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Related: About this forumOnly 1,000 attend Clinton event
After a huge publicity campaign buildup for the Labor Day weekend kick-off
of Women for Hillary" in Portsmouth, NH
only 1,000 supporters showed up?
"Im a proud lifelong fighter for womens issues,
Clinton told a crowd of about 1,000 supporters
that gathered outside Portsmouth Junior High School
for the Labor Day weekend kick-off of Women for Hillary.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-nh-women-213369#ixzz3kttfJWof
MADem
(135,425 posts)Rarely has Hillary Clinton campaigned on womens issues so openly and unequivocally as she did on Saturday in New Hampshire.
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. -- In a state with a history of electing women to its highest offices, and on the 20th anniversary of her famous speech in Beijing, where as First Lady she declared womens rights are human rights and human rights are womens rights, Hillary Clinton defined the entire economic agenda of her 2016 campaign as a women's issue.
For the Democratic front-runner, the backdrop for her speech had special meaning -- this early-voting state is the one where Clinton herself shattered a glass ceiling in 2008 by becoming the first woman to win a presidential primary.
Im a proud lifelong fighter for womens issues, Clinton told a crowd of about 1,000 supporters that gathered outside Portsmouth Junior High School for the Labor Day weekend kick-off of Women for Hillary.
She shared the stage with Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, a former governor and longtime supporter who officially endorsed Clintons campaign Saturday. I firmly believe whats good for women is good for America, Clinton said.
Clinton has been embracing her gender since her kickoff rally on Roosevelt Island last June, but the Women for Hillary rally marked the first time she placed her entire domestic and economic agenda in terms of how it affects womens lives.
More at link....
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-nh-women-213369#ixzz3ktvIsjay
Despite your attempt at negative framing, thank you for bringing the article to my attention.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
MADem
(135,425 posts)The thread starter doesn't understand that Clinton's events are by invitation in many cases--if you're on her mailing list, or Jeanne Shaheen's, you'd get an invite to this thing. She doesn't just throw open the doors for all the liberatarians and Paulbots to wander in--it's not how she's running her NH campaign. People who don't like it are probably not her supporters anyway. She doesn't want to talk AT people, she wants to talk TO and WITH them, and Mega-Church events don't work for that kind of messaging.
It frustrates the hell out of people that she's running her own style of campaign. You'd think -- if they really believed the evangelical events were evidence of a winning strategy--they'd be pleased and just go on their merry way, instead of carping at this "obvious underdog" who knows that every single person in the room is committed to her...!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)This isn't about her!
It's about who is best for the American people.
Remember them?
MADem
(135,425 posts)You don't like her.
No one is demanding that you do, but that comment was pretty doggone pointless.
You don't rule the world. It's not your decision, and she can run her campaign as she sees fit.
Even if YOU don't like it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It's not a matter of liking her. A presidential election should be about THE PEOPLE, not some self-serving, power hungry politician.
Or does that not matter in Hillaryland?
Come to think of it, I guess not: closed, private and too-expensive-for-the-working class galas, a DNC at her beck and call to limit debates and a fan base that makes comments like "she can run HER campaign as she sees fit" while criticizing other candidates' campaigns all amount to this being about her and NOT about me or any other American.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The article is great, and the responses by HRC's detractors do not cover them in glory--as your example so succintly indicates.
I've never seen such childish "support" for poor Sen. Sanders in my life. You'd think you would spend more time praising your candidate. Instead, you post bitter little Republican-style graphics that punctuate your childish ire!!
It's so "cool" that you're carrying GOP water with such .... verve! Pat yourselves on the back!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Notice how you're the one with the snarky "Hillaryland" comments?
Adults don't have a need to play "Bernieland" games. I'd never think of doing that schoolyard, immature shit.
You keep on showing us what you're all about, though!!
If you think her tactics are such a big FAIL, why don't you rest on your self-satisfied, victorious laurels instead of snarking and whinging?
FWIW, the event was not a "gala"--it was an RSVP event. Free admission. Committed supporters attended. Why you have a problem with this (and plainly--based on the posts you keep flinging at me, aimlessly and pointlessly--you do) is your issue.
You sure don't sound too confident to me--or anyone else reading your gripes.
No one is forcing you to "like" her. Why are you acting like that's the case? This victim attitude is getting wearying.
