and listened to hate speech at church. Oh yeah, and he was gay. Remember all that crap?

Democrats and Independent voters don't fall for the smears.

HRC has been weathering storms of fake scandals from republicans for decades. I think she can handle it.

I can't imagine there is anyone who would risk a potential Trump Presidency.

I seem to recall every one of the anti Obama memes you mention originating in her 2008 failed run.

Those were republican smears. Every single republican was spouting them. Hell, some still are.

"But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well....Obama has come under attack for telling a private audience at a California fundraiser that economically frustrated people in small towns get bitter and "cling to guns or religion" to express their feelings. Obama since has said he could have chosen better words and that he regretted offending anyone."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-13-obama-clinton_N.htm

“We’ve seen the tragic result of having a president who had neither the experience nor the wisdom to manage our foreign policy and safeguard our national security,” Mrs. Clinton said in a speech on foreign policy at George Washington University. “We can’t let that happen again.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?_r=0

Mind you these were in 2008, which the GOP ran with until Caribou Barbie shot the elephant point blank range.

Having a personal server, running State Deparment business, and washing it clean is what's she's being called out on. Unless the GOP was running the State Department this is on her. Any press she gets from it stems from her actions and hers alone. What she did may not have been illegal but it is causing her some negative press that I nor anyone who's following the primaries doesn't want to hear.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/20/hillary_clinton_email_scandal_explained.html

The republicans are still looking for that non-existent email, that in their crazy little minds will show that she caused the death of our ambassador.

The Cons were responsible for her actions with the server. That makes sense.

who cares story to me. Every email that was gov. business, was already captured on the .gov server, since she was emailing .gov employees.

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but a judge ruled that she violated policy, which means that this garbage isn't going away anytime soon. If she can't follow policy, how's she gonna be a good POTUS?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/judge-says-hillary-clintons-private-emails-violated-policy-121568.html

Like I said, once he digs in he will realize that the government emails were captured on the .gov server.

The only story for me that has come out of all of this, is just how out of date our government is. Every Department has different standards. Senators don't even have to archive their emails. Thankfully, President Obama has ordered all Departments to join the 21st century when it comes to technology and archiving.

you'd have seen that she violated Obama's policy. But hey, they're cool now right?

and she complied anyway. Rice, Powell, were also asked to comply. The didn't. Probably because they didn't keep their emails after all these years.

and not much different than other Secretaries of State who used email. And let's not even get into the silence of the media and Republicans when millions of emails went missing during the Bush years. The point in bringing that up is to show just how partisan this issue has been.

from the campaign that she's trying to run. The fact is that she used a personal server, ran government business through it, and wiped it clean save a few emails she turned over. Now she's fielding questions regarding what was in those servers instead of what she plans to do with the economy. I considered the Benghazi's ghost exercised, but this crap will bring it back to life.

That you got a handful of Rec's for another boring anti-Hillary screed I read one paragraph of before I threw up a little in my mouth should give you a clue.

DOMA, repealing Glass-Steagall, NAFTA, the crime bill, welfare reduction et al. actually happened. Those aren't smears. Those are legitimate criticisms of Bill Clinton's neoliberal presidency. Given that her record indicates that she's every bit as much a neoliberal, there's little reason for someone to confuse her with an actual progressive.

Now, the GOP attacks may be largely bogus (after all, they don't have any problem with things like repealing Glass-Steagall, NAFTA and so on, which should tell you something), but in terms of choosing a nominee, Clinton will likely be even more disappointing than Obama. To those who expected more from Obama, that is.

Hillary is not her husband. For you to imply that she is by using policies Bill Clinton enacted is sexism at its finest.

her record suggests she's just as much a neoliberal and would be even less progressive than Obama. It would be hard to not be left of Clinton without being a Republican. Ex-Republican Chafee is well to the left of Clinton. That's why it's so absurd (yet effective) that Republicans paint her as a radical leftist...but since they're going to do that, the Democratic Party might as well nominate someone who actually *is* progressive.

I was addressing KMOD's false analogy. She was likening legitimate criticisms with ridiculous crackpot nonsense that was said about Obama. Believe it or not, there are legitimate criticisms to be leveled against neoliberal Democrats.

