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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:09 PM Sep 2015

Only 1,000 attend Clinton event

After a huge publicity campaign buildup for the Labor Day weekend kick-off
of “Women for Hillary" in Portsmouth, NH
only 1,000 supporters showed up?

"I’m a proud lifelong fighter for women’s issues,”
Clinton told a crowd of about 1,000 supporters
that gathered outside Portsmouth Junior High School
for the Labor Day weekend kick-off of “Women for Hillary.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-nh-women-213369#ixzz3kttfJWof

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Only 1,000 attend Clinton event (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 OP
Wow, what a great article--really good read! MADem Sep 2015 #1
You do think it was nice of left-of-center2012 to post it though. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #4
Most certainly--though that wasn't the poster's intent, it matters not. MADem Sep 2015 #12
In this instance I will just judge the results and not the poster's intent. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #14
Her "own" campaign? Fawke Em Sep 2015 #128
Just cut the nonsense. MADem Sep 2015 #129
Oh, stop whining. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #131
. Dragonfli Sep 2015 #133
! Fawke Em Sep 2015 #134
Keep kicking the thread with petulant commentaries! MADem Sep 2015 #137
That.Is.Perfection! peacebird Sep 2015 #203
You might take your own advice...you smelt it because you dealt it. MADem Sep 2015 #135
So only certain people are allowed to get into Clinton's events? Really? Who is excluded? sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #199
Why don't you read the whole thread--you'll figure it out, eventually. nt MADem Sep 2015 #200
Except that they're not... brooklynite Sep 2015 #201
No. I'm a Clinton supporter. MADem Sep 2015 #202
She's building a ground organization...If these are events that Gloria Sep 2015 #64
Motivated, and with a record of past interest/performance. MADem Sep 2015 #65
Massive crowd! 5 deep and maybe 20 across? Where's the pics of the whole crowd? Divernan Sep 2015 #73
Clinton downsizes venue day before appearance. Divernan Sep 2015 #75
Aw, you don't understand, do you? MADem Sep 2015 #76
If it was by invitation, why did they downsize venue the day before? Divernan Sep 2015 #83
The "Atheist Reporter" got three RSVPs? OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #91
My point, exactly! - event was NOT by invite to HRC supporters only! Divernan Sep 2015 #104
You're asking me to take the "atheist voter" as dispositive? nt MADem Sep 2015 #107
Proof it was not by invitation only to previously committed HRC followers. Divernan Sep 2015 #116
That's not really proof. It's an invited person providing a link. nt MADem Sep 2015 #117
It's not about crowd size - when it's a small crowd nichomachus Sep 2015 #93
Gee, you'd think you'd be pleased, instead of trying to goad and bait, then! MADem Sep 2015 #108
If after all your work to gin up support up front, you have to downsize the event delrem Sep 2015 #98
What work? MADem Sep 2015 #138
I didn't downsize HRC's big event. So it isn't "all on me", as you claim. delrem Sep 2015 #141
Cut - n- run, eh? MADem Sep 2015 #145
I'm not the one whining, MADem. Your wails are frightening the neighborhood dogs! delrem Sep 2015 #146
I'm the one who was HAPPY to see this article posted. Pull the string, there, sport! nt MADem Sep 2015 #147
KICK! delrem Sep 2015 #148
Yep!! MADem Sep 2015 #151
Love your enthusiasm, MADem. But it doesn't make up for abysmal turnout delrem Sep 2015 #152
Abysmal? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #155
Keep laughing. Then ask yourself "How many people in New Hampshire saw these links MADem Sep 2015 #156
"no need to snipe" SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #167
"Worst of all, we're starting to sound like Congress." Thread win!!! nt MADem Sep 2015 #168
I'm waiting for someone to say, "Go fuck yourself." SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #169
That may have already happened a time or two.... MADem Sep 2015 #170
Do you mean on the floor of the Senate? eom SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #174
Looks like an excellent event! mcar Sep 2015 #77
Which is exactly the point....they SO fear her....that instead of paying attention to the FEMINIST VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #157
"I firmly believe what’s good for women is good for America,” Clinton said. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #158
Great article. A friend of mine attended and said it was awesome! leftofcool Sep 2015 #2
I am glad your friend enjoyed the experience. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #5
This really can't always be about rally turnout, you know? HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #3
The article didn't focus on any comparison of turnout at all. MADem Sep 2015 #13
Oh, isn't that wonderful. Who needs a free press anyhow? jwirr Sep 2015 #32
She should try waving her arms around more Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #6
Good one! MissDeeds Sep 2015 #17
I don't think emulating Trump is the best idea. zappaman Sep 2015 #122
How many attendees must she get to satisfy you? oasis Sep 2015 #7
1,0001? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #8
Someone tell the OP to stand by with his clicker. oasis Sep 2015 #10
Perhaps he can attend her next rally and bring his clicker DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #11
At least 1% less than a plurality demwing Sep 2015 #58
Huh? I wasn't aware there was voting going on at this event. oasis Sep 2015 #81
That's ok, I forgive you demwing Sep 2015 #94
"Extrapolating". I see, certainly a lot of that going on nowadays. oasis Sep 2015 #96
Is that bad? Hmm...if you don't like life's outputs demwing Sep 2015 #100
Excellent idea. <nt> oasis Sep 2015 #101
Thanks for the article.... BooScout Sep 2015 #9
Since the team wins or loses based on votes, CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #16
Since every vote is weighed the same no they don't. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #18
If the people who show up at your rally don't vote for you, no, they don't. nt MADem Sep 2015 #20
They're more likely to than the people who don't show up. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #25
I suspect pretty much everyone who received an invite to the event in the MADem Sep 2015 #69
It was an open to the public, no admission fee rally. Divernan Sep 2015 #84
It was an RSVP event. MADem Sep 2015 #109
It was open invite, posted to public on campaign website, w/ NO RSVP requested! Divernan Sep 2015 #115
Jesus, can't you even take the time to read the link you so portentously gave me? MADem Sep 2015 #118
They provided all the information needed to show up;RSVP not marked required. Divernan Sep 2015 #123
Uh, look at YOUR link, with the RSVP in the red bar. Keep struggling if you'd like. MADem Sep 2015 #125
God... you are just choosing NOT to believe that this was an open event. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #130
I was responding to the poster's false assertion that the event was NOT RSVP. MADem Sep 2015 #136
It was not RSVP. I was there. bunnies Sep 2015 #181
It WAS RSVP. MADem Sep 2015 #182
I didnt take pictures. bunnies Sep 2015 #183
Really? You went and didn't take pics? Didn't stay for the speech on women? Just popped in and MADem Sep 2015 #184
Really. We're not Clinton supporters and we dont find her authentic. bunnies Sep 2015 #185
So why even go? Makes no sense. MADem Sep 2015 #186
You know what? bunnies Sep 2015 #188
I think it's strange that you didn't stay to listen to that speech. You didn't want to see your MADem Sep 2015 #189
An historical event? Are you joking? bunnies Sep 2015 #191
Presidential candidate makes speech on anniversary of THIS speech. MADem Sep 2015 #192
She gave a speech on the day she gave a speech before. bunnies Sep 2015 #193
Thanks so much for proving a point I was making in another thread....have a nice day. nt MADem Sep 2015 #194
You think everyone that goes to Bernie's rally's are going to necessarily vote for him? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #27
Do you think artislife Sep 2015 #87
As they were all invited guests.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #112
Everybody who could come was invited! Fawke Em Sep 2015 #132
did you miss the RSVP part? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #139
No. They wanted an RSVP for the head count. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #144
the town only has 21,000 people living there for goodness sake! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #142
I'll bet these media links reached most if not all NH voters--more than once, too. MADem Sep 2015 #153
I have friends who have gone to see him; they're not voting for him but it was a cheap night out. MADem Sep 2015 #110
Right.....they go for the spectacle! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #113
If Trump were speaking near me, I'd put on a hat and dark glasses and go, myself!!! MADem Sep 2015 #114
Yeah it would be a riot.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #143