As for HER campaign, she will run it the way SHE wants to--not the way you--a NON-supporter--wants her to run it. Why would anyone in the HRC camp take your crummy advice? You hate her, you don't want her to win.
The chickens don't vote for the colonel, either.
Feh. Like I said, stop with the whining. Either support your candidate, or don't--but don't tell your "enemy" how they should do their job, and expect ANYONE to take you seriously.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Her style of campaign appears to be pretty exclusive. While Bernie's is inclusive. Are you seriously thinking this is the way for a candidate to win support, from whom?
MADem
(135,425 posts)brooklynite
(94,604 posts)And let's be honest. you never checked; you just assumed it was true because "we all know" Clinton doesn't want to meet with the public.
But a good stereotype is hard to give up.....
MADem
(135,425 posts)I know her events are more scrutinized because there are weirdos out there who wish her ill. That RSVP list makes it easier for the secret service to get a quick rundown on who is going to be there.
I did check. I even provided an image of the RSVP e-card in this thread. "Open to the public" doesn't mean "Don't let us know you're coming." Sure, if someone shows up they'll probably give them the hairy eyeball and let them in, and maybe herd them to a particular section.
Clinton's events ARE smaller and more tightly controlled than Sanders. Then again, Clinton's events have a different focus each time--this one in Portsmouth was about women. She sometimes does "issue" events, and she also does Q and A which Sanders does not do. She doesn't stand at a lectern and bellow, she talks TO people--not AT them.
Sanders, by contrast, fills a room, and delivers the exact same stump speech each time. There's no mystery. It's lather, rinse, repeat.
I'm not "stereotyping." I'm telling it like it is. There IS a difference in the way these campaigns are run. Clinton gets a thousand people in the room and talks to them, and the news reports it--radio, TV, newspapers--to MILLIONS. Why? Because she is saying something DIFFERENT every time she appears. Sanders is saying the same thing, over and over, so there's less to report, save the attendance figures and demographics. Kucinich and Dean could fill a room too--it didn't help them, now, did it?
Gloria
(17,663 posts)are free-ticketed, I would bet they are motivated and many will become volunteers.
MADem
(135,425 posts)These are people that Jeanne Shaheen knows will come through for her.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Where's the video panning across the whole venue? And why did the Clinton campaign downsize the venue at the last minute?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Event switched from Leary Field to middle school
By Jesse Scardina
jscardina@seacoastonline.com
Posted Sep. 4, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Updated Sep 4, 2015 at 6:24 PM
PORTSMOUTH Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clintons campaign stop in the city has been moved from Leary Field to the nearby middle school.
A stage and podium with a U.S. flag in the background was being erected Friday afternoon outside Portsmouth Middle School, as the location for Clintons appearance, where the former secretary of state is expected to be endorsed by U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.
City Manager John Bohenko said the city billed Clintons campaign $3,656 for use of the field, police, public works and recreation department resources and that payment was received Thursday.
How embarrassing!
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not about crowd size--she's not trying to convert people, she's preaching to the already converted. The people who were there were INVITED and they'll go away to organize and GOTV.
She doesn't have to 'convince' people. That's not how her campaign works.
It's a different methodology from the "Preach to libertarians, Paulbots, curiosity seekers, and enthusiasts, and hope it all sticks" methodology.
Sanders does the same speech, over and over again. HRC doesn't do that. Her messages are targeted. It's a different approach--no need to get angry or snarky, now...it's just a different way of doing things.
If you don't think it's a good plan, then you should be pleased....no need to snipe~!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)There was an announcement asking people to attend (at the original, larger venue)- not exactly individual invitations.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/view/?id=411436
September 5, 2015, 10:00am1:00pm EDT
Women for Hillary Kick-Off with Hillary Clinton and Jeanne Shaheen in Portsmouth
195 Parrott Ave
Portsmouth, NH 03801
Map this location
Official event
Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen will kick-off New Hampshire Women for Hillary in Portsmouth on Saturday, September 5th.
So come join us on Saturday to hear from Hillary and Senator Shaheen!
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150904/NEWS/150909568
Then there was this open invitation, which got a massive THREE RSVPs
http://www.atheistvoter.org/20150905-clinton-portsmouth
Hillary Clinton - Portsmouth, NH Campaign Event
Hillary Clinton will be speaking at the kick-off event for New Hampshire Women for Hillary in Portsmouth, NH.
