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kpete

(72,014 posts)
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:22 PM Aug 2015

Trump vs. Sanders - Pierce Nails It

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Are Calling for a Revolution
Differentiating between political revolutions real and counterfeit;
those encouraging true activism and those hoping for applause.


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It is not enough to claim that both men are "populists" or that they are both appealing to some amorphous general dissatisfaction with "government." First of all, the only problem Sanders has with government is that it hasn't done enough to fix a rigged financial system and to stop the erosion of a viable middle class. The problem Trump has with government is that he's not running it. One is asking for a revival of grassroots democratic activism. The other is appealing for applause. One campaign's vision is a guy knocking on doors. The second campaign's vision is a strongman on a balcony. One is LaFollette. The other is Peron or, at best, Berlusconi. The first is the way democracy is supposed to work. The second is how democracy always manages to con itself.



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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37394/sanders-and-trump-call-for-revolution/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/25/1415210/-Trump-vs-Sanders-Pierce-Nails-It
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Trump vs. Sanders - Pierce Nails It (Original Post) kpete Aug 2015 OP
That pretty much lays out the difference. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #1
Nobody sees the world of politics hifiguy Aug 2015 #2
As usual Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2015 #3
Terse and to the point. Paka Aug 2015 #4
Nails it! MsLeopard Aug 2015 #5
This is in answer to the media claim, "The two are the same because they're both extremists". Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #6
Bernie is the anti-extremist. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #14
I think of him as a Classic Democrat.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #17
Becuse that's just what he is. hifiguy Aug 2015 #19
For sure. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #18
Charles Pierce explains it all. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #7
The "political revolution of the raw appetites" has been impossible to sway so far. rusty quoin Aug 2015 #8
Yes, Pierce Nails It n/t erpowers Aug 2015 #9
...journalistic malpractice. SoapBox Aug 2015 #10
K&R Scuba Aug 2015 #11
Depicting Trump as an equal of Peron, and Peron as inferior to Berlusconi, strikes me as unfair Babel_17 Aug 2015 #12
Bravo! as usual for CP..... dhill926 Aug 2015 #13
k and r snagglepuss Aug 2015 #15
Well said and exactly what I see in both Sanders and Trump Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #16
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #20
k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #21
Brilliant Fairgo Aug 2015 #22
Berlesconi is the Rupert Murdoch of Italy d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #23
An excellent analysis and this is why I believe Bernie stands the best chance Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #24
Though profound, the Aristotle quote applies to all but Bernie sorechasm Aug 2015 #25
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. Nobody sees the world of politics
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:39 PM
Aug 2015

more clearly than does Charlie Pierce. Not even Taibbi. Drop the mic, sir. Boom.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. I think of him as a Classic Democrat....
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:27 PM
Aug 2015

The Leaders of the Democrats have a fixation on the South and keep wanting to run someone in a cowboy hat. It kinda started with LBJ sweeping the country after Kennedy. They ran a couple of Northerners and lost but then won with Carter and then lost running more Yankees and then won two terms with Bubba.

They act like the black guy from Chicago (I think of him as being from Hawaii) doesn't count because he's just a response to the failed Bush Administration.

Keep in mind their strategy has led to a lot of Southern Blue Dogs gaining decision making positions and shifting the party to the Right and now they feel the need to defend that strategy or they'll lose those positions to a new generation of Liberals.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. Becuse that's just what he is.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

Nearly every policy proclamation Bernie makes could have been put forth by Hubert Humphrey, Paul Wellstone or Ted Kennedy, word-for-word.

He is on the Democratic wing of the party.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
8. The "political revolution of the raw appetites" has been impossible to sway so far.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:00 AM
Aug 2015

"There is not going to be much point in trying to understand this campaign unless you understand the difference between these two visions, and how they could come to pass, and there's not going to be much point in trying to understand this campaign unless you understand the difference between a political revolution of the considered spirit and a political revolution of the raw appetites. In a perilous world, that makes all the difference."

Norman Goldman has been trying.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
12. Depicting Trump as an equal of Peron, and Peron as inferior to Berlusconi, strikes me as unfair
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:09 AM
Aug 2015

Other than that, ok.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
23. Berlesconi is the Rupert Murdoch of Italy
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 04:04 PM
Aug 2015

who went on to rule the country. The Donald is nothing more than a bankrupt happy "billionaire". No comparison.

Uncle Joe

(58,417 posts)
24. An excellent analysis and this is why I believe Bernie stands the best chance
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:16 PM
Aug 2015

of saving Trump supporters from themselves.

Bernie gives the strongest and most concise voice to straightening out their misdirected anger, he can't save them all but some will have epiphanies along the way.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
25. Though profound, the Aristotle quote applies to all but Bernie
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:40 PM
Aug 2015

"Such then is the nature of political revolutions," he wrote. "They are produced either by violence or by fraud, or by the union of both; for, sometimes, what is begun by fraud is ended by force."


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