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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 07:30 AM Sep 2015

Will Joe pass the Elizabeth Warren test?...Biden: "I’m not a populist like Bernie"

I read 2 articles this morning that are interesting & at the same time disappointing. I was hoping Joe was a closet populist & dreams of running the country for the people (iow, as a populist) with Elizabeth as his VP. I don't think its meant to be...

Biden: I’m not a populist like Bernie
The Hill
9/3/15

Vice President Biden's comments about Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) stole the show at a Wednesday fundraising event in which Biden skipped talk of his own presidential plans.

"I’m not a populist like Bernie," Biden told a group of donors in Miami, according to an attendee who spoke to a pool reporter. The vice president added that Sanders "was doing a great job exciting his crowds," the person said.

Biden’s comment about Sanders came in front of a crowd that was filled with Clinton supporters. The event's host, Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), is backing the former secretary of State's presidential campaign.

“You can love Joe and you can love Hillary at the same time," the person in the audience said. "And I think there were a lot of people in the room that felt that way."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252624-biden-im-not-a-populist-like-bernie



The Elizabeth Warren test: Why Joe Biden’s presidential run may be over before it begins
by David Sirota
SALON
9/4/15

If the vice president decides to enter the race, he faces the scorn of his party's most influential progressive

As Vice President Joe Biden reportedly mulls a bid for the U.S. presidency, his champions portray him as a credible alternative to Democratic Party front-runner Hillary Clinton, who faces accusations that she is beholden to the financial industry. But a Biden campaign risks confronting the scorn of one of the party’s most influential progressives, Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Though Biden has reportedly sought her favor, Warren has historically disdained, charging him with acting as a tool of the credit card industry by limiting debt relief for people grappling with financial troubles.

As a Harvard law professor in 2002, Warren published a journal article excoriating Biden for playing a leading role in delivering legislation that made it more difficult for Americans to reduce debts through bankruptcy filings. As the senator from Delaware, Biden’s repeated push for the bill — signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2005 — amounted to “vigorous support of legislation that hurts women,” Warren declared. She said “the group that will be most affected by the changes in the bankruptcy legislation Senator Biden so forcefully supports will be women, particularly women heads of household who are supporting children.”

...Snip...

“He has shielded his colleagues on both sides of the aisle from being branded as anti-women for their support of this legislation,” Warren wrote. “Senator Biden can publicly support one very visible piece of legislation on behalf of women, satisfying his duty and assuring the loyal support of millions of women. He is then free to be a zealous advocate on behalf of one of his biggest contributors, the financial services industry, and still position himself as a champion for women.”

While some Democratic activists are pining for a Biden-Warren ticket, Warren’s writing suggests such a political marriage would be more than a bit complicated.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/04/the_elizabeth_warren_test_why_joe_bidens_presidential_run_may_be_over_before_it_begins_partner/


Go, Bernie or O'Malley, Go!

& may We the People get our Populist agenda someday soon! Its sure not going to happen if we elect another Corporate Establishment Dem...

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Mass

(27,315 posts)
2. Populism is not necessarily good. Some populist movements may be bad or may be coopted by dictators
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 07:55 AM
Sep 2015

(See the success of Donald Trump, for example), as can elitist movements. History is full of such movements.

This is why I do not make the idea of somebody defining themselves as populist a litmus test. Example : Sanders good. Trump bad. Robert Byrd was ALWAYS a populist. The Byrd of the 21rst century was somebody I respected a lot. The Byrd of the 20th century was a bigoted person I had no respect for.

For the matter, I like O'Malley (he is actually my favorite before Sanders), but he is hardly a populist. He is a good old progressive, but his support in single digits the polls hardly qualifies him as a populist in its original definition.

So, I will have to look into what Biden stands for to know whether I like him or not, but I am happy for him not to pander by stating he is a populist.

Definition of populism :

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/populist
a member of a political party claiming to represent the common people; especially often capitalized : a member of a United States political party formed in 1891 primarily to represent agrarian interests and to advocate the free coinage of silver and government control of monopolies
2
: a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtues of the common people

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
4. A populist supports the COMMON people, not the banks, corporations, and 1%.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:14 AM
Sep 2015

Corporate Democrats supporting the banks, corporations, and 1% hasn't worked out so well for the 99%.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
5. True that! We need the populism of the FDR era once more.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:19 AM
Sep 2015

We need The Populism of the FDR Era once more. Make our country great again.

For the People, By the People.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
8. You are sh*t stirring. We mean populism as in the link provided above. And you know it.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:32 AM
Sep 2015
Populism 2015 Platform: Building A Movement for People and the Planet


Rebuild America for the 21st Century and Create Jobs for All.

America’s public infrastructure – from roads to rail to water and energy systems – is increasingly dangerous to our health and a drag on our economy. National investment in rebuilding America will create millions of high-quality jobs, bid wages up, help close the racial jobs gap, and make America a better place to live and work.

Raise Wages, Empower Workers and Reverse Inequality.

Inequality has reached new extremes, as more and more jobs become contingent and part-time, with low pay and few benefits. We should lift the floor under every worker by guaranteeing a living wage, paid sick and vacation days, and affordable health care. We should empower workers to form unions and bargain collectively. We must curb perverse CEO compensation policies that give executives personal incentives to plunder their own companies.