Organizers of this event have asked that you RSVP with their official event page. Please click here to RSVP.
Don't forget to RSVP with us below!
September 05, 2015 at 10am 1pm
3 people are going
3 RSVPS
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Did their subscriber list jump 50%, or was that an interloper?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)As some are trying to claim in a pathetic attempt to save face. And I'm still waiting to see ANY photo/video record of the alleged "crowd". So the Clinton campaign is technologically challenged?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)When it's a little but bigger crowd, it's about crowd size.
There's a smell of desperation in the Clinton clique.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If Clinton supporters are so "smelly-desperate," why aren't you .... happier?
delrem
(9,688 posts)then yes, it does become about crowd size.
It isn't as if Hillary's campaign lacks $$ to advertise, to ensure the very best professional promotion. That can't be denied. Hell, that's what Hillary's supporters have been crowing about for the last several months, as being Hillary's singular achievement, the singular credential that guarantees her "electability". So yes, MADem, crowd size more fitting to one of the bottom tier Republican candidates is a problem.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They sent out an email to the "list."
That was all the "work" they did.
Oh, and then they called the press, and made sure they got some dynamite coverage.
You don't understand that this event was not about people in a venue, it's about the press coverage after it--but since you don't get that, stay right where you are--in the dark about how this campaign is being managed. Here's some light reading for you:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420
How many NH voters do you think THOSE links reached? Hmmmmm? smh!
Keep kicking this thread, though--the OP article is great. It actually has some "campaign stuff" in it, as opposed to whining about personalities, and nitpicking.
Funny how so many Sanders supporters have no game when it comes to boosting their own candidate--they only come out to play when it involves tearing down the opposition.
That's not a good look, just so you know. But hey, keep on doing it, if you must! It's all on you, your words, your attitudes!
delrem
(9,688 posts)Bye!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Here, take these with you and read 'em on your way out the door...bet these reached a lot more than the thousand people you're whining about...
http://nhpr.org/post/shaheens-endorsement-clinton-comes-decades-nh-political-know-how
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566
https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/
delrem
(9,688 posts)Get a grip!
MADem
(135,425 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)because hardly anyone could be bothered to show.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)did they tell you how many were expected?
MADem
(135,425 posts)and TV coverage? How many people heard about what Jeanne Shaheen was up to in Portsmouth?"
http://nhpr.org/post/shaheens-endorsement-clinton-comes-decades-nh-political-know-how
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566
https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/
If you don't think that kind of coverage resonates, then keep thinking that way--it will make everyone happy. You plainly just don't understand what kind of campaign HRC is running, and you're proud of that.
I'll bet of the seven hundred thousand or so New Hampshire residents who are registered voters, that almost ALL of them were exposed to this story not just once, but several times--and without even being there.
They heard it on the radio driving to work, driving home from work, they saw it on TV, on the evening and nightly news, and they read about it in the papers.
All those people who voted for Jeanne, who put her in the Senate, who supported her as a Senator and as a Governor, they saw who she endorsed, heard what she had to say, and heard or read what her preferred candidate had to say.
If you want to dismiss that, please--go right ahead.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)I agree. It's neither helpful nor persuasive.
Worst of all, we're starting to sound like Congress.
MADem
(135,425 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)It was good enough for Crashcart on the Senate floor.
Because Crashcart was a model of civility.
MADem
(135,425 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)
mcar
(42,334 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)points she was making....on the weekend of LABOR DAY......Equality...Labor Day??? Get it?
They want to cause a big damn stink and pretend it was some abysmal turnout....so women do not pay attention to the feminist points the probable first female American President being made. Sad...weak and pathetic....so unworthy of a great man like Bernie Sanders too!
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)YES YES YES
What Hillary said needed to be said.
I couldn't care less who said it.
She deserves props for that.
And I'm a Sanders supporter.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Clinton will get more reported on this event than just the rally numbers.
Sanders won't get anything he said reported on, just the numbers.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That was some editorializing by the thread starter.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)This media blackout is not funny. It is the result of a real breakdown in democracy. Basically due to the Communications Act signed by Bill Clinton that has allowed the 1% to buy up and monopolize the media.
