2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump vs. Sanders - Pierce Nails It
Differentiating between political revolutions real and counterfeit;
those encouraging true activism and those hoping for applause.
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It is not enough to claim that both men are "populists" or that they are both appealing to some amorphous general dissatisfaction with "government." First of all, the only problem Sanders has with government is that it hasn't done enough to fix a rigged financial system and to stop the erosion of a viable middle class. The problem Trump has with government is that he's not running it. One is asking for a revival of grassroots democratic activism. The other is appealing for applause. One campaign's vision is a guy knocking on doors. The second campaign's vision is a strongman on a balcony. One is LaFollette. The other is Peron or, at best, Berlusconi. The first is the way democracy is supposed to work. The second is how democracy always manages to con itself.
MORE:
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37394/sanders-and-trump-call-for-revolution/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/25/1415210/-Trump-vs-Sanders-Pierce-Nails-It
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)more clearly than does Charlie Pierce. Not even Taibbi. Drop the mic, sir. Boom.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Charlie Pierce hits the mark...a true journalist.
Applause for him, not Trump.
Paka
(2,760 posts)Aren't contrasts and comparrisons great?!!
MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)Charlie Pierce is a national treasure, no doubt.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)They can call him that all day long, but he's the sanest person running.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The Leaders of the Democrats have a fixation on the South and keep wanting to run someone in a cowboy hat. It kinda started with LBJ sweeping the country after Kennedy. They ran a couple of Northerners and lost but then won with Carter and then lost running more Yankees and then won two terms with Bubba.
They act like the black guy from Chicago (I think of him as being from Hawaii) doesn't count because he's just a response to the failed Bush Administration.
Keep in mind their strategy has led to a lot of Southern Blue Dogs gaining decision making positions and shifting the party to the Right and now they feel the need to defend that strategy or they'll lose those positions to a new generation of Liberals.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Nearly every policy proclamation Bernie makes could have been put forth by Hubert Humphrey, Paul Wellstone or Ted Kennedy, word-for-word.
He is on the Democratic wing of the party.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)k&r
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)"There is not going to be much point in trying to understand this campaign unless you understand the difference between these two visions, and how they could come to pass, and there's not going to be much point in trying to understand this campaign unless you understand the difference between a political revolution of the considered spirit and a political revolution of the raw appetites. In a perilous world, that makes all the difference."
Norman Goldman has been trying.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Other than that, ok.
dhill926
(16,355 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Consider yourselves warned.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)A snapshot of reckoning day.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)who went on to rule the country. The Donald is nothing more than a bankrupt happy "billionaire". No comparison.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)of saving Trump supporters from themselves.
Bernie gives the strongest and most concise voice to straightening out their misdirected anger, he can't save them all but some will have epiphanies along the way.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.
sorechasm
(631 posts)
"Such then is the nature of political revolutions," he wrote. "They are produced either by violence or by fraud, or by the union of both; for, sometimes, what is begun by fraud is ended by force."