I would take pictures and videos and ask the question "Why?" MADem Sep 2015 #149
Crazy right? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #154
Oh, MADem, I hope they're not laughing. He stopped being funny when he gave out Graham's phone #. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #159
Every time it seems like he's put his foot in it, he opens wider and grows another foot!!! nt MADem Sep 2015 #160
Kinda like slaying a hydra? n/t SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #164
Or eating an octopus! nt MADem Sep 2015 #166
And the free icecream and such. revmclaren Sep 2015 #161
sure if you consider being ethically challenged, quality. if you consider cali Sep 2015 #19
Awww...look at all that negativity! MADem Sep 2015 #21
I don't think he'd care one way or another. cali Sep 2015 #23
Well, you carry on with your winning ways, then! nt MADem Sep 2015 #67
Shhhhh... revmclaren Sep 2015 #163
Quality and Quantity are not opposites, there us no inverse relationship demwing Sep 2015 #61
I get the impression this thread hasn't turned out the way the seminal poster intended. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #15
sorry, this is ridiculous. 1,000 on a beautiful labor day weekend is a good crowd. cali Sep 2015 #22
I'm waiting to see photographic evidence of the crowd size. Divernan Sep 2015 #78
28000 on a summer Saturday artislife Sep 2015 #88
It looks nice to me. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #24
Yeah, I wish our primary was earlier. zappaman Sep 2015 #124
I was thinking, how fun it would be to have a candidate come through Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #127
"Only?" TheCowsCameHome Sep 2015 #26
My first thought as well. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #97
that might be great for her, but lets compare Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #106
Only 1,000 attend Clinton event left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #28
Kicking this puerile thread by doubling-down? OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #30
That's how he rolls. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #35
There were more people who couldn't... 99Forever Sep 2015 #31
Welcome back,amigo./nt DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #34
Thanks. 99Forever Sep 2015 #36
I was counting the days until your return. The board wasn't the same without you. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #37
My opinions aren't controlled by a weathervane. 99Forever Sep 2015 #41
I am just happy you are back and have my fingers crossed you stay back. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #43
Thanks again. 99Forever Sep 2015 #45
You are welcome, sir DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #47
Where did you discover that song?? Blus4u Sep 2015 #71
Here DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #72
I love flowers. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #33
Or maybe we could talk about the content of the rally? Metric System Sep 2015 #74
That reached every NH voter via TV and newspaper coverage. And THEN some!!!!! MADem Sep 2015 #140
Numbers don't Lie orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #29
You got that right! Wonder what the circulation/Neilsen 'numbers' are for these links? MADem Sep 2015 #187
I diffuse MSM by asking people their personal experiences and the Vast difference between what MSM orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #196
Most people read the paper at breakfast, listen to the radio going to/from work, MADem Sep 2015 #197
No Doubt it's total infiltration of the senses, but in between all that is " The Real World " orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #198
yes but the 1000 were very special people olddots Sep 2015 #38
Were They All Super Delegates - That Would Explain Their Importance cantbeserious Sep 2015 #59
*Were Agschmid Sep 2015 #63
See, we told you she was popular! Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #39
She's The One DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #40
Never saw it, sorry. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #42
I didn't see it either but would have watched it for Frank Vincent alone DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #44
Ah, yes, the Shah of Iran. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #46
That and he had his head run over in front of his daughter and grandchildren DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #48
vaguely. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #51
The "Get your Shinebox" quote was from Goodfellas DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #52
Oh, right. Yeah, that's a great flick, too. Been years since I saw it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #55
You also had DeNiro as the cuckolded husband. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #56
And James Woods is a right-wing shitheel who had his hand eaten by Deborah Harry's vaginal tv set Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #60
He is contemptible in real life as he is on screen. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #62
almost makes you sympathetic to DeNiro, doesn't it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #66
DeNiro was the most sympathetic character in the movie. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #70
Sad whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #49
That is no way to describe the original poster. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #50
So, one of the countries most well known... SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #53
It seems you struck a nerve with a few people Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #54
i kind of doubt it questionseverything Sep 2015 #92
Y'all a 1000 peeps is a lot of peeps underthematrix Sep 2015 #57
I think the millions who saw the media coverage following the event were the actual target... MADem Sep 2015 #190
"Puppet Show and Spinal Tap" Bonobo Sep 2015 #68
Damn. Something isn't quite right. If she has 50% of Democrats, where are they? thereismore Sep 2015 #79
Because everyone who gets big crowds ends up getting large numbers of votes? brooklynite Sep 2015 #99
Non-sequitur. nt thereismore Sep 2015 #102
I remember him! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #176
It's this kind of thing that makes her unappealing: thereismore Sep 2015 #80
GMAB. They all talk like they assume they are the nominee. It's part of the game lunamagica Sep 2015 #162
If these 1000 are all experienced and sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #82
Good article, Hillary has advocated for women world wide. She is pushing for safety of Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #85
In all honesty, 1,000 probably isn't that bad in Portsmouth, New Hampshire Scootaloo Sep 2015 #86
New Hampshire. That's why it looked so Autumn Sep 2015 #89
1,000 probably isn't that bad in Portsmouth, New Hampshire left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #90
Where is a SINGLE photo/video to prove this claim of 1,000 in crowd? Divernan Sep 2015 #105
UNH in nearby Durham is in session. I bet a lot were from there and can't vote in NH. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #95
Hate to tell you this, but NH college students CAN vote--and DO vote--in New Hampshire. MADem Sep 2015 #119
I stand corrected. Some can and will vote. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #120
MANY can and do--this was a major issue several election cycles back. nt MADem Sep 2015 #126
I don't do rallies or events. Many people don't for different reasons, such as health, lunamagica Sep 2015 #103
+1,000! MADem Sep 2015 #111
You know there is more to a campaign than getting huge crowds... book_worm Sep 2015 #121
seems that sour grapes is the menu choice of the day, delrem Sep 2015 #150
No sour grapes here... revmclaren Sep 2015 #165
So you figure she's bottomed out, yet? delrem Sep 2015 #172
She really doesn't need big crowds at the moment. revmclaren Sep 2015 #175
Inflamatory thread title not supported by the article. Buzz cook Sep 2015 #171
I'm starting to see either FUD or some supporters are massaging numbers and facts about Sanders uponit7771 Sep 2015 #173
In another comment, someone noted an article that pointed out she had to switch venues. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #177
Not quite what the article says Buzz cook Sep 2015 #179
Actually the evidence does. The article isn't the only evidence. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #180
The article was the only evidence given Buzz cook Sep 2015 #204
1000 is a pretty good sized crowd for HRC. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #178
Looks like she got *25* people (including the children) at her Dubuque Labor Day event... Romulox Sep 2015 #195

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Wow, what a great article--really good read!
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:14 PM
Sep 2015
Clinton rallies around gender appeal
Rarely has Hillary Clinton campaigned on women’s issues so openly and unequivocally as she did on Saturday in New Hampshire.






