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ram2008

(1,238 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:07 PM Sep 2015

New PPP Poll: Clinton net favorability worse than Trump, Cruz

New PPP Poll out not really the best news for Democrats. Shows Clinton clinging onto a lead and Sanders behind.

PPP's newest national poll finds that Hillary Clinton generally holds modest leads over the Republican field for President, with Ben Carson faring the strongest among the GOP hopefuls.

Carson earns a tie with Clinton at 44%, and he actually leads Bernie Sanders 42/36 in a head to head.

The other candidates who come really close to Clinton are Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina, who are each down by just 2. Fiorina trails Clinton 45/43, and is down 39/38 to Sanders. Trump is down just 2 points as well at 46/44, and he leads Sanders 43/42. Interestingly Joe Biden actually does far better than both Clinton and Sanders against Trump, with a 6 point advantage at 47/41. Biden joins Carson as the second person with a positive rating in this poll at 43/40.

...“It used to look like nominating Donald Trump would be an unmitigated disaster for the Republicans,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “But now he’s doing better against Hillary Clinton than a lot of their perceived electable candidates."

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_90315.pdf


Not mentioned in these paragraphs however, is the favorability ratings of each candidate. Most republicans are underwater, but so are Hillary and Sanders. The most shocking part of the poll, however, is Trumps net favorability is actually better than Clinton's.

Clinton: Fav: 36%, Unfav 55% Unsure: 8% (-19)

Trump: Fav 35%, Unfav 53% Unsure: 12% (-18)


Sanders: Fav 31%, Unfav 39% Unsure: 30% (-8)

Biden: Fav: 43%, Unfav 40% Unsure: 17% (+3)

Carson: Fav 41%, Unfav 30% Unsure: 29% (+11)

Cruz: Fav 29%, Unfav 47%, Unsure: 24% (-18)



The scary part is Carson's numbers are very good and like I've said numerous times before, the way he calmly delivers crazy ideas and how people eat that up is extremely scary and dangerous.
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New PPP Poll: Clinton net favorability worse than Trump, Cruz (Original Post) ram2008 Sep 2015 OP
The Media is doing what they are getting paid to do liberal N proud Sep 2015 #1
I believe the fact that Carson's numbers are like that renders this poll useless. onehandle Sep 2015 #2
And yet PPP has Clinton +35 to the nearest Democratic competition for the nomination Godhumor Sep 2015 #3
Nominating a candidate those favorability numbers will be a disaster ram2008 Sep 2015 #5
The demographics of the poll look a bit off. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #7
This isn't good DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #4
Not the best news for Sanders, but fortunately he has room to grow ram2008 Sep 2015 #6
She hasn't started seriously campaigning. This is fixable. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #8
Is there a plan to make people like her? pscot Sep 2015 #13
We have a winner! bvf Sep 2015 #22
I wonder how much advertising she has to spend to get people to show up teach me everything Sep 2015 #23
She's been campaigning for this election since 2009 Reter Sep 2015 #14
Actually since 1992 teach me everything Sep 2015 #24
Hmm? Why is Bernie -8 generally he has gotten positive coverage WI_DEM Sep 2015 #9
I'm most interested in seeing how he polls in MI, WI, PA, OH LettuceSea Sep 2015 #21
Favorability ratings don't mean much. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #10
They mean a lot ram2008 Sep 2015 #12
Nah, Obama went underwater in 2012 and won reelection. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #16
And one has to figure out how much Democrats she has to back her up teach me everything Sep 2015 #27
I still don't get the libertarian angle ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #30
Think small l liberterians teach me everything Sep 2015 #32
Still ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #34
no problem.. teach me everything Sep 2015 #35
True libetarians would actually be close to Sanders on certain military issues, John Poet Sep 2015 #37
That's because his favorability was still higher than RMoney's ram2008 Sep 2015 #31
Obama only slightly went underwater jfern Sep 2015 #38
It's pretty sad how well Trump is running against HRC & Sanders--Biden does best. WI_DEM Sep 2015 #11
Carson is easily the least-known quantity in the listed group - bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #15
The one that has her 35 points ahead of Bernie? And also doing better against the GOP? DanTex Sep 2015 #17
I didn't miss that, it's in the paragraph ram2008 Sep 2015 #18
All together now: Biden does better than Clinton and Sanders because he's not in the race (yet). But Metric System Sep 2015 #19
I don't think it's that black and white at this point LettuceSea Sep 2015 #20
Yes, I agree. Biden gets working class whites, independents and the underthematrix Sep 2015 #25
Biden does better than Clinton and Sanders because he's not in the race (yet). But teach me everything Sep 2015 #29
Every single day there's a new poll out with drastic changes than the last polling bigdarryl Sep 2015 #26
I am not worried about Carson. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #28
I agree, but think Carson's presence would help us all stay out of the mud in our primary LettuceSea Sep 2015 #33
Carson provides cover for racists. Garrett78 Sep 2015 #36
Pollster: Clinton unfavorables worse than Cruz, Paul, Christie, McConnell, Pelosi: HappyPlace Sep 2015 #39

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. I believe the fact that Carson's numbers are like that renders this poll useless.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:09 PM
Sep 2015

14 months before the GE. 5 Months before the Primaries.

