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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:24 PM Sep 2015

How I wished Hillary Was on Our Side

She's got it all. Money, name recognition, party support, an ex-President as a husband.

If only she was on the same side as us when it comes to policies! Simple core policies such as anti-war, a cleaner environment, public campaign financing, I would be thrilled.

As it is, I am bummed that my party's leading candidate is oriented to more of the same. When I campaigned for Obama I did so telling people that Obama represented real change. And in many ways, he gave us some change.

But I can't do the same for Hillary, because she does not represent real change. How I wished she did. I could just sit back and coast until next summer.

As it is I have to get out and work for the underdog, Bernie, so that the country can have a president who can and will change the course of my beloved country.

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How I wished Hillary Was on Our Side (Original Post) RobertEarl Sep 2015 OP
Roger That - HRC Represents The 1% First And Always - A Perfect 1% Stealth Canididate cantbeserious Sep 2015 #1
What's so stealthy about her love for the wealthy? Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #12
The Observation That Many Supporters Are Oblivious To That Reality cantbeserious Sep 2015 #32
People like her supporters have been have been around since Lincoln's time Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #39
Obviously the people who voted for Obama thought he would bring a lot of change. L0oniX Sep 2015 #2
I mostly agree with your sentiments,but by now you should jaysunb Sep 2015 #3
Why is it a dark place, Liars covering up for Liars, there is no aisle, a Political Society and US . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #5
What you say is true RobertEarl Sep 2015 #6
You're being very optimistic, jaysunb Sep 2015 #8
It takes but one spark to start a fire. When he becomes president, he will expect us to help roguevalley Sep 2015 #10
"Optimistic" is not the word I would use. zappaman Sep 2015 #17
Realist is the word RobertEarl Sep 2015 #23
No, "realist" is definitely not the word I was thinking of... zappaman Sep 2015 #31
I don't think the OP is talking about presidential powers re Hillary. She was sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #30
The only things we know about her is a lack of responsibility for anything, a lack of truth, lots of orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #4
"The only things we know about her is a lack of responsibility ..." left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #15
Well Put . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #37
Oh, she'll take your side alright, NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #7
Ditto. SoapBox Sep 2015 #9
I feel the same…. zentrum Sep 2015 #11
Ugh! LostinRed Sep 2015 #13
Ugh! OP didn't say one word about not voting for her. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #16
She is for representing hardworking Americans. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #14
On Wall Street jalan48 Sep 2015 #18
How is that? She favors the TPP which will move our jobs overseas for profits for corporations. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #25
Odd you should use that phrase, Hillary has also used it.. Fumesucker Sep 2015 #28
Or in her opinion "white Americans" Jappleseed Sep 2015 #34
Some of her friends concern me deeply Electric Monk Sep 2015 #19
Somehow I see the problem differently. sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #20
Yeah. The system needs an overhaul RobertEarl Sep 2015 #24
Yeah. In a sane country, Clinton would not even be running, because she Zorra Sep 2015 #21
I Wish She Were Really For Womens' Interest Too McKim Sep 2015 #22
Change is never easy. We have to work azmom Sep 2015 #26
The best thing about Bernie is that ... DrBulldog Sep 2015 #27
Well you probably won't have to be bummed for too long. cui bono Sep 2015 #29
The fact that she's taking lobbyist $ from the private prison industry is pretty bad. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #33
I don not know what to tell you, it is either Hilary or a fucking trump! akbacchus_BC Sep 2015 #35
Well she isn't so the only option is to work harder for those that support our values YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #36
"Money" Babel_17 Sep 2015 #38
I bet Bernie feels the same RobertEarl Sep 2015 #40

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
39. People like her supporters have been have been around since Lincoln's time
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:05 AM
Sep 2015
You can fool all of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

I don't worry about them. When even a fool like Glenn Beck calls Sarah Palin a "clown," then she should know the jig is up.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. Obviously the people who voted for Obama thought he would bring a lot of change.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

A lot of us have felt let down on a few issues and the "professional left" was thrown under the bus right away. It's hard to believe what anyone says after that. Some have regained hope because of Bernie. I have.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
3. I mostly agree with your sentiments,but by now you should
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:36 PM
Sep 2015

have realized the limited power of the Presidential office. Sure, they can set the tone for what they've campaigned on, but lawmaking comes from the members of Congress, and there's only so much a President can do to influence those folks.
The days of arm twisting and evening cocktails with the loyal opposition ended many years ago. Until we get a Congress that believes in Country first, things will remain as they are now, and whoever the President is, he or she will spend their time in office railing for things that others will gleefully block, kill or tie up till it's dead....just for sport and attention.

Sorry for the pessimism, but I've seen it both ways. America is in a very dark place at this time.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
5. Why is it a dark place, Liars covering up for Liars, there is no aisle, a Political Society and US .
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:43 PM
Sep 2015
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. What you say is true
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:43 PM
Sep 2015

And so considering Hillary as president, I don't see any change in that situation. That's another reason I can't support her.

But if Bernie gets elected, it will be from a Tsunami wave of support of hard charging workers like me. Give us a chance with a leader we can all get behind, like Bernie, and the congress will have no choice but to do or die.

In fact, given the outcome of the vote counts it is a fact that a leader, such as we would have with Bernie, the coattails will be so long as to carry our congress into a democratic majority.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
8. You're being very optimistic,
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:02 PM
Sep 2015

And I certainly won't try to change that, but I've seen this movie already and the cure is not based on one person. As long as the American public remains enthralled and captives of the 1% the only change will be for the worse. This country has taken on a pre civil war attitude and that can't change until the people themselves want it to.