Invest in a Green Economy.

Catastrophic climate change is a clear and present danger. The United States should lead the global green revolution that builds strong and resilient communities. Public investment in renewable energy and energy efficiency can create jobs and opportunity, particularly in communities of color that have borne the worst consequences of toxic corporate practices.

Eliminate Institutionalized Racism to Open Opportunity to All.

In a society of increasing diversity, ending systemic racial disparities is vital to building economic prosperity. This begins with comprehensive immigration reform, expanded voting rights and an end to mass incarceration and the systematic criminalization of people of color.

Guarantee Women’s Economic Equality.

We will ensure that women are guaranteed the same pay, protections and opportunities as men in the workplace and in society. Families must have access to high-quality child care and paid leave from the workplace for childbirth, illness and vacation. Women must also be guaranteed affordable health care and a secure retirement – with Social Security credit for work in the household.

Provide a High-Quality Education to Every Child


Every child must have the right to high-quality, free public education from preschool to college. This requires providing the basics – preschool, smaller classes, summer and after-school programs, and skilled teachers. Free four-year, post-high school education should be available for all who seek it. We must also provide relief to the generation now burdened with a student debt that they may never pay off.

Expand Shared Security for the 21st Century.

No child should go hungry in America. Health care should be a right, not a privilege. Every worker deserves a secure retirement. A job should be available to everyone willing and able to work. We will strengthen and expand America’s shared security programs – Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, food support and housing assistance. Greater shared security makes the economy more robust by enabling entrepreneurs and workers to take risks, knowing that they can survive failure.

Enforce Fair Taxes on Corporations and the Wealthy.

Our tax code rigs the rules to favor the few. Multinationals pay lower tax rates than small domestic businesses. Billionaire investors pay lower rates than their secretaries. Top income tax rates have been lowered even as working people face ever-higher sales taxes and fees. It is time for the rich and corporations to pay their fair share of taxes so that we can invest in an economy that will work for all.

Forge a Global Strategy that Works for Working People.

Our global trade and tax policies are rigged by multinational companies to drive down pay and worker protections while harming the environment. We need more but balanced trade, global standards that protect the rights of workers, consumers and the environment. That requires a crackdown on tax havens, currency manipulation, and deals that allow corporation to trample basic labor rights here and abroad.

Make Wall Street Serve the Real Economy.

Financial deregulation has devastated our economy and protected banks that are too big to fail, too big to manage and too big to jail. The financial casino fosters ever more dangerous speculation, while investment in the real economy lags. The resulting booms and busts devastate families and small businesses. We need to break up the big banks, levy a speculation tax, and provide low-income families with safe and affordable banking services. We should crack down on payday lenders and other schemes that exploit vulnerable working families.

Change Priorities to Address Real Security Needs.

Our current national security policies commit us to policing the world. The result costs lives and drains public resources. We need a real security policy that makes military intervention a last resort, and focuses on global threats like climate change, poverty and inequality. We should reduce military budgets and properly support humanitarian programs.

Fight for Democracy and Curb the Power of Big Money.

From big-money politics to the assault on the right to vote and a corrupted lobby culture in Washington, our democracy is under assault. It is no accident that the assault has escalated as a new majority of people of color, young people and working women has begun to emerge. We need to close the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington, and expose the entrenched interests that buy our legislators. We need public financing of elections that bans corporate and big money. We must guarantee the right to vote, with easy access to registration and the polls.

no_hypocrisy

(46,170 posts)
3. I think Joe Biden inadvertently mischaracterized Bernie Sanders as "populist".
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:11 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie has been consistently progressive and independent of popular sentiment for decades. He stands for principle, not People.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. The opposite of populism is -unfortunately- elitism
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:41 AM
Sep 2015

Well to be honest, Biden isn't saying he isn't a populist he is just saying he is not one of those populists like Bernie Sanders who promote government of, by and doing things for the people. That Sanders sort of populism is scary or something.


Stardust

(3,894 posts)
12. Do we honestly know what Biden meant? Maybe it was a Freudian slip...maybe he shares the
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:17 PM
Sep 2015

beltway crowd consensus that populism is to be scorned. I've heard the term used derisively many times by the pundits and it always confounds me. Why wouldn't a politician be first and foremost a populist?!? Rhetorical question...I know the answer.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. DCdems contain a lot of folks with DLC background...the DLC was quite strictly elitist
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:35 PM
Sep 2015

Anyone who has hungout with DCdems for many years gets soft to the notion that populism is governance by the slow witted rabble.

I refuse to support anyone in a primary who has been a DLC member on the basis that the person demonstrated at least assent to elitism.

There's a pretty long list of folks I'll never support in a primary.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
10. I could never picture a Biden/Warren ticket
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:51 AM
Sep 2015

Ever. I'm not sure what people were thinking when they thought that one up.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
11. I can't imaging Elizabeth supporting any Third Way candidate.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

Joe and Hillary share the same voter pool and will split that vote, and that can only benefit Bernie.

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