PORTSMOUTH, N.H. -- In a state with a history of electing women to its highest offices, and on the 20th anniversary of her famous speech in Beijing, where as First Lady she declared “women’s rights are human rights and human rights are women’s rights,” Hillary Clinton defined the entire economic agenda of her 2016 campaign as a women's issue.
For the Democratic front-runner, the backdrop for her speech had special meaning -- this early-voting state is the one where Clinton herself shattered a glass ceiling in 2008 by becoming the first woman to win a presidential primary.
“I’m a proud lifelong fighter for women’s issues,” Clinton told a crowd of about 1,000 supporters that gathered outside Portsmouth Junior High School for the Labor Day weekend kick-off of “Women for Hillary.”
She shared the stage with Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, a former governor and longtime supporter who officially endorsed Clinton’s campaign Saturday. “I firmly believe what’s good for women is good for America,” Clinton said.
Clinton has been embracing her gender since her kickoff rally on Roosevelt Island last June, but the Women for Hillary rally marked the first time she placed her entire domestic and economic agenda in terms of how it affects women’s lives.


More at link....


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-nh-women-213369#ixzz3ktvIsjay


Despite your attempt at negative framing, thank you for bringing the article to my attention.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Most certainly--though that wasn't the poster's intent, it matters not.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:33 PM
Sep 2015

The thread starter doesn't understand that Clinton's events are by invitation in many cases--if you're on her mailing list, or Jeanne Shaheen's, you'd get an invite to this thing. She doesn't just throw open the doors for all the liberatarians and Paulbots to wander in--it's not how she's running her NH campaign. People who don't like it are probably not her supporters anyway. She doesn't want to talk AT people, she wants to talk TO and WITH them, and Mega-Church events don't work for that kind of messaging.

It frustrates the hell out of people that she's running her own style of campaign. You'd think -- if they really believed the evangelical events were evidence of a winning strategy--they'd be pleased and just go on their merry way, instead of carping at this "obvious underdog" who knows that every single person in the room is committed to her...!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
128. Her "own" campaign?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:40 PM
Sep 2015

This isn't about her!

It's about who is best for the American people.

Remember them?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
129. Just cut the nonsense.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:46 PM
Sep 2015
Waaah!!!

You don't like her.

No one is demanding that you do, but that comment was pretty doggone pointless.

You don't rule the world. It's not your decision, and she can run her campaign as she sees fit.

Even if YOU don't like it.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
131. Oh, stop whining.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:02 PM
Sep 2015

It's not a matter of liking her. A presidential election should be about THE PEOPLE, not some self-serving, power hungry politician.

Or does that not matter in Hillaryland?

Come to think of it, I guess not: closed, private and too-expensive-for-the-working class galas, a DNC at her beck and call to limit debates and a fan base that makes comments like "she can run HER campaign as she sees fit" while criticizing other candidates' campaigns all amount to this being about her and NOT about me or any other American.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
137. Keep kicking the thread with petulant commentaries!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:56 PM
Sep 2015

The article is great, and the responses by HRC's detractors do not cover them in glory--as your example so succintly indicates.

I've never seen such childish "support" for poor Sen. Sanders in my life. You'd think you would spend more time praising your candidate. Instead, you post bitter little Republican-style graphics that punctuate your childish ire!!

It's so "cool" that you're carrying GOP water with such .... verve! Pat yourselves on the back!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
135. You might take your own advice...you smelt it because you dealt it.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:32 PM
Sep 2015


Notice how you're the one with the snarky "Hillaryland" comments?

Adults don't have a need to play "Bernieland" games. I'd never think of doing that schoolyard, immature shit.

You keep on showing us what you're all about, though!!

If you think her tactics are such a big FAIL, why don't you rest on your self-satisfied, victorious laurels instead of snarking and whinging?

FWIW, the event was not a "gala"--it was an RSVP event. Free admission. Committed supporters attended. Why you have a problem with this (and plainly--based on the posts you keep flinging at me, aimlessly and pointlessly--you do) is your issue.

You sure don't sound too confident to me--or anyone else reading your gripes.

No one is forcing you to "like" her. Why are you acting like that's the case? This victim attitude is getting wearying.

As for HER campaign, she will run it the way SHE wants to--not the way you--a NON-supporter--wants her to run it. Why would anyone in the HRC camp take your crummy advice? You hate her, you don't want her to win.

The chickens don't vote for the colonel, either.

Feh. Like I said, stop with the whining. Either support your candidate, or don't--but don't tell your "enemy" how they should do their job, and expect ANYONE to take you seriously.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
199. So only certain people are allowed to get into Clinton's events? Really? Who is excluded?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:37 PM
Sep 2015

Her style of campaign appears to be pretty exclusive. While Bernie's is inclusive. Are you seriously thinking this is the way for a candidate to win support, from whom?

brooklynite

(94,604 posts)
201. Except that they're not...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:48 PM
Sep 2015
Both events with Clinton are open to the public. Individuals who would like to RSVP can do so here: http://hrc.io/1LDC10J for the event in Portsmouth with Shaheen and here: http://hrc.io/1Fler4j for the event in Manchester with New Hampshire's organized labor community and allies.


Events in Newton, Cedar Rapids, the Quad Cities, and Burlington, are open to the public.


All events are open to the public. Iowans who would like to RSVP can do so here: Ankeny, Sioux City, Baldwin. Additional details on Clinton’s events will be announced in the coming days.


The town hall is open to the public. Iowans who would like to RSVP can do so here.


And let's be honest. you never checked; you just assumed it was true because "we all know" Clinton doesn't want to meet with the public.

But a good stereotype is hard to give up.....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
202. No. I'm a Clinton supporter.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:03 PM
Sep 2015

I know her events are more scrutinized because there are weirdos out there who wish her ill. That RSVP list makes it easier for the secret service to get a quick rundown on who is going to be there.

I did check. I even provided an image of the RSVP e-card in this thread. "Open to the public" doesn't mean "Don't let us know you're coming." Sure, if someone shows up they'll probably give them the hairy eyeball and let them in, and maybe herd them to a particular section.

Clinton's events ARE smaller and more tightly controlled than Sanders. Then again, Clinton's events have a different focus each time--this one in Portsmouth was about women. She sometimes does "issue" events, and she also does Q and A which Sanders does not do. She doesn't stand at a lectern and bellow, she talks TO people--not AT them.

Sanders, by contrast, fills a room, and delivers the exact same stump speech each time. There's no mystery. It's lather, rinse, repeat.

I'm not "stereotyping." I'm telling it like it is. There IS a difference in the way these campaigns are run. Clinton gets a thousand people in the room and talks to them, and the news reports it--radio, TV, newspapers--to MILLIONS. Why? Because she is saying something DIFFERENT every time she appears. Sanders is saying the same thing, over and over, so there's less to report, save the attendance figures and demographics. Kucinich and Dean could fill a room too--it didn't help them, now, did it?