I must be mistaken. I thought all Democrats were upset about that.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Do you?
oasis
(49,392 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)oasis
(49,392 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)of all voters, in all Dem primaries.
In other words, Ill be happy when she loses the nomination.
oasis
(49,392 posts)My bad.
demwing
(16,916 posts)and if I have to explain, I was taking the question asked, extrapolating out, and answering in the broadest terms possible.
oasis
(49,392 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)then change your inputs.
oasis
(49,392 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)Hillary has quality. Pep rallys are nice, but they don't have one iota to do with whether the team wins or loses.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)Yeah, they do.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DSBstillaPat
MADem
(135,425 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)OP showed up.
And I'd not be surprised if most if not all of them have some experience volunteering for campaigns in NH, and have some talent in organizing, GOTV, etc.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)People who see Clinton have to pass Secret Service scrutiny.
It's just the way it is.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)I posted the link and excerpt above, if you could have been bothered to read them. Here it is again. Now, try to pay attention. The link gives the time, address and even a map for directions, and THERE IS NO MENTION OF OR REQUEST FOR AN RSVP ! ! ! ! ! !
Given the HRC campaign's crack organization skills, the venue was downsized only the day before. Don't know how they got the word out about that - but even you must concede that would have been too late to request RSVPs and provide for Secret Service screening.
As a matter of fact, the news report stated that the Clinton campaign had paid for security services at the larger venue. Like, you know, man - the difference between federal government employees (Secret Service) and campaign-compensated local cops. Hillary has had problems with making that distinction in the past, I know. Again from the already posted link:
City Manager John Bohenko said the city billed Clintons campaign $3,656 for use of the field, police, public works and recreation department resources and that payment was received Thursday.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/view/?id=411436
Women for Hillary
Kick-Off with Hillary Clinton and Jeanne Shaheen in Portsmouth
195 Parrott Ave
Portsmouth, NH 03801
Map this location
Official event
Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen will kick-off New Hampshire Women for Hillary in Portsmouth on Saturday, September 5th.
Hillary will discuss the challenges that women world-wide still face, to mark the 20th Anniversary of her speech in Beijing, China, where she declared "human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights once and for all."
Jeanne Shaheen is the first woman in American history elected to serve as both a Governor and U.S. Senator. In both roles, her commonsense leadership has made a difference for New Hampshire.
So come join us on Saturday to hear from Hillary and Senator Shaheen!
That's pretty basic! That is not the same as her lah-di-dah, personally addressed, private INVITE ONLY fund raising soirees at gated estates.
You paint with a very broad brush: "People who see Clinton . . ." Let us consider her announcement rally at Roosevelt Island. People had been requested to RSVP. However, others were encouraged to show up, but with no guarantee of admission depending upon the size of the crowd. We all recall the photos of the huge, overflow area with big screen monitors - and not a person in them. Perhaps attendees had to pass through metal detectors - and I believe they were cautioned in public announcements as to what they should bring and not bring with them for screening purposes. According to your statement, there would have been Secret Service agents not only checking off an attendance list for some 5,000 people, but scrutinizing them one-on-one.
And recall that infamous time she marched along the street and her staff used a rope to hold the press at a "respectful" distance. Had everyone standing alongside the marching route RSVP-d to be on their public streets? Had the Secret Service checked off each and every one of them as being scrutinized. And yet they were "people who saw Clinton."
So everyone standing along the street when Clinton marched along passed Secret Service scrutiny. If by that, you meant that her Secret Service detail was eyeballing everyone - fine. Did they RSVP to stand on the sidewalks?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Ummmm hmmmm. I won't hold my breath waiting for an "I beg your pardon...."
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And everyone knows if you provide that personal information to a campaign, you'll get inundated with phone calls and emails begging for money. No thanks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)But hey, you keep on keeping on, there. Are those goalposts terribly heavy? You're moving them at a rapid clip.
First you tell me there is """""NO"""""""" RSVP, and then, when I show you that there was, from your own damn link, you start backing up and making "No thanks" excuses.
No one cares about your "No thanks." You aren't a supporter anyway.
Now, maybe you'll start to believe that her events are tailored towards people who ALREADY SUPPORT HER.
