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Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:01 AM Sep 2015

The Clinton Hate Algorithm

START --> Hate the Clintons
STEP 1 --> Scan the media for any hint of impropriety
STEP 2 --> Investigate the impropriety
STEP 3 --> If the investigation turns up nothing, keep investigating
STEP 4 --> Use the fact of an investigation to cast aspersion onto Clinton even though the investigation found nothing
STEP 5 --> Repeat STEPS 3 and 4
STEP 6 --> When repeated investigations fail, find some other tangential impropriety to investigate
STEP 7 --> Repeat STEPS 2 through 4
STEP 8 --> When all of the investigations finally exhaust themselves, quietly report that nothing was found
END --> Repeat the entire loop

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The Clinton Hate Algorithm (Original Post) Yavin4 Sep 2015 OP
That about nails it. leftofcool Sep 2015 #1
I think that all future Democrats should inoculate themselves from email fishing expeditions virtualobserver Sep 2015 #5
EXCELLENT idea, VO! eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #6
Yes! Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #16
double nails it riversedge Sep 2015 #42
There may be some truth to that but why do you suppose it didn't work with Obama? tularetom Sep 2015 #2
Obama has always been very good at meeting the bullshit head on and putting it to bed morningfog Sep 2015 #3
I believe you are correct. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #41
There were major crisises when Obama ran in 2008 Yavin4 Sep 2015 #4
There were major crisises when Hillary ran in 2008 Lordquinton Sep 2015 #36
54% of Republicans polled believe President Obama is Muslim, according to a PPP poll BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #7
yep, they know a "muslim" when they see one virtualobserver Sep 2015 #8
Especially when M$M continues to be considered as "neutral" news reporting instead of the BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #10
Touché! Some folks need to get caught up on the extremism in the GOP "base" Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #9
Sadly... Garrett78 Sep 2015 #43
STEP 1 --> Lie down with dogs; STEP 2 --> Declare fleas a "vast rightwing conspiracy"... Romulox Sep 2015 #11
KABOOM Indepatriot Sep 2015 #13
Self delete oasis Sep 2015 #14
If you apply those same rules when a GOP witchhunt oasis Sep 2015 #14
Much shorter and better answer than mine! Demeter Sep 2015 #23
Thread winner. hifiguy Sep 2015 #39
Step one: get your campaign lackey to set up your own server for all your communications TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #12
Careful, I got a hide yesterday for suggesting she benefitted from marrying Bill! 7962 Sep 2015 #18
Of course she benefitted from marrying him. And he benefitted from marrying her. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #19
See John Kerry n/t Yavin4 Sep 2015 #22
Him too. Marry someone of either gender with ambition, helpful connections, money, TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #27
Except, Kerry was already a top politician- a second term Senator when he met Teresa and married her karynnj Sep 2015 #30
John Kerry was a very accomplished second term Senator when he married the woman that he loves karynnj Sep 2015 #29
Winner of the "Why is everyone going after HRC" award! d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #20
Look, if you don't like Hillary because of her stances on issues that really matter. Fine. Yavin4 Sep 2015 #25
Right... d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #38
No one would look good under the scrutiny that you apply to the Clintons. Yavin4 Sep 2015 #24
He did? Where was that reported, because I missed it. I read he used a private (commercial) email TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #28
. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #17
Elizabeth Warren v. Hillary Clinton video justaddh2o Sep 2015 #33
In 1990, I knew nothing about Bill and Hlllary Demeter Sep 2015 #21
'there's a REASON why people do not trust, want or support any more "public service" from this coupl Yavin4 Sep 2015 #26
Cute, but actually ++reading the emaills++ Not taking the media take on it, wait I am part of media nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #31
Condensed: She brought this on herself, takes no responsibility for it, and her supporters yawn. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #32
Step 8 never happens. The rest is spot on. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #34
The opposite of both love and hate is indifference. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #35
An easy simple fix for that. 99Forever Sep 2015 #37
The Clinton Rules mcar Sep 2015 #40
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
5. I think that all future Democrats should inoculate themselves from email fishing expeditions
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

my solution would be that no matter what the subject matter of each email, every sentence
should include some damning or embarrassing true statement about Republicans.

ex: Our discussions concerning reasonable gun control have been moving along nicely,
almost as smoothly as they did when Ronald Reagan signed the bill banning open carry in California.

the Republicans are usually hypocritical on every issue under the sun, so it would be easy
to create a handy booklet or app that gives you a phrase for every occasion.











tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. There may be some truth to that but why do you suppose it didn't work with Obama?
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

They tried the same thing, some of them are still trying it, but nothing has stuck. Nobody believes he's a Kenyan, a Muslim, or whatever. There is just no basis for any of their bullshit and people realize it.

