Just yesterday, someone suggested Hillary set up BLM to make Bernie look bad. Also suggested that the BLM people were trolls. I guess some people just don't understand that Black people do indeed have brains and can think for themselves.

I'm not surprised at anything said these days.

That's great!

So much love.

He shot the Sherrif and the Deputy?



Sid

asking, "Did you she Elon's judas-goat admission and that he is an admitted anti-Semite?"

Good one!

You'll get in the way of the shit fit. Let em keep it going, s'not doin em any favors, just like that nice woman in the video.

Hard to say for sure as a percentage, but it's certainly far from all.

We both know that.

"For months since the State of the Union?
Yes, that would be 3 whole months. There are 8 months left in the year. Only a Firedoglake blogger could manage to throw such a disingenuous dagger as that one. Must be taking lessons from their new friends on the right."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8184093

"I would only offer that anybody who thinks the way to get ANYONE to do ANYTHING is to heckle ANYONE is a complete and utter fool."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950725#post45

"Will one heckler for one left wing cause be classified as more worthy than another heckler for another left wing cause, or are all of these people equally tedious?
The point that one should consider is that these hecklers usually demand some kind of instantaneous and somewhat unilateral resolution of their concerns, ostensibly to
the exclusion of whatever else is going on.

If every heckler is a welcome voice, each of them bringing worthy interruptions about their valid concerns, however off-topic at the time and however loudly and rudely stated, of any of this...What's the most important thing?

My, my... What's a President to do? Reserve added time for the heckler's diatribe? Or perhaps appoint a special presidential advisor for off-topic heckling resolution.

Oh course, that sounds fucking ridiculous.

Ones answers to these questions should be quite instructive, especially if those answers are solely based on ones own particular arena of concern.

Whadaya say? "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022957643#post27

"Because heckling is meant to intimidate, not inform. To degrade, not discuss.
Nothing but shamed submission would have been the proper answer for a heckler. Although I have never heckled, as it's not effective in the long run. It's a cheap thrill many are addicted to and they want to see drama."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022950046#post45

I could do this all day long. What does it say about people when they aggressively oppose tactics when used by one minority group only to aggressively support those very same tactics when used by a group they see as worthy? What does it say about DU that it can pretend this hypocrisy is not blatant, definitive and important to discuss?
I see people who launched multiple tirades against LGBT activists who are now saying anyone who does not support activists is a bigot. I tend to agree that those who shit on civil rights activists are bigots. But that means all civil rights activists, not just my own.

Those threads each have many, many comments about how terrible it is to interrupt political events posted by people who now say it is wonderful to interrupt political events, as long as you are not LGBT when you do it, apparently.

Riding a high horse is always risky, riding one in a place with easy to access records of your past mounts is just stupid.

It's not a joke. It's just not a joke at all.

Bookmarked for easy reference.

Never mind that I evolved from that position long ago.

It always seems as though some only want to point out that certain posters (most of whom seem to have melanin) support BLM but not other protests. Hey, if you think this point is so important that it needs to be pointed out in EVERY GODDAMNED THREAD about Black Lives Matter, well that's on you. I think that's a pretty petty thing to do into every thread on this issue but that's me.

But the "Gotcha!" game could easily be played on both sides. Every single thread about #BLM contains a SLEW of posts from people hollering about how terrible these protests are but who clapped hard as hell when other things and issues have been protested ie Occupy, the TPP and other issues.

So not only do I think the interjection of this bullshit "gotcha!" game into every damn thread on black people getting slaughtered is a really meanspirited way to change the subject to something I guess certain people think are more "important", but the decision to focus on only side of the hypocrisy is every bit as hypocritical to me as the hypocrisy getting pointed out over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

At the end of the day, I think that we should just ignore it.

It's a game people love to play. You try to pull them out but down they go again, every time.

as opposed to an actual "demonstration" at a public rally open to anyone wandering by. It was a PRIVATE event in a PRIVATE home.

The attempt to compare apples and oranges doesn't fly.

The only people who shut that demonstrator up were the guests at the party, who shouted the woman down and showed her the door. She wasn't in a public space, protesting. She was at a private party, disrespecting her hosts.

