2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDebbie Wasserman Schultz's lame response
Thats how long DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz spent addressing the national call for more presidential debates. Here are her VERY brief remarks:
The second one, which proposes that we increase the number of debates
The policies established by which the DNC determines the process for debates, the establishment of the dates, how many there are, THAT IS THE PURVIEW OF THE CHAIR of the democratic national committee. That debate criteria has been negotiated over the last number of months, the debate schedule has been announced, and there is no provision available to have the DNC by motion increase or decrease or adopt criteria for those debates. So that point is well taken as well.
Great insider takedown with links here:
VETERANS FOR BERNIE SANDERS
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=518009328349770&id=471628832987820
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Nice to know that if Hillary were to push for more debates that she would be responded to in the same way. Ya think?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)After a couple decades of building that club they dominate dem national offices so they dominate the DNC admin.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)DWS should NOT be heading the DNC.
I don't even want to support our own organization!
monmouth4
(9,709 posts)HappyPlace
(568 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)...of the Hillary 2008 campaign afterall.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)She has shown where her loyalties lie. No way will she be impartial in her decision making regarding the number of debates or any other issue affecting the candidates. She should have stepped down during the primaries or been replaced. Cronyism at its worst.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and have plenty to eat.
relayerbob
(6,551 posts)... but she's apparently already purchased her office decor and can't return it
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I guess situational positions aren't just for....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251558453
Oops, this doesn't really address the OP, does it? OK, Debbie, whatever you say is how it will be, because you are the fearless leader. Who doesn't listen to anyone else, because leaders don't have to.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)dictatorially decides that she has the absolute right to rig the Democratic primary process, so that her BFF Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS in 2016.
Paraphrased, Little Debbie says fuck democracy, and says Democrats can go fuck off if we don't like it. Little Debbie says this ain't Burger King, and Democrats get it her way, or we don't get it at all.
So, just how many millions of Democratic votes will this cost Clinton in the GE after Debbie
crowns her Hillary, Queen of the Democrats?
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)by her partiality. Her decisions thus far have been made for the purpose of aiding her chosen candidate and making sure she is the anointed one. It's almost like rigging an election.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)We already bought the crown. We are having a coronation. Deal With It!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She should have been kicked to the curb long ago instead of getting "promoted".
Someone at the DNC (or the corporations that own the DNC) thinks she is doing a good job.
Lets look at her job performance:
In 2008 Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to endorse these 3 Democrats
who had won their Primaries and had a chance to win Republican seats:
Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chair Joe Garcia
Former Hialeah Democratic Mayor Raul Martinez
Democratic businesswoman Annette Taddeo
All three had won their local Democratic Primaries, and were challenging Hard Core Republican incumbents with whom Wasserman-Schultz had become cozy.
Not only did the head of the DCCC Red to Blue Program REFUSE to endorse these Democratic challengers,
but she appeared in person at at least one (possibly more) Campaign/Fundraiser for their Republican opponents.
FL-18, FL-21, FL-25: Wasserman Schultz Wants Dem Challengers to Lose
by: James L.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 7:15 PM EDT
<snip>
Sensing a shift in the political climate of the traditionally solid-GOP turf of the Miami area, Democrats have lined up three strong challengers -- Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, and businesswoman Annette Taddeo to take on Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, respectively.
While there is an enormous sense of excitement and optimism surrounding these candidacies, some Democratic lawmakers, including Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek, are all too eager to kneecap these Democratic challengers right out of the starting gate in the spirit of "comity" and "bipartisan cooperation" with their Republican colleagues:
But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.
"At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant," Wasserman Schultz said.
Now, you'd expect this kind of bullshit from a backbencher like Alcee Hastings, but you wouldn't expect this kind of behavior from the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is the position that Wasserman Schultz currently holds. Apparently, Debbie did not get Rahm's memo about doing whatever it takes to win:
The national party, enthusiastic about the three Democratic challengers, has not yet selected Red to Blue participants. But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.
http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1537
The bloggers also are furious with Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (D-Fla.), who similarly refuses to endorse the Democratic challengers to the three Cuban American Republicans.
They are calling for Wasserman Schultz to step down from her leadership role at the DCCC. And they're not letting up, even after one Florida liberal blogger reported that the congresswoman seemed "frustrated" by the blogs and had asked to "please help get them off my back."
This prompted even harsher reaction from perhaps the most influential of the progressive political bloggers, Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. Kos, founder of Daily Kos, who wrote on his blog Wednesday: "On so many fronts, the Republicans are standing in the way of progress, on Iraq, SCHIP, health care, fiscal responsibility, corruption, civil liberties, and so on. Those three south Florida Republicans are part of that problem. And she's (Wasserman-Schultz) going to be 'frustrated' that people demand she do her job?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html
Here are Kos comments on the Wasserman-Schultz betrayal of the Democratic Party:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20/480511/-DCCC-Says-Uproar-Over-DWS-Recusal-Much-Ado-About-Nothing
A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly.
bvar22
Cursed with a memory
With "partners" like this, we don't need Republicans!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)She spoke so glowingly of incumbent (R) Ginny Brown-Waite in the St.Pete Times, it amounted to an endorsement. And her and the FDP actively undermined the campaign of progressive John Russell, who had won the 3-way primary by 12 pts over the DCCC's, DLC's hand picked candidate.
irisblue
(33,018 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)She needs to understand that there are adults involved here.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)to, "I am the decider."
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)has to ask anyone to do that. And it would get a bunch of press that people seem to be craving...
Do a gofundme or something, or find one of the stations that would do it or find someone wealthy to help as needed.
There are ways...people need to quit asking permission. That's how we got here.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)If the candidates engage in non sanctioned debates they are banned from the DNC debates. Shultz and crew set it up that way.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)She would probably lose that one too.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)here are the people's debates over here."
Maybe that's the debate we really ought to be having.
People ask permission too much. That's why they are getting fucked 8 ways from sunday all the time.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Everything decided by who has most power inside the beltway?
Shame on you Debbie and Hillary.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Ron Green
(9,823 posts)Dump her.
Just dump her.
DrBulldog
(841 posts). . . Debbie Wasserman Schultz should be immediately removed as DNC chair. She is completely incompetent to hold such a critical position.
mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)I've sure had enough of DWS.
madaboutharry
(40,218 posts)lobodons
(1,290 posts)But seriously, the Dems do not need more debates. We know the candidates. We know their stances for the most part and or what a handful of debates and the right questions can't iron out. Would be nice to get more free air time for Dem policies, but the whackadoodles on the right are helping the Dems with all their free airtime and debates in that regard.
Dems, just take a breath, relax and when the time comes GOTFV!!!!
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)"If you participate in somebody else's debate, you can't be in ours." There has to be a way around that.
elleng
(131,073 posts)which they won't do. 'We' the 'outsiders' are excluded.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Maybe the others could have a series of friendly town hall discussions where they got together and spoke about the issues.
elleng
(131,073 posts)might provide useful info to some voters. Would be good to have an engaged 'conductor.' I'm not sure that Bernie would participate.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2015, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)
but a rule change to make it easier to challenge an arbitrary decision of the chair is clearly in order.
1939
(1,683 posts)Debates are very dangerous for front runners who really don't have much to gain from a debate win and have a lot to lose from a debate stumble.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)But I can't find the link.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Go on ...
Or was it between Debbie, and Other Debbie?
Well, as we know, DNC rules are DNC rules, and they can never be challenged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Democratic_primary,_2008
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)Let's help them remember during this primary season, shall we?