Not so for the Clintons. There's always been a hint of sliminess and shady dealings around them, so when people hear these rumors, they are more disposed to pay attention.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
3. Obama has always been very good at meeting the bullshit head on and putting it to bed
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:15 AM
Sep 2015

in a news cycle or two.

He is better at message control and with heading these kinds of issues off at the pass.

Hillary is horrible at it. Part of me thinks she would prefer to be dogged by the nonsense than discuss issues or her competitors.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
41. I believe you are correct.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 06:25 PM
Sep 2015
Part of me thinks she would prefer to be dogged by the nonsense than discuss issues or her competitors.


We aren't having a serious national discussion about important issues. I honestly think she prefers the distraction of the repurcussions of her private server over being tethered to a lecturn and being put on the spot.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
4. There were major crisises when Obama ran in 2008
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:22 AM
Sep 2015

The economy was in the midst of a 2nd Great Depression and two wars. People didn't have time for bullshit investigations.

In 1992 and now 2015, things are a bit calmer, so there's room for bullshit.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
7. 54% of Republicans polled believe President Obama is Muslim, according to a PPP poll
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:38 AM
Sep 2015

conducted at the start of this month (09/01/2015).

Due to millions being spent in order to demonize the Clintons throughout the 90's, with U.S. M$M propagating each and every conspiracy theory and no internet to counter them - most of which were outright lies - Republican and Libertarian elitists successfully created an air of "shadiness" around the Clintons. I'm sorry, but I'm not that gullible especially when I consider the source(s).

Had Bernie Sanders been president in the 90's, he would have carried a cloud of shadiness around him today, as well. Had President Obama ran for president in the 90's, he wouldn't have made it.

Thanks to Al Gore's foresight and push, the Interwebs became a reality, and Obama has been the beneficiary of that as his team countered each and every Republican lie while hitting back fast and hard despite the M$M working hard to promote Republicans.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
10. Especially when M$M continues to be considered as "neutral" news reporting instead of the
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

GOP-propaganda machine it's become. People falsely believe that what they get from their broadcast/cable news outlets are unbiased news reports. Nothing can be further from the truth. Everything is reported in a way to make people feel suspicious, especially when it comes to reporting on Democrats. Look how they're demonizing Hillary Clinton today while completely ignoring that Bush and Cheney had deleted over 22 million e-mails and Jeb Bush used his own server and private e-mail, jeb@jeb.org, to conduct sensitive State business, and when he left office in 2007, he took his server with him.

As governor, Bush used his account, jeb@jeb.org, to conduct official, political and personal business, including plans to woo new businesses to the state, judicial appointments and military matters, the e-mail records show. His e-mail server was housed at the governor’s office in Tallahassee during his two terms; he took it with him when he left office in 2007. He later turned over about 280,000 e-mails for state archives under the requirements of Florida records laws, or about half of the total e-mails on the server.

In one e-mail sent four days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the top general for the Florida Air National Guard told Bush that “we are actively planning sequences in preparation for mobilization orders should they come.”

“They have not come at this time,” wrote Ronald O. Harrison, who was adjutant general of Florida. “We are pretty good at anticipating the type of forces potentially needed and are prepared to respond to the Presidents call.”

“Keep me informed of the mobilization,” Bush wrote in reply.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-jeb-bush-used-e-mail-to-discuss-security-troop-movements/2015/03/14/0d7fae16-ca49-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html


A Pew Research study in 2012 showed that the sitting president, Obama, received the least favorable coverage across the board. In contrast, Perry and Romney got the most favorable. This study shows that U.S. M$M cannot be trusted when reporting on Democrats as opposed to Republicans. Everyone on the left side of center and center should distrust U.S. news.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
43. Sadly...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:09 PM
Sep 2015

there are still quite a few people who believe Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim, if surveys are to be trusted.

oasis

(49,406 posts)
14. If you apply those same rules when a GOP witchhunt
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:18 PM
Sep 2015

is launched against any Democratic candidate, then double KABOOM!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
12. Step one: get your campaign lackey to set up your own server for all your communications
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 12:51 PM
Sep 2015

so that you can hide from your "enemies" and avoid anything that may jeopardize your Presidential run

Step 2: Get said lackey a job at the State Dept. for which he is probably not qualified in order to keep up the hidden communications throughout your tenure

Step 3: Quit your cabinet post, never turn in any of your emails, even the ones Congress and FOIA's are asking about

Step 4: Engage Clinton Persecution Complex when people start asking questions

Step 5: Lie outright about "one device for convenience" after you've already bragged about the multiple devices you like to use

Step 6: Everything's overclassified, don'tcha think?