Still waiting for that "Ooops, I made a mistake" from you. Haven't heard it yet.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Bernie's events have an RSVP, too, and his are all open!
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/search_results?orderby=zip_radius&zip_radius[0]=52001&zip_radius[1]=100&country=US&radius_unit=mi
The candidates' staffs want an RSVP so they'll know about how many people will be there. It's not rocket science!
MADem
(135,425 posts)I showed him where his assertion was incorrect.
So you can either learn to read and follow a conversation, or have a nice day, or both.
You're not doing your candidate any favors with this juvenile approach to me, but hey, keep it up!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)No list, no tickets, nothing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Please examine the graphic I provided.
And do post your pictures! I'd love to see them!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)We had no intention of going to the Rally. We were in Portsmouth for different reasons. We were approached on the street by a woman trying to get people to go to the rally. Anyone could go. We popped in out of curiosity and left shortly thereafter.
MADem
(135,425 posts)left?
Ok.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)It doesnt matter to us what she said. Really. We had better things to do.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If I went to a Sanders rally, I'd take a few pics. It's not like we have to worry about "running out of film" anymore. These cell phones, why, they're such a marvel!
And if Sanders were giving a major policy speech on the anniversary of a previous speech on a topic of importance to half of the world, never mind the nation, I think I'd find a way to sit my ass down and listen to what he had to say. I'd "make the effort."
But whatever. If you say you were there....
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I dont give a shit if you believe I was there or not. And I sure as hell dont need pictures of H. Clinton on my phone. We popped in because one of the people we were with had never been to a rally before. Had it been someone else, we might have stayed. You should be glad that we left the seats free for people who actually buy what she's selling. As I said, we had better things to do.
MADem
(135,425 posts)very own Senator, Jeanne Shaheen? She spoke at that event, too.
And given that it was an anniversary event of a speech of EXTRAORDINARY import to women around the world, well, I just think it's very odd that you couldn't spare a few moments to hear that talk.
I guess you aren't terribly interested in politics or history. That was an historical event.
You're more into "team sports?"
But hey, whatever you say!!!!!!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Of course I knew Shaheen was there. And? She chose to endorse a candidate who isnt even ahead in the polls here. Is she representing me? No. Is she representing NH? No. Shes representing her own self-interests as usual. No ones vote is going to be influenced by the endorsement of Senator Shaheen. Anyone who pays attention know what she and her husband are all about. But hey... maybe her husband will start smearing Bernie like he did to Obama last time. Obama the drug-dealer. Remember that? That was just awesome, right?
Team sports? No thats the "Bernies not a Democrat" types. Thats the money, money, money types. Thats the send out your surrogates to do your dirty work types.
Screw that.
Presidential candidates makes speech in NH. News a 5. Yawn.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Not "yawn" -- but interesting that you would think so.
smh.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Riveting.
MADem
(135,425 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Newsflash....I would attend a Sanders rally.....but still vote for the Democrat in the Primary!
artislife
(9,497 posts)That all one thousand will vote for Hillary?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I suspect so....
indeed!!!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It was NOT "special invitation" only:
The event with Clinton and Shaheen is open to the public. Individuals who would like to RSVP can do so here: http://hrc.io/1LDC10J
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It was in the local paper!
If it was invitation only, that sentence would not have been in an online newspaper article.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566
https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/
MADem
(135,425 posts)They said it was a good stump speech.
But they're still not voting for him.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I would definitely go for that spectacle. I'd take pictures, and listen to the crowd comments, too.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)who doesn't think watching people who take Donald Trump seriously aren't seriously entertaining! Its like watching a car accident.....you just cannot help but go look!
MADem
(135,425 posts)I really can't understand the logic. The man is a fucking moron. He's a red-faced, bellowing asswipe.
I think the American public is having a laugh with him, frankly. I don't think we can trust ANY polls anymore, no matter if they're supporting any candidate.
The only polls with a hope of accuracy are probably the internals--and we will never see those.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Yeah those all important internals! Still if they are the only thing that is trustworthy....I like that team of experienced numbers crunchers Clinton has.....its ESSENTIALLY important to have a crack election team when things are as crazy as they are right now!