That was one of Bill's "selling points" when he was running. So it's disingenuous to assume that HRC had nothing at all to do with those policies.

I've seen no indication that Hillary was or is opposed to the numerous atrocities brought to us by Bill's administration. That's not sexism. That's neoliberalism.

... twice in the last 48 hours that Hillary started the birther movement, and it was she who demanded Obama's birth certificate.

"Are you denying that she was the one starting the whole birther deal in 2008?"

Who imparted this invaluable information? A poster right here on DU, that's who.

One no longer has to resort to reading FR to keep up with the latest crap. It's now available right here, free of charge!

Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives
Competition helps both sides, she says. A Buffalo deal yielded a few jobs.
July 30, 2007|Peter Wallsten | Times Staff Writer


BUFFALO, N.Y. — To many labor unions and high-tech workers, the Indian giant Tata Consultancy Services is a serious threat -- a company that has helped move U.S. jobs to India while sending thousands of foreign workers on temporary visas to the United States.

So when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) came to this struggling city to announce some good news, her choice of partners was something of a surprise.

Joining Tata Consultancy's chief executive at a downtown hotel, Clinton announced that the company would open a software development office in Buffalo and form a research partnership with a local university. Tata told a newspaper that it might hire as many as 200 people.

The 2003 announcement had clear benefits for the senator and the company: Tata received good press, and Clinton burnished her credentials as a champion for New York's depressed upstate region.

But less noticed was how the event signaled that Clinton, who portrays herself as a fighter for American workers, had aligned herself with Indian American business leaders and Indian companies feared by the labor movement.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/30/nation/na-buffalo30


"Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality. We are not in favor of putting up fences."
Hillary had said on Feb 28 in India, according to a report by the Asia Times. Kirwin also cited her position as co-chair of the ‘Friends of India Caucus’ in the Senate, a group of senators that supports issues important to India, including outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas, as another reason behind the ITPAA's decision to give the award to the prospective Democrat presidential nominee.”
(Press Trust Of India, 3/5/05)

Seen enough of that in my lifetime, and am surprised at Democrats who join in.

dismissing blatant discrimination of American workers (of ALL races), as 'not disparaging Latinos, Indians etc, to attract votes'

you're good at what you do - I'll give you that

corporatism - at it's very best

I get suspicious. In my opinion, it's not much different than some of the things Trump says. Sorry you don't like it.

'When someone posts photos of Indians, Latinos, Blacks, etc., to attract the fear/greed vote,'

i posted one pic, of her at the ribbon cutting of TATA, a job outsourcing giant




from wikipedia

Controversies
Class action lawsuit

On 14 February 2006, U.S. law firm Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein, LLP filed a nationwide class action lawsuit against Tata.[107] In July 2013, judge Claudia Wilken of the U.S. District Court, Northern District of California in Oakland, California, granted final approval to the settlement of the lawsuit on behalf of all non-U.S. citizens employed by TCS within the state of California from 14 February 2002 to 30 June 2005. The workers claimed that they were forced to sign over their federal and state tax refunds to their employer, as well as stating their Indian salaries were wrongfully deducted from their U.S. pay.[108] On February 22, 2013, the Company entered into an agreement to settle for a sum of INR 16,163 lakhs ($29.75 million), this class action suit filed in a United States Court relating to payment to employees on deputation.[60]

Charleston County in South Carolina sued Tata Consultancy Services for delivering botched software. TCS won the contract to create an online tax system (digiTax) for a $1.2 million. The system was supposed to go live in July 2004 but was plagued by several delays. Tata developed the software at its offshore development center in Chennai, India. The software was rejected by Charleston County during user acceptance testing where it failed to meet even the basic requirements. County sued Tata and it agreed to pay back $1 million in out of court settlement. County finally bought an off the shelf solution.[109]
Accusations of discrimination

In May 2013, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, in its extensive coverage of the hiring of temporary foreign workers in Canada and the unemployment issues faced by Canadians, reported that TCS rarely hires skilled experienced Canadians while advertising open positions in Canada. TCS responded that the company hired more than 125 Canadian workers in 2013 who make less than 1.2% of the 10,452 workers the company has outside of India.[60][110]

