I hope he would go to war and use drones, if necessary.

But, as he also said in that interview, war is the last resort, only when absolutely necessary...and the US should not gop it alone, and, similarly, only use drones on a limited basis, and not in ways that cause needless collateral damage.

though here on du, one would think he is no better than bush.

i would absolutely expect sanders to hold this position. further, i have tried arguing, once he steps in as pres, he is going to have to shift in some areas. as did obama, which again, get flayed for.

of course this is the right position ot hold.

the reality is we continually have posters on du say sanders is for women cause he does not do war and stupid shit like that.

again, it is painting sanders as something he is not. i am not a big fan of that. fact works for me. i am even good with fact.

So this is basically a meta post against non-existent posts?

When are her ops not callouts?

I don't understand what you are doing. The OP is providing information, just information. It isn't an opinion, it isn't negative, it definitely is not a call out so what...?

Someone needs a new hobby.

As if his preeverted porn poetry wasn't bad enough his cult following has a wicked sense of humour.

Evil!

Deeze Nuts/Boobs 2016!

Ever.

SOS

Thats my vote.

It was an illegal war that Hillary never should have voted for.

You're really grasping here.

When asked for comment it went "rrrrrrrrroar... Rrrrrrroar... Hisssssssss... Shoo... Rrrrrroar"

my joke hinges upon the use of the word "the". See, sea?

- Hawkeye Pierce

I'd much rather win a stuffed panda, or something.

Dig it.

Bush and Cheney not necessary but they still went to war

The Taliban and ISIS should be wiped off the face of the earth because they are a threat to everyone who isn't a crazed extremist. But sending troops over there isn't the way to do that. It has to be done using the best intelligence possible and well trained drone operators. There never should have been any kind of occupation; the only thing that has lead to is the creation of more terrorists and a lot of dead civilians and troops.

I have no illusions that a US president is going to deliver completely solid, acceptable foreign policy for the Middle East. Not sanders, not Clinton, not O'Malley, Webb, or Chaffee, and certainly not a Republican. With that being the case, I have to look for the best out of the bad options I have available.

What does Trump say?

I predict that somehow this will be fine for Bernie.

"That rock over there, is inside my head!"

To which the master replies

"You must have a very big head, to hold a rock that size"


...fuckin' classic.

I'd totally be Peter Pan if they made those felt pants in a 34" waist.

Life must really suck for people who broke their funny bone.

They do love to spread the misery around, though.

from all kinds of raging posters.. I wouldn't think it was so damn funny.

People like to conflate all sorts of shit. I'm not in any particular camp, but everyone seems to over-generalize here WAY too much.

Not everyone who supports Sanders is known to rage against Obama over Drones, etc.

I suspect every. damn. candidate in the primaries has some positions their most enthusiastic supporters would vehemently disagree with.

In the case of Hillary, I also particularly think some folks are running around with an imaginary version of her in their heads which is vastly different from any way she's remotely likely to govern.

Which is fine, for someone like me, I mean I'll take 4 years of a vaguely uninspired status quo Democratic administration over the inevitable clusterfuck that would be any Republican one. But I think some of her more hard-core fans on DU are setting themselves up for some form of profound disappointment when they don't get whatever list of needs they have, met, under an HRC presidency.

these years.

Security questions, will give some people a moment of pause.

I think some people flip out when they hear "drones"- drones aren't inherently good or bad, it depends on the use case scenario.

Is this a joke?

Sanders is, after all, an American.

lone Chafee supporter on all of DU.

Just like some other issues, we may see a response from different candidates.

Actually, the drone attacks and American interventionism probably should be more often discussed.

I'm not sure why anyone with a grain of sense would disagree with that

it sloppy if we choose?

that is not how drone use works. and that is not saying collateral is ok, it is reality

This has happened too often:

i think i made a good choice with obama. i certainly do not see him as frivolous.

So you disagree. What then, is your standard for "sloppy"? What would it take for you to share arcane1's sentiments on the subject?

so i gotta assume you believe sanders can use drones without killing innocent people

am i wrong?

"“I think we have to use drones very, very selectively and effectively. That has not always been the case,” Sanders said."

I agree with that statement.

Good thing this isn't a meta thread all about DUers instead of Sanders!

are you suggesting sanders is gonna be able to kill only the bad guys?

But you are failing.

But this thread is about Sanders, not arcane1 and other supporters of his.

Right?

Arcane1 said something. Maybe you could talk about what arcane1 said, instead of assuming?

who would be the same no matter who is President.

wisdom when deciding when to use military force to defend our nation.

We need leadership of that quality in the White House.

vote for many. but, we forget that fact. he had absolutely no repercussion what so ever for that vote. we were looking at right before election and lost seats in a time of 87% support from the people.

but really... lets pretend it is all about integrity and not politics.

What a crock of shit!

on lies.

Live with it....

Claiming Sanders voted out of expedience is utter bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself!

I can always see what inane posts they decide are worthy of DU. And I can reply to them...if motivated. But those who have ignored me cant see it....you can't by that for a dollar......

the one you have never criticized and always defend. It is not O'M either.

you just do not want to openly say for some reason. That is your choice.

we can read and see what you post.

You are free to support whoever you want. Nobody is telling you who you must support. By your own posts and the constant attacks on Bernie and his positions, we know who you probably are supporting. Just curious on why you will not say it publicly.

that should be less offensive

You are campaigning against one candidate, not for another one.

Big difference.

stickers on my car and signs in my yard.

problem?

Like a parrot or a broken record.

I have yet to see you post an op about MOM.

And then come the impact of the aftershocks of that action. The rise of autocratic militias. The Iraq Civil War. The rise of Daesh.

Beyond those dead - confirmed and unknown - is an unknown but certainly very large numbero f people who have been injured and horribly traumatized as a result of these things.

Do you regard this to be a "fair trade" for a few moments of political expediency - in the case of some congresspersons, very few moments?

circumstances then and do not pretend it was so clear cut and simple.

to, as an attack. that is why you guys are tripping all over yourself to figure out my position. i make a simple statement and all kinds of shit is being assigned to it, making it false.

and it is NOT that tough.

YEA!!!! for sanders he was in a comfortable and easy position to be able to vote as he did. i thought it at the time. YEA he got to vote no with absolutely NO repercussions, being independent, vermont and not up for election and got to vote his out there vote.

not the same with everyone else.

because i state the reality of how i saw it, does not mean i am attacking sanders. it means i see things more nuanced than others are allowing themselves. it is not black and white, i do not hold to black and white, i am not voting for kerry proudly in 2004 and making iraq war THE issue in 2016.

but i am also not gonna pretend sanders was in the same boat as everyone else.

I have been asking about your positions simply for purposes of clarity, Seabeyond.

of course not. there were a whole lot going on at that time.

look. since being on du, i have not gotten into this conversation and not going to now. it is just one of those conversation that does no good. simply that you asked that, with the info i gave, makes me want to say.... done.

You say "it's not black or white" but here's the plain and simple fact.

People are dead, Seabeyond. A lot of people. Very certainly more than the documented statistics recorded. Vastly more beyond have been physically and mentally traumatized and harmed - into the millions. It's ongoing. All of it. The Iraq War created a spinning, sucking sinkhole of crime against humanity, and the harm will continue for at least two more decades.

There was no threat from Iraq. There was zero valid reason for the vote to ever happen. Every bit of "evidence" was transparently fake. Americans were wildly against it.

To tell me "it's complicated" or "it's not black and white" or "They had to think of political repercussions" is morally and ethically repugnant on every single level.