It's just not the same situation at all. There were no cameras there. It was a private fundraiser in a couple's HOME, and the couple was pissed as hell that the protester would be so discourteous in their home.

And the "room" wanted those people off the stage and wanted to hear Bernie not some screaming ex- Palin lover.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=460641

Nicely done.

And the same people frantically trying to justify their hypocritical horseshit. If I gave a shit about any of them I'd say it was pitiful

It's just rather funny and sad at this point.

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The post this post refers to has quotes from 1SBM who this poster is accusing of "hypocritical horseshit" and alluding that he doesn't give a shit about. If he doesn't give a shit then entering a thread a day later just to say that gives the totally opposite impression.

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truly

Point a finger, and 4 are pointing right back at you.

The idiot author is deservedly getting mauled in the comments.

NUMBER 11 WILL MAKE YOU CRY

Demonstrating the point once again.

The constant mean-spirited harassment isn't doing your candidate any favors.

a Buzzfeed "journalist" over his dumbass piece? BTW Hillary supporters aren't doing her any favors either.

It's a pattern of behavior that is close to becoming a reputation.

Great example.

to create or avoid a reputation. I speak my mind. It doesn't matter if my opinions don't conform to your standards. You've got something of a reputation yourself, Bobbie Joe.

Folks will line up to demonstrate the point.

Without exception.

I suspect it's something like

Hypocrites suck.

that they're "plants" from the Hillary camp.

I've been listening to Bernie on Thom Hartmann's program for more than a decade, so nothing that the idiots online post will put me off of him. However, there's a serious fucking issue with the behavior of a lot of his supporters that needs to be addressed with something other than half-baked conspiracy theories.

The conspiracy theories are disheartening, but I'll continue to support both Bernie and BLM. Racial and economic justice are two of the defining moral causes of our time, and neither one is much good without the other. I am glad that BLM continues to push the cause of racial justice to the forefront of the election, where it belongs, and that Bernie has adjusted his platform to better address the problem of structural racism.

#BlackLivesMatter and Go Bernie.

that needs to be at the forefront of the Democratic Party platform.

The assault on abortion rights and women's health (Planned Parenthood) are despicable, not to mention the pay disparity issue.

For many, conspiracy theory is a pejorative term which denotes a faulty epistemology, rumors, and speculation. Furthermore, it is asserted that such analysis overestimates the ability of government bureaucracies to carry out “sophisticated and secret” (Sunstein & Vermeule, 2008, p. 6) plans in an open society. According to Parenti (2010), the term conspiracy theory can be used to dismiss: “(1) the idea of a conscious design by policy makers; (2) a hidden, but knowing intent; (3) a secret plan; (4) a secret interest.”

When it can be established that when a number of political acts work in concert to produce a certain result, the presumption is strong that the actors were aiming at the result in question. When it can be shown that the actors have an interest in producing these results, the presumptions become a fair certainty- no conspiracy theory is needed.

But rather would appear to justify the conspiracy theory. I understand the actual facts are entirely irrelevant, but you must have observed the consequences of the posts and tweets hostile to Black Lives Matter. If you would prefer Sanders get by with virtually no support from the singe most reliable Democratic voting block, keep it up. Of course, Bravenak and others tried to tell people here that many, many times, to no avail. It would seem that the impulse to deigitimate a movement for back lives takes precedence even over what is an otherwise singe-minded concern of getting Sanders elected.

I myself have found the whole thing rather illuminating, if not terribly painful, because it has shown me precisely what people value.

And people lecture Sanders supporters...

You can sling shit with the best of 'em.

NO DOUBT, even the enthusiastic supporting BS care claiming many creepublicans are enamored with their candidate. And yes I can and will as long as others....are slinging theirs....I will be holding my nose when pulling the lever no matter who the democratic candidate is in the GE...also, no doubt.

you've thrown up the New Black Panther Party to me. I don't like much of what I see on the political scene right now, I pray for a Joe Biden. At least I know where he's coming from without all the honey laden promises giving us all assurance that if, "you vote for me, I'll set you free", from economic woes, maybe institutional and system wide racist problems perpetrated by "toxic" hateful white people. I like the fact of a POC defending themselves from those same "toxic" white people mentioned. So YES I support the New Black Panther Party, and you really should try to hide your fear of them better. You're embarrassing yourself.