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
64. She's building a ground organization...If these are events that
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:11 PM
Sep 2015

are free-ticketed, I would bet they are motivated and many will become volunteers.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Motivated, and with a record of past interest/performance.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:15 PM
Sep 2015

These are people that Jeanne Shaheen knows will come through for her.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
73. Massive crowd! 5 deep and maybe 20 across? Where's the pics of the whole crowd?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:34 PM
Sep 2015

Where's the video panning across the whole venue? And why did the Clinton campaign downsize the venue at the last minute?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
75. Clinton downsizes venue day before appearance.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:43 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150904/NEWS/150909568 Clinton appearance in Portsmouth moved
Event switched from Leary Field to middle school



By Jesse Scardina
jscardina@seacoastonline.com

Posted Sep. 4, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Updated Sep 4, 2015 at 6:24 PM

PORTSMOUTH — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign stop in the city has been moved from Leary Field to the nearby middle school.

A stage and podium with a U.S. flag in the background was being erected Friday afternoon outside Portsmouth Middle School, as the location for Clinton’s appearance, where the former secretary of state is expected to be endorsed by U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

City Manager John Bohenko said the city billed Clinton’s campaign $3,656 for use of the field, police, public works and recreation department resources and that payment was received Thursday.



How embarrassing!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
76. Aw, you don't understand, do you?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:44 PM
Sep 2015

It's not about crowd size--she's not trying to convert people, she's preaching to the already converted. The people who were there were INVITED and they'll go away to organize and GOTV.

She doesn't have to 'convince' people. That's not how her campaign works.

It's a different methodology from the "Preach to libertarians, Paulbots, curiosity seekers, and enthusiasts, and hope it all sticks" methodology.

Sanders does the same speech, over and over again. HRC doesn't do that. Her messages are targeted. It's a different approach--no need to get angry or snarky, now...it's just a different way of doing things.

If you don't think it's a good plan, then you should be pleased....no need to snipe~!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
83. If it was by invitation, why did they downsize venue the day before?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:58 PM
Sep 2015

There was an announcement asking people to attend (at the original, larger venue)- not exactly individual invitations.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/view/?id=411436

September 5, 2015, 10:00am—1:00pm EDT
Women for Hillary Kick-Off with Hillary Clinton and Jeanne Shaheen in Portsmouth

195 Parrott Ave
Portsmouth, NH 03801
Map this location

Official event

Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen will kick-off New Hampshire Women for Hillary in Portsmouth on Saturday, September 5th.

So come join us on Saturday to hear from Hillary and Senator Shaheen!

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150904/NEWS/150909568

Then there was this open invitation, which got a massive THREE RSVPs
http://www.atheistvoter.org/20150905-clinton-portsmouth

Hillary Clinton - Portsmouth, NH Campaign Event

Hillary Clinton will be speaking at the kick-off event for New Hampshire Women for Hillary in Portsmouth, NH.

Organizers of this event have asked that you RSVP with their official event page. Please click here to RSVP.

Don't forget to RSVP with us below!

September 05, 2015 at 10am – 1pm
3 people are going

3 RSVPS

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
91. The "Atheist Reporter" got three RSVPs?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:24 PM
Sep 2015

Did their subscriber list jump 50%, or was that an interloper?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
104. My point, exactly! - event was NOT by invite to HRC supporters only!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:46 AM
Sep 2015

As some are trying to claim in a pathetic attempt to save face. And I'm still waiting to see ANY photo/video record of the alleged "crowd". So the Clinton campaign is technologically challenged?

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
93. It's not about crowd size - when it's a small crowd
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:27 PM
Sep 2015

When it's a little but bigger crowd, it's about crowd size.

There's a smell of desperation in the Clinton clique.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
108. Gee, you'd think you'd be pleased, instead of trying to goad and bait, then!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:44 PM
Sep 2015

If Clinton supporters are so "smelly-desperate," why aren't you .... happier?

delrem

(9,688 posts)
98. If after all your work to gin up support up front, you have to downsize the event
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:41 PM
Sep 2015

then yes, it does become about crowd size.

It isn't as if Hillary's campaign lacks $$ to advertise, to ensure the very best professional promotion. That can't be denied. Hell, that's what Hillary's supporters have been crowing about for the last several months, as being Hillary's singular achievement, the singular credential that guarantees her "electability". So yes, MADem, crowd size more fitting to one of the bottom tier Republican candidates is a problem.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
138. What work?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:07 PM
Sep 2015

They sent out an email to the "list."

That was all the "work" they did.

Oh, and then they called the press, and made sure they got some dynamite coverage.

You don't understand that this event was not about people in a venue, it's about the press coverage after it--but since you don't get that, stay right where you are--in the dark about how this campaign is being managed. Here's some light reading for you:


https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html

http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948

http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/

http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420

How many NH voters do you think THOSE links reached? Hmmmmm? smh!

Keep kicking this thread, though--the OP article is great. It actually has some "campaign stuff" in it, as opposed to whining about personalities, and nitpicking.

Funny how so many Sanders supporters have no game when it comes to boosting their own candidate--they only come out to play when it involves tearing down the opposition.

That's not a good look, just so you know. But hey, keep on doing it, if you must! It's all on you, your words, your attitudes!

delrem

(9,688 posts)
152. Love your enthusiasm, MADem. But it doesn't make up for abysmal turnout
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:01 PM
Sep 2015

because hardly anyone could be bothered to show.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
156. Keep laughing. Then ask yourself "How many people in New Hampshire saw these links
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:18 PM
Sep 2015

and TV coverage? How many people heard about what Jeanne Shaheen was up to in Portsmouth?"

http://nhpr.org/post/shaheens-endorsement-clinton-comes-decades-nh-political-know-how

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html

http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566

https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948

http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/

http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0

http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/


If you don't think that kind of coverage resonates, then keep thinking that way--it will make everyone happy. You plainly just don't understand what kind of campaign HRC is running, and you're proud of that.

I'll bet of the seven hundred thousand or so New Hampshire residents who are registered voters, that almost ALL of them were exposed to this story not just once, but several times--and without even being there.

They heard it on the radio driving to work, driving home from work, they saw it on TV, on the evening and nightly news, and they read about it in the papers.

All those people who voted for Jeanne, who put her in the Senate, who supported her as a Senator and as a Governor, they saw who she endorsed, heard what she had to say, and heard or read what her preferred candidate had to say.

If you want to dismiss that, please--go right ahead.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
167. "no need to snipe"
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:42 PM
Sep 2015

I agree. It's neither helpful nor persuasive.

Worst of all, we're starting to sound like Congress.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
169. I'm waiting for someone to say, "Go fuck yourself."
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:00 PM
Sep 2015

It was good enough for Crashcart on the Senate floor.

Because Crashcart was a model of civility.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
157. Which is exactly the point....they SO fear her....that instead of paying attention to the FEMINIST
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:22 PM
Sep 2015

points she was making....on the weekend of LABOR DAY......Equality...Labor Day??? Get it?