And then there is the elusive Barack Obama Ground Team Database looming out there.....now because most of them work for Hillary...that puts her in a distinct advantage for being the one that gets it....and that is why Joe Biden is reluctantly "considering the idea of running".....Biden is there to have it to pass to should anything go wrong with the Hillary Campaign so....advantage "Democrats". That database was the key to his electorial success....I saw it in action when I was out there campaigning.....they kept such good records.....they did not stop pounding on an address until someone answered....and that database was keeping track of every address....and every reaction....they were compiling all of that information....and kept creating new records of which houses had not had an answer from yet..and they would go out there and again and again to these neighborhoods...with smaller and smaller lists......that database is invaluable right now.....sure people move around....but in the grand scheme...that data stays pretty fresh for this upcoming election anyways.....but they will continue to take the pulse of neighborhoods all through this election too.....and updating it as it goes....
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Trump's hateful remarks give cover to the unhinged. I think tragedy is just around the corner.
MADem
(135,425 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)revmclaren
(2,524 posts)Most cheer and wooot wooot and have a grand old time. Then go home and quickly forget all about it. I have been to a lot or rally's over the years, many for the other candidate...to see what he or she has to offer. Never voted for them though. Cheered a lot at the good stuff, woot woooted a bit and promptly voted for my candidate. The ones who were at this Clinton event were all supporters, voters, and children of voters and supporters. Big difference. But the B.Sers on this thread know that. great post though. Great pictures too. Sanders would approve... At least on the final effect, not the thought.
Edited to add: this of coarse is true of Clinton OPEN rally's as well, but not to the same extent. She already has a HUGE voter base locked up.
cali
(114,904 posts)political opportunism, obfuscation and mendaciosness good qualities, then hill is sterling.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't think Bernie would approve!
cali
(114,904 posts)I know him a bit better than you do, dear.
MADem
(135,425 posts)revmclaren
(2,524 posts)There are no Kissinger types in the pictures of the event. She's having a sad. Be gentle.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Quality doesn't rise just because no one shows up.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)They downsized it the day before to a hastily constructed outdoor stage at a middle school.
artislife
(9,497 posts)In the city surrounded by beaches and mountains for hiking. That is impressive.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm jealous I don't live in a state that gets a lot of candidate appearances. The primaries are pretty much done by the time CA votes.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Kinda sucks that a state our size takes a backseat to waaaaay smaller ones.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)town by town. I guess that would be pretty expensive though. The closest I've ever come to President Obama is waving at Air Force 1 when he's landing at SFO.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)WTH? Since when is 1,000 people a bad turnout?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Hillary has a big Labor Day Weekend event and pulls the same sized crowd that Bernie did in early June in a city of roughly the same size.
Nothing impressive about the turn out here. If anything, it is kinda sad.
http://www.p2016.org/chrnnewh/nhvisits15d.html
>Sen. Bernie Sanders held a town meeting at the Keene Recreation Center in Keene, NH early on the afternoon of June 6, 2015.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/many-are-shocked-by-the-size-of-the-crowds-bernie-sanders-is-drawing/
Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has drawn huge crowds recently. He packed Drake Universitys auditorium, drew 1,000 people in New Hampshire, and the attendance was estimated at 5,000 at a stop in Minnesota.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)After all the advance publicity,
only 1,000 attended.
Put all the flowers on it you want,
only 1,000 attended.
Only 1,000.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Priceless.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... fit inside the increased size Sander's rally in Minneapolis months ago, than her entire "crowd."
Yessir, that there is some real "Clinton campaign enthusiasm."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I see you are still dispensing the same old flavor.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It's especially encouraging to see you were able to pick up exactly where you left off.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Funny how consistency of standards and honesty instills trust, isn't it?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I feel all warm and fuzzy now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Blus4u
(608 posts)Elton John did a soundtrack for a movie by the same name which I saw in the late 60's.
It was filmed in the "Camargh (sp?)" region of France. Story was about a British diplomats son who was about 15 whose dad was posted to Paris. There he met a 14 yr old French girl and the two of them ran away to property her family had owned in the Camargh.
The soundtrack was terrific and I had two copies in my time on vinyl.
I have never met anyone who knew of or saw that movie.
I saw it in Panama and don't even know if it was released in the U.S.
Peace
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The word went forth--and in a big way, too. Funny how none of the coverage seemed to worry about a body count; they understood this rally was a WOMEN FOR HILLARY event, where Jeanne Shaheen, NH Senator (and super delegate) offered a formal endorsement.