In April 2015, a class-action lawsuit against TCS was filed in a San Francisco federal court by a U.S. information technology worker and ex-employee, who accused the company of discriminating against American workers by favoring South Asians in hiring and promotion. The lawsuit claimed that South Asians comprise 95% of the company's 14,000-person U.S. workforce, and that TCS engaged in discriminatory practices by sourcing most of its workforce through the H-1B visa programme, by focusing its U.S.-based hiring disproportionately on South Asians and by favoring South Asian employees in its human resources practices. In response, TCS refuted the plaintiff's claims, assuring that it is an equal opportunity employer and bases its employment practices on non-discriminatory reasons. A spokesperson said that in 2014 alone the company had recruited over 2,600 U.S. hires.[111]

Classic HRC supporters, in action

smearing those who call out her past corporatism

Do you consider Trump a "progressive" because he disparages Hispanic, Indian, etc., workers?

now you've moved on to 'guilt by (falsely claimed) association'

is pretty fucking far from xenophobia, and I'd wager you'd be singing a different tune if it had any effect on you personally.

But I am a poor scribe, so let me give you this as my gift:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027098629

Be aware, or be part of the problem:

"We are all aware of how (de)colonisation and globalisation contributed to changing Western communities, as well as reframing the balance between national and global powers (while prompting an ongoing deterioration of nation-states) with an influence on some strata of European societies, and in particular, the white working class."

I'll play your fucking game. Why do you support slave labor?

Not that I give even one fuck.

It's like being anti-immigrant and anti-minority is okay with so called Democrats now. Maybe they should take a closer look at supporting Trump. LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=953&v=wHhrvKlZyS4

Watch the 13:30 to 15:40 timeframe.

Answer 1) You should take the time to read, "The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton", by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons. It'll bring things in perspective so sane people don't get caught up in the Republican trumped up hype and begin to believe in it. Fact of the matter is, it's just more Republican character assassination tactics since they can't run on their policies.

Answer 1a) NO ONE anywhere left of center gives a care about the M$M trumped up e-mail-gate. Only those staunch Republican voters do, so no loss there. And she's done nothing wrong. Let's not forget that Bush, Cheney, and Colin Powel destroyed 20+ million e-mails. Jeb Bush used a private e-mail server, and Huckabee and Romney destroyed hard drives before they left office. Hillary Clinton not only turned over all her e-mails but she turned over the server as well. That only shows how honest she is.

Answer 2) There IS no guarantee. Not with Republicans who prove to be the sorest of sore losers. And you know that. Each and every Democrat who has the unmitigated gall to reach for the White House will be persecuted and scandalized to the fullest extent that billions of dollars can buy and what M$M can get away with while still pretending to be neutral.

Have you forgotten Jeremiah Wright? The Bill Ayers/Weather Underground non-scandal? The Vera Baker affair that never happened? Birther movement? The rise of the Tea Party? The claims that he was "too inexperienced" to be POTUS?

Let's try to keep things in perspective here.

Democrats who fall for this email crap are unwittingly falling into the GOP trap.
If someone supports Bernie or whoever, that's fine. Just don't buy into the crock'ocrap the gop is serving up concerning this latest phony scandal.

putting forward reasons to vote for their guy, anyone would ever believe a single thing they propagate.

On edit - I'm not a supporter of HRC or Bernie. Not undecided I'm just waiting to find out who I'm going work my ass off for.

I think you missed a point. The press is carrying the water on this for two reasons:

1. They follow Fix down every rabbit hole. On TV especially they all follow the leader and Fox is clearly #1. Everything is a copy cat business now.


2. The press's product is drama not information. If they didn't report on this and if they hadn't created Trump the election would be a no brainer. I think it still will. They, the press, has too much invested to just let this drama pass. They open the election process up to 2 years for the content.

1) The general public is not going to care about the persecution of the Clintons. All they remember about Clinton is good times and a blue dress. Fast forward to 2015 and we have Bill's better half running for office. Instead of hearing stories about how Mrs.Clinton is talking about the issues, she instead becomes the issue over something that she shouldn't have done. We here at DU know that the cons are full of it, but the general public is wondering what was in that server and why is it important. Wiping it clean doesn't help quell the hysteria the righ wingers are fueling.

