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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:22 PM Aug 2015

Is Biden Stoking the Fire - Or Throwing Cold Water on It?

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Biden: My heart and soul "are pretty well banged up"

We heard Vice President Joe Biden talk about his thoughts on a 2016 run for the first time since the speculation took off earlier this month, and he sounded like a man who's too personally wounded to jump into the presidential waters with both feet. In a conference call with DNC members yesterday to talk about the Iran deal, Biden said, "I've given this a lot of thought and dealing internally in the family about how we do this," referring to a possible White House run, as NBC's Kristen Welker reported on "Today." He later added to the DNC members, per Welker: "If I were to announce to run, I have to be able to commit to all of you that I would be able to give it my whole heart and my whole soul -- and right now both are pretty well banged up." Those comments match what we wrote yesterday, as well as Politico's Glenn Thrush's reporting. "The Joe Biden who has been reaching out to Democratic operatives and would-be donors for a potential 2016 bid isn't quite the happy warrior of bygone days," Thrush wrote.

This isn't a way to build up a fire for 2016; it's a way to throw water on it

Folks, this isn't a way to stoke the 2016 fire. Indeed, it's more throwing water on it. It's as if Biden was trying to tell the political world: calm down. Of course, Biden's comments come as another Quinnipiac poll (this one national) shows him with a better fav/unfav rating than Clinton, and has him performing slightly better in hypothetical general-election matchups than Hillary does. (The same poll, though, shows Hillary leading both Biden and Sanders in the Dem race.) Then again, campaigns-in-waiting are usually going to poll better than the campaigns already underway. In football terms, think about it as the excitement for the backup quarterback who hasn't thrown an interception yet.

Biden and Elizabeth Warren aren't exactly BFFs

By the way, given Biden's meeting last weekend with Elizabeth Warren -- plus the speculation that Warren could be part of a ticket with the vice president -- don't miss the Boston Globe piece noting that they haven't been BFFs in the past. Just consider this 2002 New York Times letter to the editor that Warren wrote, which called out Biden for work he was doing a bankruptcy bill. "Banking and credit lobbyists have been trying to change the bankruptcy laws for years. The current bill was stuck in conference between the Senate and House until Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware — where many banks and credit-card issuers are incorporated — agreed to vote with Republicans on almost all the issues that were holding up the bill. But Mr. Biden also told his Democratic colleagues that he would support an amendment to stop abortion protesters from using bankruptcy protection to avoid damages they might otherwise have to pay for violating federal law in violent clinic protests." Warren wasn't wrong here: There's a reason why so many banks and credit-card companies are based in Delaware.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/biden-stoking-fire-or-throwing-cold-water-it-n416866
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Is Biden Stoking the Fire - Or Throwing Cold Water on It? (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2015 OP
His backers, and the press KMOD Aug 2015 #1
I think he needs encouragement fadedrose Aug 2015 #2
There was some initial stoking... ram2008 Aug 2015 #3

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
2. I think he needs encouragement
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:35 PM
Aug 2015

to do it, that if his health falters, he pick a very good Vice President, and all will be well....

He's beating Trump in some ratings, even ahead of Hillary.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
3. There was some initial stoking...
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:56 PM
Aug 2015

Mainly he hired an Edward campaign alumni, has started talking to donors, courted Elizabeth Warren, had Obama give him the green light etc. I think he wanted to know if it was OK to jump in if Clinton continues to falter and if she does that he has an operation ready and willing to hit the ground. I think his answer to that was a yes.

That's the first part of his decision, the second part of his decision will be based on how the polling looks 3-4 weeks from now. I think the emotional burden gives him an out should he decide it doesn't look to good, but I think if the trend holds he'll get in the race.

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