2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is NOT radical.
Unless you think supporting the 99% instead of the 1% is radical.
Unless you think putting the rights of the people before the rights of the corporations and big money interests is radical.
Unless you think NOT supporting trade agreements that will gut worker rights and send even more jobs overseas is radical.
And if you think these positions are radical - what in the hell are you doing in the Democratic Party?
On edit: To "real" Bernie supporters. You do realize they are trying to make people think of radical when they think of Bernie? There needs to be a hard push back on this B.S.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)In as much as Sanders is suggesting a return to the roots of government of, by and for the people;
In as much as Sanders is arguing that a movement must be grown from that root that changes national governance or little will be accomplished;
Sander's message is, consequently most certainly 'radical'.
The problem, of course, is that most daily experience of the American people can be captured in 1200 words, and the most colloquial meanings of those words.
In that world "radical" is a bad word. In that world, "democratic socialism", is missing from the lexicon, because it of the number of syllables, and similar sound to Soviet Socialism, it is scary to people with limited vocabulary.
Uncle Joe
(58,378 posts)Neither of which is what we have, the U.S. is a corporacy.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)So we are back to Democracy is radical....
But then again, to the Corporate Democrats, it must appear to be a radical idea.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Since the Am Revolution across the world we've seen attempted empires, a variety of totalitarian putsch to dictatorships, and the rise of neo-feudalism via plutocrats and oligarchs.
Human nature contains peculiarities sufficient to always leave the existence of democracy an open question.
As Franklin responded when asked about the form of American government, "We have a Republic, if we can preserve it."
Uncle Joe
(58,378 posts)of course even with that, it was never one man, one woman one vote and whoever wins the most popular votes wins the election.
Blacks, women and poor white men couldn't vote, that began to change with Jackson's election and then after the Civil War, even then it has been a continuous struggle in one form or another.
Electors based on the popular vote sometimes winner take all in the states would go on to elect a President, not the people.
However in the mid to late 19th century corporate supremacy began to take hold, the latest manifestation of that is the Citizens United decision.
Oligarchs and mega-corporations yank the government's chains, not "We the People" and anyone proposing to give power to the people as Bernie is doing, is most definitely considered a radical by those established powers whether it's the less than 1%, mega-corporations with their authoritarian hierarchy or their corporate media mouthpieces.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Are those positive words?
Not exactly words you can hang around Bernie Sanders neck. But radical - hey that might work.
https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/636873589174718464/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Both just take a little consideration to get beyond knee-jerk reactions to fear of knee-cappers.
Cry
(65 posts)He's AWESOME, dude!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)What is extreme nd radical is the obscene concentration of wealth and power that has developed over the last 30 years.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you want him to be all that in radical.
make up your mind