1a) You're right about nobody here caring about email gate, but its a giant pain researching Hillary Clinton speeches without running into email gate (which is one point of my questions regarding her viability as a candidate). The Bush crime family did delete their emails but Obama choose not to go after them, which falls on him.
Likewise its up the successors of those states (Jeb, Hucks, Romney) to reign in those former governors since those fall under state laws (if there is a federal statue then that failure is also Obama's). If she was honest she would have turned in the server with eveything on it instead of wiping it clean and then turning in a select few emails.

2) You seem to be forgetting that Obama is in office and he's fought off the Cons very well. There is a guarantee that certain progress can be made without them interfering in his personal life. The billionaires can do more with willing participants (still not happy over TPP and Obama) than running them into the ground and forcing their hand like they did Bubba. The country can't afford it.

No I haven't forgotten about Breitbart's attempts to discredit the president (which no one believed unless you're a Fixed News/Enquierer viewer). That last one, though did come from the Hillary Camp.

"Clinton in December said Obama's lack of experience would make his presidency "a roll of the dice"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/22/hillaryclinton.uselections2008

You appear to be blowing them out of proportion.

1) Yes, the general public most definitely cares about the persecution of Bill Clinton. It's why his approval ratings were SKY-HIGH (78%) even during the Republican trumped-up Lewinsky-gate that NOBODY outside of Fox "News" Channel cared about. In fact, the vast majority of Americans continued to give him high approval ratings after he was impeached. The vast majority of Americans polled by Pew gave President Bill Clinton 71% approval ratings even after he was impeached!

So your contention that "the general public is not going to care about the persecution of the Clintons" doesn't jive when you look at the numbers. The vast majority of Americans (78%) cared deeply, to the extent that President Bill Clinton was being unfairly targeted and persecuted, hence his sky-high approval ratings.

2) This is just more "but-but-BUT OBAMA!!11" b.s. shame-blaming I've seen too much of coming from both sides of the extreme political spectrum and from mainstream Republicans that it's made me sick. Most people understand that there were more pressing issues for newly elected President Obama to contend with (an economy on the brink of catastrophe; getting cabinet members approved by the Senate; bleeding 750k jobs monthly; two unfunded wars; soaring deficits because of tax cuts to the rich; high unemployment; unprecedented obstruction by Republicans and some Democrats in Congress, etc., etc.) than going after Bush/Cheney deleted e-mails, although I'm pretty sure that was being done behind the scenes. Just because you nor I read, hear, see anything about it in the unreliable U.S. Media (think how President Obama had planned and successfully found and eliminated bin Laden as an example), doesn't mean it hasn't been done. The point in my previous post was, it's hypocritical for anyone to persecute Hillary Clinton for using a private server and e-mail accounts especially since she's turned over e-mails and server, while the list of Republicans I've provided have done worse and are not being held accountable by the same media trying to make a big deal out of this. This double-standard is nothing short of hypocrtical...and most sane Americans see it that way.

She was clearly referring to his foreign policy experience, and she was right to do so. I agreed with her on that although I supported Obama's candidacy over hers.

Republicans, however, were claiming, ad nauseam, that President Obama was inexperienced in everything else including foreign policy when it was clear he was running a strong campaign and could very well beat Hillary Clinton in 2008. Republicans wanted to pad McCain's lackluster credentials. It didn't work.

President Obama has been excellent on foreign policy.

I also agree with him on TPP since I heard him talk about renegotiating trade deals during his campaign. See video here:

Renegotiating or "amending" trade deals, as he called it, was a campaign promise. I've known that he would try and do this from the get-go so I'm not surprised he's working hard on it today.


President Obama has performed beyond anyone's expectations; always working with the goal in mind to help Americans and American families. I trust he'll do the same when negotiating fairer trade deals that will benefit everyone. He's earned my trust.

Name just one policy position she holds that is better for me as a member of the 99% than Sander's position on that same policy.

Rhetoric doesn't help people. Neither are non-viable policies that will never see the light of day in congress.

you still can't name one though

Sorry.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=President+Camacho

Take a look at some of DU's loudest and angriest Bernie supporters ... many of them are the same folks who hated the ACA so much they would have preferred that Obama drop it if he could not get a PO or single payer.

