45 AM
Aug 2015

Usually memes are a lot fuzzier than this one. Good to see the information is fairly good.

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