I can take your snark and bullshit as long as you put it out there and with much more aplomb than I find in many here. Have a good one.

Was it your comment that Bernie is appealing to the "left" version of the Tea Party (which certainly doesn't seem to be something these folks have been upset about considering the number of "Ann Coulter is speaking TROOF!!1" and "yeah! Repubs are flocking to Bernie!1one!1" posts from people here).

Or was it your point about going to BS meetings and being almost the only face of color in the room?????

is the suggestion that any BS supporter might be racist was deemed unacceptable.

This shit is out of hand.

He even said "some!" And some Sanders supporters do seem to be libertarian. (Not all - obviously since I'm a Sanders supporter and I am very much NOT a libertarian.) Also, racism is systemic. It is everywhere, just like a systemic illness, and that means that it's among groups of Sanders supporters too.

Nothing there was worthy of a hide.

Tell me again how du isn't trying to silence African Americans who tell us how They feel?!

Assuming it was not a conspiracy, why, exactly, did they tear down the only candidate who truly believes in the Black Lives Matter cause?

I'm guessing it's because they are disorganized, sincerely though incorrectly believe Clinton will solve their problems, and assumed Bernie, being old and white, was as bigoted towards them as their behavior towards him.

Is it the assumption it wasn't a conspiracy, and you are actually arguing that it was a conspiracy? Seems rather counter-productive.

Are you arguing that BLM is well organized? The data are rather compelling that BLM is pretty disorganized.

Or perhaps you think Clinton will solve the problems of race in this country. I doubt anyone with for-profit prisons and Citigroup backing her is going to make much of an effort on that front. But hey, maybe you know something the rest of us don;t, so let's see it.

Or do you think Bernie is young, female and black?

Or do you think that a people calling a group of strangers racial epithets based on their skin color is actually an expression of racial harmony?

I think that about covers all the points in my post that could possibly be labelled as bullshit. Please, I'd love to know what, specifically, you meant.

They have been holding protests for a year, protested many public events, places, and candidates. For some reason you insist on ignoring that and want to pretend it's all about Bernie. Additionally, the suggestion that Bernie is the only one who cares about BLM is without foundation.

It doesn't take much work to inform oneself about BLM and its protest activity, particularly since they are all over the news quite frequently. Yet you continue to insist they only target Sanders. That you have decided to ignore all of their activities in furtherance of a contrived claim that they are only targeting Sanders. Given that you refused to familiarize yourself with the movement and their actions, you can hardly make claims about who cares about them, can you? Most importantly, that is for them to decide. You don't get to determine which rights or concerns black social activists, or anyone else, are allowed to demand.

People can ignore everything around them and repeat whatever trumped up conspiracy theory they want. In the process, they only reveal who they are.

Sid

A big tent requires, among other things:

TOLERANCE

RESTRAINT

Please, people, please, this old man is begging you. We have great candidates, they have shit. Yet, we are blowing it. A big tent must include all types of people, all ages, all colors, cooperating, at least being civil. I hate what I keep seeing on here. DU is my online home and you are making it hell, needlessly.

TOLERANCE


RESTRAINT


Please THINK before typing. Stop with the name-calling. NOW PLEASE

The tent expands only right while folks in the center of the rest of the west are pony loving fringe leftist that need to vote and not be heard.

Name a time the trite expression has be used to welcome leftists? Fucking nevah evah.

The people painted as extreme and fringe turn out to be fairly middle of the road in the rest of the west. No actually extreme positions are to be had except from the radical regressives and the corporate conservatives and their footpads.

When has "the big tent" thing been used to welcome those on the left? It is just lame excuse making to make the party ever more conservative.

YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT

Oh shit, 7 times now!

Bernie's dealt with it and moved on..I'm sure now that his crowds have continuously grown larger, access to the stage will become impossible.. And like Hillary Clinton any direct communication with activists will be behind closed doors.

