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Related: About this forumClinton Email Scandal Falls Apart As State Dept. Says There Was No Policy Against Private Email
By: Jason Easley
Monday, August, 24th, 2015, 2:27 pm
The Republican Hillary Clinton email scandal is falling apart as the State Department confirmed that there was no policy against Clinton using private email.
On CNNs New Day, State Department spokesman John Kirby said, We have said in the past, Chris that there was no policy prohibiting the use of a private email account here at the State Department, and that is still a fact. Now, obviously, we have policies in place now that highly discourage that, and you are supposed to use your government account so that there is a constant, permanent record of it, but at the time she was not violating policy
.I can tell you that there was no prohibition for her use of this, and weve since changed the policy to discourage that greatly, and in fact, the policy is that you have to use your government account for business.
Kirby added that he didnt believe that the policy changed while she was Secretary of State, which means that Hillary Clinton was doing nothing wrong when she used private email.
In a recent interview, also on CNN, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) admitted that the number of emails that Republicans claim were classified information in Hillary Clintons email account was not accurate due to retroactive classification.
The great email scandal that Republicans hoped would destroy Hillary Clintons candidacy is heading down the same path as IRS scandal, the Benghazi scandal, and President Obamas birth certificate.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/24/clinton-email-scandal-falls-state-dept-policy-private-email.html
FarPoint
(12,437 posts)Nothing here, no laws broken intentionally and/or unintentionally. Let's stop feeding into the right wing propaganda....PLEASE PEOPLE.
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Kirby added that he didnt believe that the policy changed while she was Secretary of State, which means that Hillary Clinton was doing nothing wrong when she used private email.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)that, on their face, have been broken.
As usual, misleading article that parses the issue too thin. If this were just about State Department rules, we would never have heard about it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Having one's policy choices challenged by the opposition Congressional committees is just part of the game in DC. Unless, of course, you're the best Secretary of State, ever.
Hope she fired her lawyers who okayed this one. But, it's really too late for that, now.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)But back at the end of Bill Clinton's presidency a former director named John Deutsch received -a pardon- for a misdemeanor offense of placing and maintaining classified documents information on a unsecured personal computer.
The greatest threat to security cited in that case was the co-mingling of personal email and what should have been secure government documents on the hard drive, which was on an unsecured computer. The security of the computer not referring to the quality of a firewall but the fact that it was connected to the internet and was thereby available for hacking.
One of the details (questionable as they are) is that HRC's home server was configured to use Google servers to back up email. Google admits to having it's email system hacked by the Chinese. At its surface this should suggest why it is that the government doesn't want sensitive material on computers connected to the internet. And one would think that concern would be well understood by the head of the State Dept.
Among the tight parsing of the narratives being told by all sides, it's rather hard for someone who isn't intimately involved in the legal and regulatory issues to really know anything for sure about the status of policy, regulation and law and the specifics of at least 30,000 emails.
The curiosity about the legal claims involved is twisted by the pardon given by Bill Clinton in the closing days of his presidency for a misdemeanor charge of mishandling sensitive government documents which boiled down to placing those documents on a private home computer that was also connected to the internet for personal communication.
We are left to wonder, how it is, after a CIA Director was charged for the very same offenses, that Gov't IT specialists don't insure that every incoming cabinet secretary is trained about the security concerns of placing sensitive government documents on a personal server connected to the internet.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)HRC received training on how to handle classified information as SOS, and proceeded to continue to use her own unsecured personal server for all Department email, nonetheless: http://www.aol.com/article/2015/08/21/exclusive-dozens-of-clinton-emails-were-classified-from-the-sta/21225607/ (Reuters)
Anyone else would have been indicted by now for this
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)scandal fell apart. The so called dems who are playing along with it should be ashamed.
Lancero
(3,013 posts)Emails about Benghazi.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)This is classic GOP tactics.... keep scratching until you can find something, anything, to make an issue out of.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I guess the thought is that if State just reaffirms this every few weeks, the issue will just go away. But here we are, and now the FBI is involved.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)We wouldnt be here today if this employee had followed government policy, said U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, apparently referring to Clinton, during a hearing on one of the many Freedom of Information Act lawsuits seeking access to her records as secretary of state.
Sullivans said Clintons actions had complicated the State Departments ability to respond to requests for records on various topics. He also ordered the State Department to contact the FBI to determine whether the private server Clinton used, which Clinton turned over to that law enforcement agency earlier this month, contains official records possibly responsive to the FOIA suit.
After Justice Department lawyer Peter Wechsler argued that the open records law normally doesnt allow for searches of government officials private accounts, the judge said he viewed it as an unusual situation becausethere was a violation of government policy. Were not talking about a search of anyones random email, Sullivan added."
link: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/judge-says-hillary-clintons-private-emails-violated-policy-121568.html
yardwork
(61,703 posts)Look at what Republicans have done and silence from the media.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)that no policies were violated or laws broken.
And that source is the very non-partisan, independent, highly informed politicsusa
The question is not whether policies or laws were broken having a private server.
The question is how top secret information, which is very different from confidential and secret information, ended up in unsecure emails on a possibly unsecure server without the classification headings it would have had at its original source.
The FBI is looking for evidence to show if the server was ever hacked. The emails were not encrypted. The top secret data included evacuation details re: Ambassador Stevens. Who was subsequently murdered. And since the initial 40 emails turned up 2 with top secret info, there are now 300 emails being investigated.
Get why the GOP is getting all frothy about this? Get why this will be an ongoing problem for Hillary?
trumad
(41,692 posts)Will keep banging the drums.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)She's well into the spreading and worsening stage, and part of that has been the ongoing denial and stonewalling. If she'd simply handed over her server right from the get-go, this wouldn't have gotten traction.
It's not by chance that Gore was floated as a possible candidate. It's not by chance that Biden is getting closer to announcing. And it's not by chance that Obama is sounding an awful lot like he'll endorse Biden, in spite of all the Clintons did for him in 2012.