They want to cause a big damn stink and pretend it was some abysmal turnout....so women do not pay attention to the feminist points the probable first female American President being made. Sad...weak and pathetic....so unworthy of a great man like Bernie Sanders too!

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
158. "I firmly believe what’s good for women is good for America,” Clinton said.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:38 PM
Sep 2015

YES YES YES

What Hillary said needed to be said.
I couldn't care less who said it.

She deserves props for that.

And I'm a Sanders supporter.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
3. This really can't always be about rally turnout, you know?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:18 PM
Sep 2015

Clinton will get more reported on this event than just the rally numbers.

Sanders won't get anything he said reported on, just the numbers.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. The article didn't focus on any comparison of turnout at all.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:34 PM
Sep 2015

That was some editorializing by the thread starter.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
32. Oh, isn't that wonderful. Who needs a free press anyhow?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:25 PM
Sep 2015

This media blackout is not funny. It is the result of a real breakdown in democracy. Basically due to the Communications Act signed by Bill Clinton that has allowed the 1% to buy up and monopolize the media.

I must be mistaken. I thought all Democrats were upset about that.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
58. At least 1% less than a plurality
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:01 PM
Sep 2015

of all voters, in all Dem primaries.

In other words, Ill be happy when she loses the nomination.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
94. That's ok, I forgive you
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:30 PM
Sep 2015

and if I have to explain, I was taking the question asked, extrapolating out, and answering in the broadest terms possible.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
9. Thanks for the article....
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

Hillary has quality. Pep rallys are nice, but they don't have one iota to do with whether the team wins or loses.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. I suspect pretty much everyone who received an invite to the event in the
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:20 PM
Sep 2015

OP showed up.

And I'd not be surprised if most if not all of them have some experience volunteering for campaigns in NH, and have some talent in organizing, GOTV, etc.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
109. It was an RSVP event.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015

People who see Clinton have to pass Secret Service scrutiny.

It's just the way it is.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
115. It was open invite, posted to public on campaign website, w/ NO RSVP requested!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 03:50 PM
Sep 2015

I posted the link and excerpt above, if you could have been bothered to read them. Here it is again. Now, try to pay attention. The link gives the time, address and even a map for directions, and THERE IS NO MENTION OF OR REQUEST FOR AN RSVP ! ! ! ! ! !

Given the HRC campaign's crack organization skills, the venue was downsized only the day before. Don't know how they got the word out about that - but even you must concede that would have been too late to request RSVPs and provide for Secret Service screening.
As a matter of fact, the news report stated that the Clinton campaign had paid for security services at the larger venue. Like, you know, man - the difference between federal government employees (Secret Service) and campaign-compensated local cops. Hillary has had problems with making that distinction in the past, I know. Again from the already posted link:

City Manager John Bohenko said the city billed Clinton’s campaign $3,656 for use of the field, police, public works and recreation department resources and that payment was received Thursday.


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/view/?id=411436
September 5, 2015, 10:00am—1:00pm EDT
Women for Hillary
Kick-Off with Hillary Clinton and Jeanne Shaheen in Portsmouth
195 Parrott Ave
Portsmouth, NH 03801
Map this location

Official event

Hillary Clinton and U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen will kick-off New Hampshire Women for Hillary in Portsmouth on Saturday, September 5th.

Hillary will discuss the challenges that women world-wide still face, to mark the 20th Anniversary of her speech in Beijing, China, where she declared "human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights once and for all."

Jeanne Shaheen is the first woman in American history elected to serve as both a Governor and U.S. Senator. In both roles, her commonsense leadership has made a difference for New Hampshire.
So come join us on Saturday to hear from Hillary and Senator Shaheen!



That's pretty basic! That is not the same as her lah-di-dah, personally addressed, private INVITE ONLY fund raising soirees at gated estates.

You paint with a very broad brush: "People who see Clinton . . ." Let us consider her announcement rally at Roosevelt Island. People had been requested to RSVP. However, others were encouraged to show up, but with no guarantee of admission depending upon the size of the crowd. We all recall the photos of the huge, overflow area with big screen monitors - and not a person in them. Perhaps attendees had to pass through metal detectors - and I believe they were cautioned in public announcements as to what they should bring and not bring with them for screening purposes. According to your statement, there would have been Secret Service agents not only checking off an attendance list for some 5,000 people, but scrutinizing them one-on-one.

And recall that infamous time she marched along the street and her staff used a rope to hold the press at a "respectful" distance. Had everyone standing alongside the marching route RSVP-d to be on their public streets? Had the Secret Service checked off each and every one of them as being scrutinized. And yet they were "people who saw Clinton."
So everyone standing along the street when Clinton marched along passed Secret Service scrutiny. If by that, you meant that her Secret Service detail was eyeballing everyone - fine. Did they RSVP to stand on the sidewalks?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
118. Jesus, can't you even take the time to read the link you so portentously gave me?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 04:20 PM
Sep 2015



Ummmm hmmmm. I won't hold my breath waiting for an "I beg your pardon...."

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
123. They provided all the information needed to show up;RSVP not marked required.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:54 PM
Sep 2015

And everyone knows if you provide that personal information to a campaign, you'll get inundated with phone calls and emails begging for money. No thanks.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
125. Uh, look at YOUR link, with the RSVP in the red bar. Keep struggling if you'd like.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:59 PM
Sep 2015
If your name isn't on the list, you might not get in.

But hey, you keep on keeping on, there. Are those goalposts terribly heavy? You're moving them at a rapid clip.

First you tell me there is """""NO"""""""" RSVP, and then, when I show you that there was, from your own damn link, you start backing up and making "No thanks" excuses.

No one cares about your "No thanks." You aren't a supporter anyway.

Now, maybe you'll start to believe that her events are tailored towards people who ALREADY SUPPORT HER.

Still waiting for that "Ooops, I made a mistake" from you. Haven't heard it yet.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
130. God... you are just choosing NOT to believe that this was an open event.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:50 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie's events have an RSVP, too, and his are all open!

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/search_results?orderby=zip_radius&zip_radius[0]=52001&zip_radius[1]=100&country=US&radius_unit=mi

The candidates' staffs want an RSVP so they'll know about how many people will be there. It's not rocket science!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
136. I was responding to the poster's false assertion that the event was NOT RSVP.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:52 PM
Sep 2015

I showed him where his assertion was incorrect.

So you can either learn to read and follow a conversation, or have a nice day, or both.

You're not doing your candidate any favors with this juvenile approach to me, but hey, keep it up!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
182. It WAS RSVP.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:48 PM
Sep 2015


Please examine the graphic I provided.

And do post your pictures! I'd love to see them!
 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
183. I didnt take pictures.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:08 PM
Sep 2015

We had no intention of going to the Rally. We were in Portsmouth for different reasons. We were approached on the street by a woman trying to get people to go to the rally. Anyone could go. We popped in out of curiosity and left shortly thereafter.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
184. Really? You went and didn't take pics? Didn't stay for the speech on women? Just popped in and
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:13 PM
Sep 2015

left?

Ok.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
185. Really. We're not Clinton supporters and we dont find her authentic.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:18 PM
Sep 2015

It doesnt matter to us what she said. Really. We had better things to do.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
186. So why even go? Makes no sense.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:22 PM
Sep 2015

If I went to a Sanders rally, I'd take a few pics. It's not like we have to worry about "running out of film" anymore. These cell phones, why, they're such a marvel!