Step 7: Wait for lackeys to crawl under bus for you, get ready to shove them there if they don't look very willing.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. Careful, I got a hide yesterday for suggesting she benefitted from marrying Bill!
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:31 PM
Sep 2015

Certainly without him she still would have been a successful attorney somewhere, but does anyone honestly think she would've attained what she has without him?
But i was called the usual; "misogynist" "sexist'. 4-3

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
19. Of course she benefitted from marrying him. And he benefitted from marrying her.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:40 PM
Sep 2015

Silly for anyone to deny that who you marry can make or break you, as if partnerships don't matter. Look at John McCain and his beer-fortune wife. He definitely benefitted politically in AZ from that marriage.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
27. Him too. Marry someone of either gender with ambition, helpful connections, money,
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:20 PM
Sep 2015

great reputation, famous family name, and you stand to benefit. It's not necessarily a negative, it's just a fact.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
30. Except, Kerry was already a top politician- a second term Senator when he met Teresa and married her
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:35 PM
Sep 2015

Not to mention, his own family was as connected as one might want - and their wealth was sufficient that he had no real financial problems - even when he was not rich. Even before he entered politics, he had already made history speaking before the SFRC.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
29. John Kerry was a very accomplished second term Senator when he married the woman that he loves
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:29 PM
Sep 2015

Obviously, that did make life financially easier for him, but he was already a member of a wealthy family

Teresa was incredibly rich, but Kerry was a member of a wealthy family so he never faced any real financial hardships. Although his personal life was obviously a lot happier with Teresa, his political aspirations had nothing to do with her wealth.

In fact, unlike anyone else - not the McCains or Clintons - it was argued that Teresa could contribute only the maximum that anyone could contribute.

While you can argue, that it is likely that on her own, HRC might never have entered politics or that she would not have gone as far. It is true, that because she DID marry Bill Clinton and he did become President, there is no way to really consider what her life would have been otherwise. -- there is no way to argue that about Kerry. He was asked at 27 by the host of 60 minutes if he wanted to be President. He won his first two elected offices against the party favorites by his own hard work and appeal.



















d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
20. Winner of the "Why is everyone going after HRC" award!
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:56 PM
Sep 2015

If you shoot yourself in the foot, you can't blame the wing nuts for pulling the trigger.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
25. Look, if you don't like Hillary because of her stances on issues that really matter. Fine.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:10 PM
Sep 2015

But, you don't help your cause to jump on these bullshit Clinton scandals. They distract from the real issues that matter and it gives the infotainment media something to talk about instead of the real issues.

In fact, this shit may wind up helping her in the end because she IS being persecuted over complete bullshit.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
38. Right...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 04:07 PM
Sep 2015
But, you don't help your cause to jump on these bullshit Clinton scandals. They distract from the real issues that matter and it gives the infotainment media something to talk about instead of the real issues.


And what exactly is my cause? I don't need to smear Clinton if she's doing a fine job at it.

In fact, this shit may wind up helping her in the end because she IS being persecuted over complete bullshit.


So why complain about it then?

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
24. No one would look good under the scrutiny that you apply to the Clintons.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:07 PM
Sep 2015

Colin Powell had his own server.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
28. He did? Where was that reported, because I missed it. I read he used a private (commercial) email
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:26 PM
Sep 2015

account. They can all have and use private accounts, but they're supposed to be conducting their business nowadays primarily on .gov, and if they use private accounts then they're supposed to turn over their correspondence for archiving.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
21. In 1990, I knew nothing about Bill and Hlllary
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:05 PM
Sep 2015

they seemed like nice people, liberal and populist and smart and good public servants.

Then they started being recorded in public: words, actions, and so forth.

THAT'S where your algorithm starts....there's a REASON why people do not trust, want or support any more "public service" from this couple.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
26. 'there's a REASON why people do not trust, want or support any more "public service" from this coupl
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:13 PM
Sep 2015

Um...Bill Clinton was elected president twice in 1992 and 1996. Hillary Clinton was elected senator of the NY in 2000. Hillary came in 2nd place in a heated presidential primary in 2008, and then she served as Sec. of State.

So, the facts seem to be in opposition to your statement:

"there's a REASON why people do not trust, want or support any more "public service" from this couple."

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
31. Cute, but actually ++reading the emaills++ Not taking the media take on it, wait I am part of media
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:36 PM
Sep 2015

and I do not know where or when that became part of the algorithm... and it should be either one or two.

1.- Bunker mentality from the Ciintons.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
34. Step 8 never happens. The rest is spot on.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 02:51 PM
Sep 2015

Step 8 is actually --> Claim that "troubling questions remain", and return to Step 1

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
35. The opposite of both love and hate is indifference.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 03:22 PM
Sep 2015

I don't love or hate candidates.

I think they should be treated with skepticism and their histories known and discussed.

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Harry Truman

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