But hey, if these detractors want to carp about numbers, and sit there with a counter playing click, click, click, we might as well let them--because apparently they believe that the ONLY way to reach people is to give the same "laundry list of grievances" speech, over and over again, and not talk about any issues in depth.
How many people were reached through these media outlets, I wonder? A few, I'm guessing!!!
http://nhpr.org/post/shaheens-endorsement-clinton-comes-decades-nh-political-know-how
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566
https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I'll bet we're talking MILLIONS of 'eyes on target.'
http://nhpr.org/post/shaheens-endorsement-clinton-comes-decades-nh-political-know-how
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566
https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948
http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)portrays as reality, and what's going on, and then ask them to connect the dots .
MADem
(135,425 posts)watch the news at the dinner hour and maybe even the late news, too.
That's how they get their info. If they're lucky and they have a job with an internet connection, sitting at a desk, they might do a little web surfing, too.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)I myself am addicted to ' Democracy Now ' .
olddots
(10,237 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)At least I think that was your intention?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm more the Terry Gilliam type.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's about all I remember from the Sopranos.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Do you remember this line:
"Get your shine box."
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I wasn't as into that show as some people were. I think during that era I was watching a lot of Battlestar Galactica, and changing diapers.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)NOTSAFEFORWORK
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He was in Casino, too, right? My wife got about halfway through that movie back before we got married, I keep trying to get her to sit down and watch the rest.
If for no other reason than, watching Sharon Stone's complete pathos clusterfuck of a hateful meltdown is truly a cinematic, acting tour de force.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)in Videodrome.
It's all connected, man.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Sharon Stone did a fucking awesome job in that flick, because if you don't come away from it loathing her by the end, there's something wrong with you.
It is an art, to be so hateful, unless as you say that's who you actually are.
Like that kid who played Joffrey on Game of Thrones- apparently in real life he's a sweetheart.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)His character was based on Frank Rosenthal who was one of the pioneers of sports gambling.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Feel the Bern!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Can't we all be friends here?
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Democrats holds a rally talking about women's issues and your thoughts are about something completely different. When Sanders or O'Malley speak to women's issues I applaud them. This should be a serious issue to all of us. Minimizing it is just one more reminder of how far we have to go.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The less of a credible point some people have to make the more they will attack the messenger personally.
Still I don't doubt Clinton's ability to bring in a huge crowd if she wants to. It seems quite likely to me that she simply doesn't think it's important right now, and she is pacing herself for later.
But it does show the enthusiasm gap is real.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)she had the empty overflow at her kick off
and then today with a popular dem senator with her and she had to downsize...that does not look good
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150904/NEWS/150909568 Clinton appearance in Portsmouth moved
Event switched from Leary Field to middle school
By Jesse Scardina
jscardina@seacoastonline.com
Posted Sep. 4, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Updated Sep 4, 2015 at 6:24 PM
PORTSMOUTH Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clintons campaign stop in the city has been moved from Leary Field to the nearby middle school.
A stage and podium with a U.S. flag in the background was being erected Friday afternoon outside Portsmouth Middle School, as the location for Clintons appearance, where the former secretary of state is expected to be endorsed by U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.
City Manager John Bohenko said the city billed Clintons campaign $3,656 for use of the field, police, public works and recreation department resources and that payment was received Thursday.
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i know for a fact she was busing supporters to follow her around last time to make places seem full
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)But these clicker counters don't understand how messaging works in the 21st Century.
Thousands of people turned out to see a flower that smells like a dead body in Denver. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28665831/denver-corpse-flower-early-visitors-disappointed-by-lack
That doesn't necessarily mean that the event is going to resonate or be remembered for very long.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Maybe they are not quite as excited about her? They think it's a done deal? I don't understand.
brooklynite
(94,604 posts)...like President Dean?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)He's that guy telling us Hillary's email is just nonsense from the media and won't mean anything in terms of the election.
Sorta like the 'Dean scream'. Media nonsense that didn't mean... oh wait...
thereismore
(13,326 posts)"He said he would do a much better job for women than I would. That's a general election debate thats going to be a lot of fun."