And if Sanders were giving a major policy speech on the anniversary of a previous speech on a topic of importance to half of the world, never mind the nation, I think I'd find a way to sit my ass down and listen to what he had to say. I'd "make the effort."

But whatever. If you say you were there....

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
188. You know what?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:30 PM
Sep 2015

I dont give a shit if you believe I was there or not. And I sure as hell dont need pictures of H. Clinton on my phone. We popped in because one of the people we were with had never been to a rally before. Had it been someone else, we might have stayed. You should be glad that we left the seats free for people who actually buy what she's selling. As I said, we had better things to do.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
189. I think it's strange that you didn't stay to listen to that speech. You didn't want to see your
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:44 PM
Sep 2015

very own Senator, Jeanne Shaheen? She spoke at that event, too.

And given that it was an anniversary event of a speech of EXTRAORDINARY import to women around the world, well, I just think it's very odd that you couldn't spare a few moments to hear that talk.

I guess you aren't terribly interested in politics or history. That was an historical event.

You're more into "team sports?"


But hey, whatever you say!!!!!!

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
191. An historical event? Are you joking?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:09 PM
Sep 2015

Of course I knew Shaheen was there. And? She chose to endorse a candidate who isnt even ahead in the polls here. Is she representing me? No. Is she representing NH? No. Shes representing her own self-interests as usual. No ones vote is going to be influenced by the endorsement of Senator Shaheen. Anyone who pays attention know what she and her husband are all about. But hey... maybe her husband will start smearing Bernie like he did to Obama last time. Obama the drug-dealer. Remember that? That was just awesome, right?

Team sports? No thats the "Bernies not a Democrat" types. Thats the money, money, money types. Thats the send out your surrogates to do your dirty work types.

Screw that.

Presidential candidates makes speech in NH. News a 5. Yawn.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
192. Presidential candidate makes speech on anniversary of THIS speech.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:17 PM
Sep 2015


Not "yawn" -- but interesting that you would think so.

smh.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
27. You think everyone that goes to Bernie's rally's are going to necessarily vote for him?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:34 PM
Sep 2015

Newsflash....I would attend a Sanders rally.....but still vote for the Democrat in the Primary!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
132. Everybody who could come was invited!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:10 PM
Sep 2015

It was NOT "special invitation" only:


The event with Clinton and Shaheen is open to the public. Individuals who would like to RSVP can do so here: http://hrc.io/1LDC10J


http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
144. No. They wanted an RSVP for the head count.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:34 PM
Sep 2015

It was in the local paper!

If it was invitation only, that sentence would not have been in an online newspaper article.



MADem

(135,425 posts)
110. I have friends who have gone to see him; they're not voting for him but it was a cheap night out.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:48 PM
Sep 2015

They said it was a good stump speech.


But they're still not voting for him.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
114. If Trump were speaking near me, I'd put on a hat and dark glasses and go, myself!!!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:18 PM
Sep 2015

I would definitely go for that spectacle. I'd take pictures, and listen to the crowd comments, too.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
143. Yeah it would be a riot....
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:33 PM
Sep 2015

who doesn't think watching people who take Donald Trump seriously aren't seriously entertaining! Its like watching a car accident.....you just cannot help but go look!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
149. I would take pictures and videos and ask the question "Why?"
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:53 PM
Sep 2015

I really can't understand the logic. The man is a fucking moron. He's a red-faced, bellowing asswipe.

I think the American public is having a laugh with him, frankly. I don't think we can trust ANY polls anymore, no matter if they're supporting any candidate.

The only polls with a hope of accuracy are probably the internals--and we will never see those.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
154. Crazy right?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:08 PM
Sep 2015

Yeah those all important internals! Still if they are the only thing that is trustworthy....I like that team of experienced numbers crunchers Clinton has.....its ESSENTIALLY important to have a crack election team when things are as crazy as they are right now!

And then there is the elusive Barack Obama Ground Team Database looming out there.....now because most of them work for Hillary...that puts her in a distinct advantage for being the one that gets it....and that is why Joe Biden is reluctantly "considering the idea of running".....Biden is there to have it to pass to should anything go wrong with the Hillary Campaign so....advantage "Democrats". That database was the key to his electorial success....I saw it in action when I was out there campaigning.....they kept such good records.....they did not stop pounding on an address until someone answered....and that database was keeping track of every address....and every reaction....they were compiling all of that information....and kept creating new records of which houses had not had an answer from yet..and they would go out there and again and again to these neighborhoods...with smaller and smaller lists......that database is invaluable right now.....sure people move around....but in the grand scheme...that data stays pretty fresh for this upcoming election anyways.....but they will continue to take the pulse of neighborhoods all through this election too.....and updating it as it goes....

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
159. Oh, MADem, I hope they're not laughing. He stopped being funny when he gave out Graham's phone #.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:09 PM
Sep 2015

Trump's hateful remarks give cover to the unhinged. I think tragedy is just around the corner.

revmclaren

(2,524 posts)
161. And the free icecream and such.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:17 PM
Sep 2015

Most cheer and wooot wooot and have a grand old time. Then go home and quickly forget all about it. I have been to a lot or rally's over the years, many for the other candidate...to see what he or she has to offer. Never voted for them though. Cheered a lot at the good stuff, woot woooted a bit and promptly voted for my candidate. The ones who were at this Clinton event were all supporters, voters, and children of voters and supporters. Big difference. But the B.Sers on this thread know that. great post though. Great pictures too. Sanders would approve... At least on the final effect, not the thought.

Edited to add: this of coarse is true of Clinton OPEN rally's as well, but not to the same extent. She already has a HUGE voter base locked up.



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. sure if you consider being ethically challenged, quality. if you consider
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:00 PM
Sep 2015

political opportunism, obfuscation and mendaciosness good qualities, then hill is sterling.

revmclaren

(2,524 posts)
163. Shhhhh...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:27 PM
Sep 2015

There are no Kissinger types in the pictures of the event. She's having a sad. Be gentle.




 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
61. Quality and Quantity are not opposites, there us no inverse relationship
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:08 PM
Sep 2015

Quality doesn't rise just because no one shows up.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
78. I'm waiting to see photographic evidence of the crowd size.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:47 PM
Sep 2015

They downsized it the day before to a hastily constructed outdoor stage at a middle school.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
88. 28000 on a summer Saturday
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:07 PM
Sep 2015

In the city surrounded by beaches and mountains for hiking. That is impressive.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
24. It looks nice to me.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:14 PM
Sep 2015

I'm jealous I don't live in a state that gets a lot of candidate appearances. The primaries are pretty much done by the time CA votes.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
124. Yeah, I wish our primary was earlier.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:55 PM
Sep 2015

Kinda sucks that a state our size takes a backseat to waaaaay smaller ones.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
127. I was thinking, how fun it would be to have a candidate come through
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:21 PM
Sep 2015

town by town. I guess that would be pretty expensive though. The closest I've ever come to President Obama is waving at Air Force 1 when he's landing at SFO.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
106. that might be great for her, but lets compare
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:41 AM
Sep 2015

Hillary has a big Labor Day Weekend event and pulls the same sized crowd that Bernie did in early June in a city of roughly the same size.