People don't even really pay attention to the primaries until late Fall at the earliest.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
3. And yet PPP has Clinton +35 to the nearest Democratic competition for the nomination
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:10 PM
Sep 2015

For the second month in a row. Guess that net favorability hasn't done any real damage. And it is no surprise that candidates who have just recently made a splash have decent favorability ratings or are doing well in a spot in time poll. When nominations are sorted out, we will get a much better picture of how people approach the candidates.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
5. Nominating a candidate those favorability numbers will be a disaster
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:17 PM
Sep 2015

Unless the Republican nominee is Bush, but I believe it will be one of the anti-establishment candidates: Fiorina, Carson, Trump or Cruz.

Leaves open the door for someone to run third party as well, like Bloomberg.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. This isn't good
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:16 PM
Sep 2015
Carson earns a tie with Clinton at 44%, and he actually leads Bernie Sanders 42/36 in a
head to head. Carson is the only declared candidate with a positive favorability rating-
41% of voters nationally see him positively to only 30% who have a negative opinion. He
earns a tie with Clinton on the basis of a 43/35 advantage with independents.
The other candidates who come really close to Clinton are Donald Trump and Carly
Fiorina, who are each down by just 2. Fiorina trails Clinton 45/43, and is down 39/38 to
Sanders. Trump is down just 2 points as well at 46/44, and he leads Sanders 43/42.
Interestingly Joe Biden actually does far better than both Clinton and Sanders against
Trump, with a 6 point advantage at 47/41. Biden joins Carson as the second person with a
positive rating in this poll at 43/40.


We tested Jeb Bush against Clinton, Sanders, and Biden to get a sense of their relative
strength as general election candidates. Clinton (a 4 point lead over Bush at 46/42) and
Biden (a 3 point lead over Bush at 44/41) do quite similarly. Sanders does a little bit
worse, trailing Bush by a point at 41/40.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
6. Not the best news for Sanders, but fortunately he has room to grow
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:23 PM
Sep 2015

Not many other candidates have that luxury.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
9. Hmm? Why is Bernie -8 generally he has gotten positive coverage
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:34 PM
Sep 2015

Biden is the best liked Democrat. Maybe he should run.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
21. I'm most interested in seeing how he polls in MI, WI, PA, OH
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:48 PM
Sep 2015

I bet the favorability and H2H gap would be even wider in his favor. Would also like to see a Biden vs Kasich H2H poll in those states.

Those recent MI polls have me spooked. We need a candidate who can connect with hardworking Americans.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
10. Favorability ratings don't mean much.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:35 PM
Sep 2015

Look at graphs from every election during primary season and they usually go down, then when a nominee is announced and party's unite behind their candidate favorability goes right back up.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
12. They mean a lot
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:39 PM
Sep 2015

Obama had positive favorability ratings both times he won the election. McCain also had positive, Romney less so, but both were not as low as Clinton's. Kerry and G.W. Bush were split down the middle.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
16. Nah, Obama went underwater in 2012 and won reelection.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:53 PM
Sep 2015

Also, you realize these numbers include republicans who will never vote for her. Her favs among Dems is very high.

 
27. And one has to figure out how much Democrats she has to back her up
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:59 PM
Sep 2015

if she wins the nomination... without Sanders, Clinton just has the Democratic voters who vote D after their names, nothing more.

Sanders, however, has consistently attracted all kinds of people, - Republicans, Socialists, Green, Democrats, Independents, Liberterians, progressives, conservatives and more.

And they will all vote for Bernie if he is the nominee in the end.

I think Bernie Sanders is the way to go. Just waiting for the debates to confirm.