And btw, I like Bernie a lot, and have great respect for Mrs. Clinton, but I don't see either of them as what's needed at this time in our history.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
10. It takes but one spark to start a fire. When he becomes president, he will expect us to help
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:52 PM
Sep 2015

him because he knows without a congress on our side, we will have trouble. He has already said so. We are the change. All of us.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. Realist is the word
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:03 AM
Sep 2015

Having witnessed politics for 30 years, and having never seen anything like Bernie and the wave of support he has encouraged, the reality is we are going to change the course of this country. Really.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. I don't think the OP is talking about presidential powers re Hillary. She was
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:59 AM
Sep 2015

a Senator and she voted for WAR. That is the last time I thought she was on the side of the people.

When she ran in 2008, I supported Obama. We do not need any more War Hawks in the WH.

She supported one of the worst presidents EVER when she cast that vote and hedged a question on torture, something I will never forget or forgive. Why? Who was she worried about when she voted for Bush's authority to declare war? It surely could not have been the Dem base who were frantically trying to STOP the War criminals from committing that massive crime?

And on torture, who was she trying to impress when she said that under some circumstances she might condone it if elected? The Dem base? I don't think so.

She was not obviously concerned about what we thought, she was trying to impress those who have been pulling the strings of this government for far too long.

And if she could not say 'no' to the AUMF or make a difinitive statement 'No, I do NOT condone torture, torture is an International Crime' as a mere candidate, then how on earth can we trust her with the awesome powers of the presidency?

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
4. The only things we know about her is a lack of responsibility for anything, a lack of truth, lots of
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:39 PM
Sep 2015

signs of entitlement in everything she does. The platitudes and poetry don't cover up her actions as a Senator, Secretary of state, and I doubt would improve as a President .

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
15. "The only things we know about her is a lack of responsibility ..."
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:40 PM
Sep 2015

That's "HUGE" problem about her.
She took eons to admit she screwed up with the emails.
Meanwhile it's drip-drip-drip in the news every day.
That's why people don't trust her.

Just more of the same crap from establishment candidates.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
7. Oh, she'll take your side alright,
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sep 2015

but allegiance to your cause carries a $price$. All you need to do is be a high roller who can pony up the necessary cash. Political favors don't come free.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
11. I feel the same….
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:02 PM
Sep 2015

….and yet, if it comes down to it, it's one another time of having to vote against the worse horror—a Republican President and a Republican Supreme Court.

So if I have to vote for Clinton, it will be about the Court.

Please remember that.

The problem is that if she's the candidate, I don't know how I'll make calls for her, knock on doors, volunteer, attend rallies and in general argue for her.

If Debbie Wasserman Schultz prevents the usual number of debates and the Dems again squeeze out the base—the Party won't recover.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
16. Ugh! OP didn't say one word about not voting for her.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:40 PM
Sep 2015

Not being excited about the same old same old is not the same as voting R or refusing to vote at all.

Ugh.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. How is that? She favors the TPP which will move our jobs overseas for profits for corporations.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:13 AM
Sep 2015

She is for representing the corporations.

 

Jappleseed

(93 posts)
34. Or in her opinion "white Americans"
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:08 AM
Sep 2015

“found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

Hillary Clinton.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
20. Somehow I see the problem differently.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:57 PM
Sep 2015

It is not just the Congress which needs to be changed
for any democratic POTUS. The powers of the MIC, CIA,
NSA and their profiting corporations are an almost
unsurmountable problem, which most voters don't
understand.

If the people stand up for several years, and manage
to change the Congress we may see a little bit of
progress, but the "yoooge" powers will still rule the
POTUS.

Still, I am willing to fight for Bernie in spite of
the odds.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
24. Yeah. The system needs an overhaul
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:08 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie is just the leg up we need. His election will inspire many more like him to jump in and run for offices. Indeed, the odds are not good, but with Bernie in office the odds are much better. I don't see the odds changing with Hillary.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
21. Yeah. In a sane country, Clinton would not even be running, because she
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:00 AM
Sep 2015

would have no chance against a real Democrat like Bernie.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
22. I Wish She Were Really For Womens' Interest Too
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:00 AM
Sep 2015

I would love to vote for a female candidate but unfortunately Hillary Clinton does not stand for traditional female interests, like Peace over War. Her vote for the Iraq War proves to me that she is not what I would call a real woman. She was acting like a man with that vote and she sounds like way too tough and way too war like. Sad.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
29. Well you probably won't have to be bummed for too long.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:48 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie is overtaking her one state at a time so pretty soon she will not be your party's leading candidate.

Oh yeah.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
35. I don not know what to tell you, it is either Hilary or a fucking trump!
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:10 AM
Sep 2015

Which one you want, trump vs Hilary. I will take Hilary every frigging day, it is that simple!

On the other hand, if Mr. Sanders is gaining ground, I would prefer him. Put this in your pipe and smoke it, VP Biden is not running!

So you either vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Sanders but please do not let a Republican get elected!

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
36. Well she isn't so the only option is to work harder for those that support our values
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:29 AM
Sep 2015

and withhold support and votes for those who do not.

For myself the choice is black and white, no gray area at all....If Bernie does not win the 1% win and the 99% lose, period end of story.



Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
38. "Money"
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

Money: Money never changes. To get it you have to pursue it, to pursue it you have to be "worthy" of it. It's a great racket that's been inflicted on us. Anyone wanting to get elected has to kneel down and pray for the "free speech" to rain down on them by the millions. To be President, you need billions of those free speech drops to rain down on you.

We need a game changer. And having found one, we should really consider doing what we can to elect that person. To me, this is a big part of what this election is about.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
40. I bet Bernie feels the same
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:56 PM
Sep 2015

I would imagine that Bernie wishes Hillary was more attuned to the People, then he wouldn't have to do what he is doing. Instead he could just sit back and enjoy himself. As it is, he sees the void in the leadership and so he patriotically steps in to fill that void.

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