They'd have taken nothing over something ... and that something has turned out to be extremely positive. This has happened multiple times while Obama has been President.

I'm a fan of making as much progress as you can, when you can.

The GOP would be more than happy to do nothing ... and they'd love to help us do it.

1. Unlike many here on DU, I don't buy into the latest GOP manufactured scandal concerning the emails. Ask yourself this question>> Why aren't they talking about Benghazi anymore??

2. Although I don't agree 100% with every position she's taken, she supports my interests a vast majority of the time.

3. Unlike Bernie, she IS electable. The GOP WILL to rip Bernie to shreds in the general election. Count on it, that's what they do, they're experts at the smear game. Recall the image of Mike Dukakis riding around in that tank.
Folks, I love Bernie, but not to the point of ignoring political reality. I made that mistake with George McGovern.

4. She has the most experience of ANY of the current pres hopefuls from either party.

5. She's a fighter. She's survived every GOP fake scandal thus far, and I believe she'll survive this one as well.

6. As President, she will be 10,000% better than any of the GOP clowns hoping to fool the voters and steal another election.
Think SCOTUS appointments in the next 8 years.

I could go on and on, but this is a good start to how I feel.

It's sad to see so called liberals joining in with them. Mark my words, they would the same or worse with Sanders if they thought he was viable.

a Clinton (whatever that means). Feel free to play the race card too while you're at it:

"...even my critics would agree that once i get the nomination, i will stop at nothing, absolutely nothing, to win. whereas with senator obama, there are some things he simply will not do. take, for example, the race card. which he has been reluctant to play. as in anyone who doesn't vote for me is a racist. i, on the other hand, will be happy to play the gender card. [ laughter ] and claim that anyone who doesn't vote for me is a sexist. in fact, one senator obama is out of the picture, i look forward to playing the race card myself [ laughter ]."

SNL skit during the 2008 Primaries

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/SNL_spoofs_Clinton_The_race_hopelessly_0512.html

as clearly as you do. Unless of course the TV is tuned into Fixed News. Then that might be the problem.

Really?

I believe there would have been overwhelming support for Senator Elizabeth Warren should she have decided to run. It's not the plumbing, it's the policies.

of sexist bullshit and lies.

a segment of du telling us, if you had gotten the right female candidate, than we would address the sexist rw bullshit lies. but since it is a candidate we do not like..... DUMP her

argue all you want. wont be swaying me any

Benghazi!

IRS investigations!

Border Patrol!

Hasn't stopped him from passing solid legislation.

Flag pins!!

Teleprompters!!!

He flies on a plane!!!

unlike "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", which lead to an impeachment from the house. They threatened to sue Obama, but so far nothing has been filed.

Is God or Joseph his real father?

Is Jesus an anchor baby?

Was Mary really a virgin?

Jesus turned water into wine, does he have a drinking problem?

Never married, probably gay??

Distract and Deflect are the primary policy positions of the GOP no matter who we elect.

Or have you not been paying attention to the Obama Presidency.

Everyone except the believers would have been anniahlated.

There would be no GOP or DNC party.

The constitution would have been replaced with the ten commandments.

Wine would be the only alcoholic drink anyone could purchase

Israel would have been destroyed

I have not heard Obama say that he wanted to do any of these things.

That's kind of why Jesus allegedly came in the first place. So no 10 commandments in the Constitution. But there probably would be Universal Health care ... which would really piss the GOP off.

Jesus also said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, suggesting that he recognized a role for government. And has anyone who has studied biblical history, society was often fragmented into sects which worked for their own political outcomes.

Jesus gave away the wine, he did not make anyone purchase it.

Interestingly, many Republicans claim Obama does want to destroy Israel, and they think his Presidency is a sign of the end times.

Of course if Jesus did come back, the GOP would crucify him long before he could destroy Israel or kick off the end times they so desperately desire.

which is new testament.

The Republicans are crappy losers. They will set out to destroy and minimalize whoever run. If a Democrat wins the WH I don't expect him or her to be treated any better than Obama.

They won't be able to yammer about racism but they will find something else. They always do.

and every visible minority member of his Cabinet....if I recall recent history correctly.

And the racism goes on as the last 500 days of Presidenting While Black remains.

are RWers.