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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 07:51 AM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders is NOT radical.


Unless you think supporting the 99% instead of the 1% is radical.

Unless you think putting the rights of the people before the rights of the corporations and big money interests is radical.

Unless you think NOT supporting trade agreements that will gut worker rights and send even more jobs overseas is radical.

And if you think these positions are radical - what in the hell are you doing in the Democratic Party?

On edit: To "real" Bernie supporters. You do realize they are trying to make people think of radical when they think of Bernie? There needs to be a hard push back on this B.S.



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Bernie Sanders is NOT radical. (Original Post) Skwmom Sep 2015 OP
See definition of radical...it also refers to growing from the root HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #1
Precisely, democracy is radical for that matter so is a true democratic republic. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #3
Really? Democracy is radical? I thought that was settled centuries ago w/the American Revolution. Skwmom Sep 2015 #5
Hardly settled HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #8
They never created a democracy, it was a democratic republic, representative government, Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #10
Poll on Clinton: Liar, untrustworthy, corrupt, etc.. Skwmom Sep 2015 #6
Radical is no more worth running away from than democratic socialist HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #15
No... he's not radical.... Cry Sep 2015 #2
Cowabunga, dude! Fawke Em Sep 2015 #11
You are absolutely correct -- He represents real moderation Armstead Sep 2015 #4
no. sanders is not radical. right there with the other dems running. nt seabeyond Sep 2015 #7
No he is not "right there with the other dems running." He is NOT a Corporate Democrat. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #9
most of their ideas are in the ballpark of each other. some idea better, some not as good. nt seabeyond Sep 2015 #12
In the ballpark? Not even close. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #13
i disagree. i am in here agreeing he is not radical, as your OP demands. now.... seabeyond Sep 2015 #16
That's what make him radical in their eyes. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #14
ya joe, all of "they" are the bad dems.... seabeyond Sep 2015 #17
Na, sea, "all of they" are the corporate supremacists and their corporate media mouthpieces... Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #18

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. See definition of radical...it also refers to growing from the root
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:19 AM
Sep 2015

In as much as Sanders is suggesting a return to the roots of government of, by and for the people;
In as much as Sanders is arguing that a movement must be grown from that root that changes national governance or little will be accomplished;

Sander's message is, consequently most certainly 'radical'.

The problem, of course, is that most daily experience of the American people can be captured in 1200 words, and the most colloquial meanings of those words.

In that world "radical" is a bad word. In that world, "democratic socialism", is missing from the lexicon, because it of the number of syllables, and similar sound to Soviet Socialism, it is scary to people with limited vocabulary.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
3. Precisely, democracy is radical for that matter so is a true democratic republic.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:22 AM
Sep 2015

Neither of which is what we have, the U.S. is a corporacy.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. Really? Democracy is radical? I thought that was settled centuries ago w/the American Revolution.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:30 AM
Sep 2015

So we are back to Democracy is radical....

But then again, to the Corporate Democrats, it must appear to be a radical idea.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. Hardly settled
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:41 AM
Sep 2015

Since the Am Revolution across the world we've seen attempted empires, a variety of totalitarian putsch to dictatorships, and the rise of neo-feudalism via plutocrats and oligarchs.

Human nature contains peculiarities sufficient to always leave the existence of democracy an open question.

As Franklin responded when asked about the form of American government, "We have a Republic, if we can preserve it."







Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
10. They never created a democracy, it was a democratic republic, representative government,
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:52 AM
Sep 2015

of course even with that, it was never one man, one woman one vote and whoever wins the most popular votes wins the election.

Blacks, women and poor white men couldn't vote, that began to change with Jackson's election and then after the Civil War, even then it has been a continuous struggle in one form or another.

Electors based on the popular vote sometimes winner take all in the states would go on to elect a President, not the people.

However in the mid to late 19th century corporate supremacy began to take hold, the latest manifestation of that is the Citizens United decision.

Oligarchs and mega-corporations yank the government's chains, not "We the People" and anyone proposing to give power to the people as Bernie is doing, is most definitely considered a radical by those established powers whether it's the less than 1%, mega-corporations with their authoritarian hierarchy or their corporate media mouthpieces.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. Poll on Clinton: Liar, untrustworthy, corrupt, etc..
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:36 AM
Sep 2015

Are those positive words?

Not exactly words you can hang around Bernie Sanders neck. But radical - hey that might work.

https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/636873589174718464/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. Radical is no more worth running away from than democratic socialist
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:01 AM
Sep 2015

Both just take a little consideration to get beyond knee-jerk reactions to fear of knee-cappers.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. You are absolutely correct -- He represents real moderation
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:23 AM
Sep 2015

What is extreme nd radical is the obscene concentration of wealth and power that has developed over the last 30 years.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. most of their ideas are in the ballpark of each other. some idea better, some not as good. nt
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:56 AM
Sep 2015
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. i disagree. i am in here agreeing he is not radical, as your OP demands. now....
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:01 AM
Sep 2015

you want him to be all that in radical.

make up your mind

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