Nothing impressive about the turn out here. If anything, it is kinda sad.



http://www.p2016.org/chrnnewh/nhvisits15d.html

>Sen. Bernie Sanders held a town meeting at the Keene Recreation Center in Keene, NH early on the afternoon of June 6, 2015.


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/many-are-shocked-by-the-size-of-the-crowds-bernie-sanders-is-drawing/


Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has drawn huge crowds recently. He packed Drake University’s auditorium, drew 1,000 people in New Hampshire, and the attendance was estimated at 5,000 at a stop in Minnesota.






left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
28. Only 1,000 attend Clinton event
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:35 PM
Sep 2015

After all the advance publicity,
only 1,000 attended.

Put all the flowers on it you want,
only 1,000 attended.

Only 1,000.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
31. There were more people who couldn't...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:44 PM
Sep 2015

... fit inside the increased size Sander's rally in Minneapolis months ago, than her entire "crowd."

Yessir, that there is some real "Clinton campaign enthusiasm."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. I was counting the days until your return. The board wasn't the same without you.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:33 PM
Sep 2015

It's especially encouraging to see you were able to pick up exactly where you left off.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
41. My opinions aren't controlled by a weathervane.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:37 PM
Sep 2015

Funny how consistency of standards and honesty instills trust, isn't it?

Blus4u

(608 posts)
71. Where did you discover that song??
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:28 PM
Sep 2015

Elton John did a soundtrack for a movie by the same name which I saw in the late 60's.
It was filmed in the "Camargh (sp?)" region of France. Story was about a British diplomats son who was about 15 whose dad was posted to Paris. There he met a 14 yr old French girl and the two of them ran away to property her family had owned in the Camargh.

The soundtrack was terrific and I had two copies in my time on vinyl.

I have never met anyone who knew of or saw that movie.
I saw it in Panama and don't even know if it was released in the U.S.

Peace

MADem

(135,425 posts)
140. That reached every NH voter via TV and newspaper coverage. And THEN some!!!!!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:24 PM
Sep 2015

The word went forth--and in a big way, too. Funny how none of the coverage seemed to worry about a body count; they understood this rally was a WOMEN FOR HILLARY event, where Jeanne Shaheen, NH Senator (and super delegate) offered a formal endorsement.

But hey, if these detractors want to carp about numbers, and sit there with a counter playing click, click, click, we might as well let them--because apparently they believe that the ONLY way to reach people is to give the same "laundry list of grievances" speech, over and over again, and not talk about any issues in depth.

How many people were reached through these media outlets, I wonder? A few, I'm guessing!!!


http://nhpr.org/post/shaheens-endorsement-clinton-comes-decades-nh-political-know-how

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/05/supporters-line-portsmouth-hear-hillary-clinton/ETVOkrL4hx4M88JUTSkqYM/story.html

http://www.wmur.com/politics/sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/35121566

https://www.bostonherald.com/photos/jeanne_shaheen_endorses_hillary_clinton_in_portsmouth_nh

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150830/NEWS/150839948

http://www.nh1.com/news/clinton-scores-shaheen-endorsement-at-portsmouth-rally/

http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150906/NEWS0605/150909420

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/New-Hampshire-Senator-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-324742291.html

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/30/hillary-clinton-secures-backing-of-senator-jeanne-shaheen-of-new-hampshire/?_r=0

http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/2015/09/06/new-hampshire-sen-jeanne-shaheen-endorses-hillary-clinton/71770564/

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
196. I diffuse MSM by asking people their personal experiences and the Vast difference between what MSM
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:24 PM
Sep 2015

portrays as reality, and what's going on, and then ask them to connect the dots .

MADem

(135,425 posts)
197. Most people read the paper at breakfast, listen to the radio going to/from work,
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:27 PM
Sep 2015

watch the news at the dinner hour and maybe even the late news, too.

That's how they get their info. If they're lucky and they have a job with an internet connection, sitting at a desk, they might do a little web surfing, too.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
198. No Doubt it's total infiltration of the senses, but in between all that is " The Real World "
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:34 PM
Sep 2015

I myself am addicted to ' Democracy Now ' .

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
48. That and he had his head run over in front of his daughter and grandchildren
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:45 PM
Sep 2015


Do you remember this line:

"Get your shine box."

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
51. vaguely.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:48 PM
Sep 2015

I wasn't as into that show as some people were. I think during that era I was watching a lot of Battlestar Galactica, and changing diapers.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. Oh, right. Yeah, that's a great flick, too. Been years since I saw it.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:55 PM
Sep 2015

He was in Casino, too, right? My wife got about halfway through that movie back before we got married, I keep trying to get her to sit down and watch the rest.

If for no other reason than, watching Sharon Stone's complete pathos clusterfuck of a hateful meltdown is truly a cinematic, acting tour de force.



Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. And James Woods is a right-wing shitheel who had his hand eaten by Deborah Harry's vaginal tv set
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:03 PM
Sep 2015

in Videodrome.



It's all connected, man.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
66. almost makes you sympathetic to DeNiro, doesn't it?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:17 PM
Sep 2015

Sharon Stone did a fucking awesome job in that flick, because if you don't come away from it loathing her by the end, there's something wrong with you.

It is an art, to be so hateful, unless as you say that's who you actually are.

Like that kid who played Joffrey on Game of Thrones- apparently in real life he's a sweetheart.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
70. DeNiro was the most sympathetic character in the movie.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:20 PM
Sep 2015

His character was based on Frank Rosenthal who was one of the pioneers of sports gambling.

 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
53. So, one of the countries most well known...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:50 PM
Sep 2015

Democrats holds a rally talking about women's issues and your thoughts are about something completely different. When Sanders or O'Malley speak to women's issues I applaud them. This should be a serious issue to all of us. Minimizing it is just one more reminder of how far we have to go.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
54. It seems you struck a nerve with a few people
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:54 PM
Sep 2015

The less of a credible point some people have to make the more they will attack the messenger personally.

Still I don't doubt Clinton's ability to bring in a huge crowd if she wants to. It seems quite likely to me that she simply doesn't think it's important right now, and she is pacing herself for later.

But it does show the enthusiasm gap is real.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
92. i kind of doubt it
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:26 PM
Sep 2015

she had the empty overflow at her kick off

and then today with a popular dem senator with her and she had to downsize...that does not look good

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150904/NEWS/150909568 Clinton appearance in Portsmouth moved
Event switched from Leary Field to middle school


By Jesse Scardina
jscardina@seacoastonline.com

Posted Sep. 4, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Updated Sep 4, 2015 at 6:24 PM

PORTSMOUTH — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign stop in the city has been moved from Leary Field to the nearby middle school.

A stage and podium with a U.S. flag in the background was being erected Friday afternoon outside Portsmouth Middle School, as the location for Clinton’s appearance, where the former secretary of state is expected to be endorsed by U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

City Manager John Bohenko said the city billed Clinton’s campaign $3,656 for use of the field, police, public works and recreation department resources and that payment was received Thursday.

///////////////////////////////////////////////

i know for a fact she was busing supporters to follow her around last time to make places seem full

MADem

(135,425 posts)
190. I think the millions who saw the media coverage following the event were the actual target...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:52 PM
Sep 2015

But these clicker counters don't understand how messaging works in the 21st Century.