Exactly. It's time to move the fuck on.
Some Sanders supporters can't seem to let go and some Clinton supporters can't seem to resist throwing more gas on the fire.
A good example would be the OP.

pretending that every criticism of Sanders or his supporters comes from Clinton supporters.

The Black Lives Matter activists, the progressive authors and radio hosts, the liberal politicians and bloggers, and the progressive movements that have REPEATEDLY called out the disgusting tactics of Sanders supporters DO NOT ALL SUPPORT CLINTON.

And the reason this "two week old story" that you and your friend want to die so much hasn't is because Sanders supporters are STILL to this day carrying out attacks and doing "opposition research" against Black Lives Matter activists although they now have help from the right as Breitbart is now attacking BLM from the other side. If you want this story to die so badly, enocourage your candidate to say something to his supporters that are engaging in these racist, destructive tactics.

Likely because I was writing in a hurry.

I was not pinning this story on Clinton supporters or claiming that the DUer or the author of the OP were either.
I don't know who they support, that is their business.
What I'm objecting to is the continuation of this 'story' by the M$M as a wedge within the Democratic Party.
I also object to some fellow Sanders supporters continuing to give it legs by spouting all of a bunch of tone deaf bullshit about BLM rather than listening to the message that the cops are killing the shit out of Black people even in liberal cities like Seattle.
It is a horrific problem everywhere.
And you make a good point about Sanders himself stepping in to rein in some of this shit. I think he has consistently tried to stay focused on issues, but perhaps a message from his campaign would help calm people the fuck down.
But I have some issues with some Clinton supporters as well, because they are having a field day ginning NRN and Seattle as a continuing problem for Sanders himself. He seems to have done a pretty good job of addressing many of the points that BLM is trying to make.

I know that we disagree on a number of things, but we are on the same page as far as the character assassinations against BLM members and supporters. BLM is like every other movement, it draws on conservatives, centrists, liberals, radicals, etc. SAnders supports are missing this fact. So it is irrelevant if the young lady from Seattle thought Palin was ok at one time, hell she still might, still. but that would miss the point about what her agenda was; Getting cops to fucking quit killing people in her community! There is deep irony in the fact that Sanders supporters are just as diverse politically, with socialists, liberals, libertarians, and 'fiscal' conservatives.

It just needs to stop. I have been guilty of some OTT rhetoric as well, so I'm try to start with me. I would request that others here give it a shot.

Hopefully that was a bit clearer. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk further!

I hope my explanation was a little clearer!

people on this issue. it's not sanders himself but his people who really turn off people who otherwise would consider supporting him.

and i agree with the part about some clinton people also. they do seem to make this more about sanders and you know they are enjoying this because it helps their candidate although it does nothing to help the issue of black lives matter(the concept rather than specific protestors).

Can't get any clearer than that... To all concerned let it go, so we can delve deeply into an issue that needs our attention and do something about it...

particularly since some are repeating the same conspiracy theories in this very thread.

As much as you might wish to see it buried, my suspicion is this will become part of the history of this election season and discussed for a long time to come. It signals something significant about our current society, and I don't think academicians will overlook it.

Honestly, I don't want it to be buried.
BLM is sitting on the cusp of making some systemic changes that will have some profound social benefits to us all.
I just hope that there is serious follow-through by Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley, and the rest.

As they should.

Go after his/her supporters, that's what. Lot's of new "ignores", thank you!

<there it is>

Equating distrust of Hillary for racism and misogyny is disgusting. Maybe if your candidate didn't do things to compromise our trust in her, like use personal e-mail for her NatSec job and use the "Republicans did it too" defense, or hedge on key issues like KXL/TPP/or For-Profit Prisons, she wouldn't have such a problem with trust.

How's about she stops hidding from an honest debate schedule for a start?

surprising to me. I thought he'd have needed to a McCain-esque intervention by now. I honestly don't know what the hell he's waiting for.

This bit in the article is NOTHING but the truth:

“It’s very insulting and completely tone deaf and really indicative of the level of vitriol and derision that very specific Bernie Sanders supporters are exhibiting and began to exhibit right away — which is 100% racist, it’s discriminatory, it’s very anti-black,” she said.

are part of the problem.

#BlackLivesMatter will say when "it's time to move on".