She is assuming she is the nominee!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)convinced supporters and canvassers, then she has
done a great job. If they each can convince 10 people to
vote for her, she will have a sound base.
OTOH, if they just came to see and hear her, then it
is not that great.
Since I don't know, why these people came, I just
leave it open.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Women everywhere, against human trafficking and raping women.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Autumn
(45,109 posts)white.
I think.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The driving distance from Portsmouth, New Hampshire to Boston, Massachusetts is:
57 miles
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Oh, the tragedy of it all! Not one single Clinton staffer had any form of camera to document the grand occasion?!?!
Not one single Clinton fan took a photo/video of the alleged crowd?
Who is the source of the claim there were 1,000 in attendance?
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Plus, a lot of folks from Boston will trek up I95 to see big star stump.
MADem
(135,425 posts)https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/student-voting-guide-new-hampshire
Some like being part of the "first in the nation" hoopla.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)
transportation, getting time off from work, etc.
Many, dare I say, the great majority of people who vote, millions and millions, have never attended a rally.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And lots of people who attend rallies and cheer like mad....they don't vote! Or they don't vote for the "savior" they were looking for...
Ask Howard Dean about how that works!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Dean got huge crowds in 2003 especially when compared to Kerry. This is 1000 grass roots volunteers on a Labor Day weekend who are committed to helping HRC win.
delrem
(9,688 posts)for Clinton's supporters.
But Hillary better step up her game, AND her crowds, and fast, if she doesn't want this election to be a wipeout.
However amusing the refrain is, that Hillary didn't want a large crowd...
revmclaren
(2,524 posts)The only grapes will be the champagne opened at the end of the campaign road. Maybe some cheese and salami. Mmmmm salami.
delrem
(9,688 posts)You figure she's caught a clue? That she knows what people are pissed off about her sense of entitlement? Where her "crowds" pay $2700 a pop to be in the same room with her. The Kardashians, for Sarah Palin's sake! To get "selfies" with her. That she can buy her way to a win - so a big "fuck you" to actually running on issues? The meme now being that she doesn't need a big crowd. She just needs professional videographers, a bought out MSM, and a smile to enter at center stage.
Just askin.
revmclaren
(2,524 posts)Like it or not, her name is known in most households and she still leads nation wide by 20 plus points even with the DU pushed negative points. When I ask people I meet or around my work how they feel about bernie sanders I still get a large percentage of 'sanders who?'. Not a lot of time left for them to find out.
But of course since I will be campaigning for her, nothing anyone can tell me on an anonymous Post will mean S$&T in changing my mind although all the Hillary hate posts are not aimed at people like me...they are ment for the random net surffer who might happen by. Thats why so many posts are hidden by the B.S. Recing crew. Many dont have accounts who visit so they cant read the hidden posts. Not a big secret. So have have a nice day and post drivel to someone who cares.
Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)The article mentioned 1000 attendees but didn't say whether the crowd was large or small for the venue or event.
Unless the OP has other knowledge which they have not provided, it looks like she/he is just pot stirring.
It'd be nice if the OP said something about the substance of the article, but I guess that's too much to expect.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... I'm not comfortable with something here.
After NH were the hell is Sanders going to be!?
I don't see SC turning over to him
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)To a smaller venue, so that her crowd wouldn't look even smaller in pictures. (Edit: comment 92)
Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)The article mentions the move but not the reason for the move. Neither does it mention the relative sizes of the two venues.
The evidence presented doesn't support the claim made.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Take a look at Google maps sometime. It has this neat little feature where you can actually look at places.
Leary field is huge, Portsmouth Middle School is far smaller, maybe I dunno, 1/5th as big at best, with maybe 1/20th avaiable to stuff a crowd on. And only a couple of blocks apart, so if you look up one, then the other, they both stay onscreen for you to compare the two.
So choose Google earth, and be sure to use the zoom to street view on the Middle school to see where she set up. It's small enough to make a crowd of 1000 look HUGE.
Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)google? Ok did that. I notice that the middle school doesn't have any play fields. What's up with that. Unless the Middle school uses Lewis fields.
So the area of the play field is larger than the open area of the middle school. Good observation. Now you only need evidence that the move was because of the size of the venue.
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And a comment on the subject of the article would be nice as well.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Might be her biggest yet.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)What a crowd?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251575513