Thousands of people turned out to see a flower that smells like a dead body in Denver. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28665831/denver-corpse-flower-early-visitors-disappointed-by-lack

That doesn't necessarily mean that the event is going to resonate or be remembered for very long.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
79. Damn. Something isn't quite right. If she has 50% of Democrats, where are they?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:48 PM
Sep 2015

Maybe they are not quite as excited about her? They think it's a done deal? I don't understand.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
176. I remember him!
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:32 PM
Sep 2015

He's that guy telling us Hillary's email is just nonsense from the media and won't mean anything in terms of the election.

Sorta like the 'Dean scream'. Media nonsense that didn't mean... oh wait...

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
80. It's this kind of thing that makes her unappealing:
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:52 PM
Sep 2015

"He said he would do a much better job for women than I would. That's a general election debate that’s going to be a lot of fun."

She is assuming she is the nominee!

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
82. If these 1000 are all experienced and
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:56 PM
Sep 2015

convinced supporters and canvassers, then she has
done a great job. If they each can convince 10 people to
vote for her, she will have a sound base.

OTOH, if they just came to see and hear her, then it
is not that great.

Since I don't know, why these people came, I just
leave it open.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
85. Good article, Hillary has advocated for women world wide. She is pushing for safety of
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:02 PM
Sep 2015

Women everywhere, against human trafficking and raping women.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
90. 1,000 probably isn't that bad in Portsmouth, New Hampshire
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:18 PM
Sep 2015

The driving distance from Portsmouth, New Hampshire to Boston, Massachusetts is:
57 miles

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
105. Where is a SINGLE photo/video to prove this claim of 1,000 in crowd?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:56 AM
Sep 2015

Oh, the tragedy of it all! Not one single Clinton staffer had any form of camera to document the grand occasion?!?!

Not one single Clinton fan took a photo/video of the alleged crowd?

Who is the source of the claim there were 1,000 in attendance?

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
95. UNH in nearby Durham is in session. I bet a lot were from there and can't vote in NH.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:35 PM
Sep 2015

Plus, a lot of folks from Boston will trek up I95 to see big star stump.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
119. Hate to tell you this, but NH college students CAN vote--and DO vote--in New Hampshire.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:38 PM
Sep 2015
At School. The Secretary of State of New Hampshire has specifically stated that students have the right to choose between keeping their residence at the place they lived before attending school or establishing residency in their school community.[9] New Hampshire’s laws make clear that students need only meet the same standards as other voters in establishing residence: you need only live in New Hampshire and have the intent to return when you leave.[10] The mere intent to change residence in the future (such as after graduation) does not stop you from establishing residency in New Hampshire.[11]


https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/student-voting-guide-new-hampshire

Some like being part of the "first in the nation" hoopla.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
103. I don't do rallies or events. Many people don't for different reasons, such as health,
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:12 AM
Sep 2015

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transportation, getting time off from work, etc.

Many, dare I say, the great majority of people who vote, millions and millions, have never attended a rally.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
111. +1,000!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
Sep 2015

And lots of people who attend rallies and cheer like mad....they don't vote! Or they don't vote for the "savior" they were looking for...

Ask Howard Dean about how that works!

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
121. You know there is more to a campaign than getting huge crowds...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:44 PM
Sep 2015

Dean got huge crowds in 2003 especially when compared to Kerry. This is 1000 grass roots volunteers on a Labor Day weekend who are committed to helping HRC win.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
150. seems that sour grapes is the menu choice of the day,
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:59 PM
Sep 2015

for Clinton's supporters.

But Hillary better step up her game, AND her crowds, and fast, if she doesn't want this election to be a wipeout.

However amusing the refrain is, that Hillary didn't want a large crowd...

revmclaren

(2,524 posts)
165. No sour grapes here...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:34 PM
Sep 2015

The only grapes will be the champagne opened at the end of the campaign road. Maybe some cheese and salami. Mmmmm salami.





delrem

(9,688 posts)
172. So you figure she's bottomed out, yet?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:16 AM
Sep 2015

You figure she's caught a clue? That she knows what people are pissed off about her sense of entitlement? Where her "crowds" pay $2700 a pop to be in the same room with her. The Kardashians, for Sarah Palin's sake! To get "selfies" with her. That she can buy her way to a win - so a big "fuck you" to actually running on issues? The meme now being that she doesn't need a big crowd. She just needs professional videographers, a bought out MSM, and a smile to enter at center stage.

Just askin.

revmclaren

(2,524 posts)
175. She really doesn't need big crowds at the moment.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:21 PM
Sep 2015

Like it or not, her name is known in most households and she still leads nation wide by 20 plus points even with the DU pushed negative points. When I ask people I meet or around my work how they feel about bernie sanders I still get a large percentage of 'sanders who?'. Not a lot of time left for them to find out.

But of course since I will be campaigning for her, nothing anyone can tell me on an anonymous Post will mean S$&T in changing my mind although all the Hillary hate posts are not aimed at people like me...they are ment for the random net surffer who might happen by. Thats why so many posts are hidden by the B.S. Recing crew. Many dont have accounts who visit so they cant read the hidden posts. Not a big secret. So have have a nice day and post drivel to someone who cares.



Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
171. Inflamatory thread title not supported by the article.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:23 AM
Sep 2015

The article mentioned 1000 attendees but didn't say whether the crowd was large or small for the venue or event.

Unless the OP has other knowledge which they have not provided, it looks like she/he is just pot stirring.

It'd be nice if the OP said something about the substance of the article, but I guess that's too much to expect.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
173. I'm starting to see either FUD or some supporters are massaging numbers and facts about Sanders
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:50 AM
Sep 2015

... I'm not comfortable with something here.

After NH were the hell is Sanders going to be!?

I don't see SC turning over to him

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
177. In another comment, someone noted an article that pointed out she had to switch venues.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:34 PM
Sep 2015

To a smaller venue, so that her crowd wouldn't look even smaller in pictures. (Edit: comment 92)

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
179. Not quite what the article says
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:20 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20150904/NEWS/150909568

The article mentions the move but not the reason for the move. Neither does it mention the relative sizes of the two venues.

The evidence presented doesn't support the claim made.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
180. Actually the evidence does. The article isn't the only evidence.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:02 AM
Sep 2015

Take a look at Google maps sometime. It has this neat little feature where you can actually look at places.

Leary field is huge, Portsmouth Middle School is far smaller, maybe I dunno, 1/5th as big at best, with maybe 1/20th avaiable to stuff a crowd on. And only a couple of blocks apart, so if you look up one, then the other, they both stay onscreen for you to compare the two.

So choose Google earth, and be sure to use the zoom to street view on the Middle school to see where she set up. It's small enough to make a crowd of 1000 look HUGE.

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
204. The article was the only evidence given
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:10 PM
Sep 2015

google? Ok did that. I notice that the middle school doesn't have any play fields. What's up with that. Unless the Middle school uses Lewis fields.
So the area of the play field is larger than the open area of the middle school. Good observation. Now you only need evidence that the move was because of the size of the venue.

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And a comment on the subject of the article would be nice as well.

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