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
30. I still don't get the libertarian angle
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:06 PM
Sep 2015

I fully support Hillary, but of course will vote for Sanders if he wins the primary--although my close second choice is O'Malley

Sanders is anithical to everything Libertarians stand for, and I can't see them actual voting for him in the primary. The active Libertarians I know simply hate Hillary with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, and they are indifferent at this point to Sanders

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
34. Still
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:30 PM
Sep 2015

Generally they are anti-regulation, anti-tax, free market proponents. Sanders is none of these things. I think perhaps politically naive younger voters attracted to libertarianism out of dissatisfaction with a two party system, could be brought around-- perhaps. It's the form taxes would have to take that a Social Democrat would need to fulfill his agenda that is going to be a huge battle both during the primarie debates and with congress should he win--politically savvy libertarians know this. And whatever happens with trade agreements--they do have them in some form, probably not to a libertarians liking. Sanders social positions would attract them I guess.

Anyway, no worries--I'm just pondering-I know Liberatrian thought fairly well from hours of arguing with my brother

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
37. True libetarians would actually be close to Sanders on certain military issues,
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:34 AM
Sep 2015

having opposed the Iraq war-- non-interventionism and such... and pot policy. I am expecting Sanders to come out or marijuana legalization.

Rand Paul isn't a true libertarian.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
31. That's because his favorability was still higher than RMoney's
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:07 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think his personal favorability ever dipped below 45%, his approval numbers did but Obama has always maintained higher personal favorable numbers.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
15. Carson is easily the least-known quantity in the listed group -
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:53 PM
Sep 2015

his unfavorables will go up once more people start getting to know the guy.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. The one that has her 35 points ahead of Bernie? And also doing better against the GOP?
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 01:56 PM
Sep 2015

Not to mention that she's ahead of every GOP candidate except Carson, who she's tied with. Weird that you would miss all that.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
18. I didn't miss that, it's in the paragraph
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:03 PM
Sep 2015

Did you not read it? However, the difference is Clinton is universally known and has been going down in each poll combined with the ratio of her fav/unfav, it's not looking to good. A lead of 2 points against Donald Trump when both are equally known is a disaster

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
19. All together now: Biden does better than Clinton and Sanders because he's not in the race (yet). But
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:12 PM
Sep 2015

more importantly, general election polls this far out don't mean all that much (according to Nate Silver). Basically what I'm saying is...everybody relax.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
20. I don't think it's that black and white at this point
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:44 PM
Sep 2015

The Biden trial balloons reported both the good and the bad. All of his issues that didn't sit well with the progressive wing have been aired out by multiple news sources over the past few weeks. Despite those tests, his favorability ratings are still above water, and he matches up the best against GOP opponents.

If this were early July I'd agree with you. September 3rd, not so much. I think he's the candidate that can bring Democrats to the polls while keeping a lot of GOPers at home.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
25. Yes, I agree. Biden gets working class whites, independents and the
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:55 PM
Sep 2015

Obama Coalition. I think Biden's campaign structure is already in place and whenever he announces, he can hit the ground running. But if BIDEN does not get in I'm prepared to vote for HRC.

 
29. Biden does better than Clinton and Sanders because he's not in the race (yet). But
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:01 PM
Sep 2015

more importantly, general election polls this far out don't mean all that much (according to Nate Silver). Basically what I'm saying is...everybody relax.

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bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
26. Every single day there's a new poll out with drastic changes than the last polling
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:58 PM
Sep 2015

Which tells me polling done in September of 2015 means nothing on a election that isn't until November 2016.These polling outfits are nothing but money making corporations.Now all of a.sudden this year's so called polling is all about favorbility and unfavorable polls which don't mean shit.Me personally I'm not sweating the polls

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
28. I am not worried about Carson.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:01 PM
Sep 2015

Sorry to say it but I just do not believe that the GOP is evolved enough to nominate a person of color. There are just to many racists in the base to allow a viable path to the nomination for him. They might tell a pollster that they will vote for him, but I really doubt it. Same goes for Carly. I don't see them nominating a woman either.

If Jesus Christ himself descended from Heaven and ran for the Republican Nomination they would decide he isn't white enough.


LettuceSea

(337 posts)
33. I agree, but think Carson's presence would help us all stay out of the mud in our primary
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:20 PM
Sep 2015

Esp when it comes to the AA and Hispanic vote. It would prevent a spirited primary battle from turning into a "who's blacker?" mudslinging contest in both the primary and general. Doing that with Carson in the background would be absolute political suicide for our party, as it should be for anyone who engages in that crap.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
36. Carson provides cover for racists.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:53 PM
Sep 2015

I can just hear Republicans saying, "See, I'm not a racist. I support a black guy for POTUS." Never mind that Carson is an Uncle Tom. Never mind that seeming to like an individual says nothing about the way in which one generalizes about the group. Never mind that seeming to like certain individuals of color doesn't keep one from failing to recognize institutional racism.

Anyway, as for the favorability ratings, it goes to show how much personality and style matter. As this article points out, Carson is just as extreme as Trump, but his personality and style is vastly different.

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