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(47,498 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:29 PM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders’s surge doesn’t mean the Democratic race is wide open. Here’s why.

New polling data from YouGov/CBS, which shows Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) now ahead of Hillary Rodham Clinton by 22 percentage points in New Hampshire and 10 points in Iowa, prompted a mini media frenzy earlier this week. These numbers were widely reported in news outlets, often under such overhyped headlines The New York Post’s “Bernie is Wiping the Floor with Hillary in Latest Polls,” Salon’s “Hillary is No Lock, Bernie is No Fluke: The Democratic Race is Wide Open,” and Breitbart’s “Poll: Bernie Sanders Surging, Hillary Clinton Cratering”

A simultaneous YouGov/CBS statewide survey of likely Democratic primary voters in South Carolina was nowhere to be found in those eye-catching headlines, though. The media paid much less attention to those numbers that showed Clinton ahead of Sanders by 23 percentage points in the Palmetto State. Sanders’s Cinderella surge, after all, is simply a better narrative than Goliath crushing David in South Carolina.

But the South Carolina poll results are probably more important for understanding how the contest for the Democratic presidential nomination will play out next year. The graph below shows Sanders even with Clinton among white voters nationally and ahead with this group in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. It is not too surprising, then, that he is now winning the almost all-white early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/09/17/bernie-sanderss-surge-doesnt-mean-the-democratic-race-is-wide-open-heres-why/

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Bernie Sanders’s surge doesn’t mean the Democratic race is wide open. Here’s why. (Original Post) question everything Sep 2015 OP
You can't tell anything from a snapshot nichomachus Sep 2015 #1
Debbie Wasserman Schultz merely delayed the day of reckoning for Hillary by delaying the debates virtualobserver Sep 2015 #3
Part of Hillary's numbers are given to Biden who upaloopa Sep 2015 #2
A ton of assumptions there. morningfog Sep 2015 #4
Good analysis Gothmog Sep 2015 #5
We've been told "Polls don't matter" left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #6

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
1. You can't tell anything from a snapshot
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:33 PM
Sep 2015

You need to look at a trend. Bernie is trending up, and Hillary is trending down.

Every day, there are more Bernie supporters and every day, there is a new misstep from the Clinton campaign and its surrogates.

Hillary has locked up her automatic base, but you don't see her attracting any new supporters.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
3. Debbie Wasserman Schultz merely delayed the day of reckoning for Hillary by delaying the debates
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:39 PM
Sep 2015

As you say, there just might be a radically different snapshot by the time we get to the primaries.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Part of Hillary's numbers are given to Biden who
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:38 PM
Sep 2015

isn't running. When they stop including Biden in national polls Hillary leads Sanders by around 40 points. Sanders will never get above the 20's nationally because he will never get the minority vote.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. A ton of assumptions there.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:46 PM
Sep 2015

You assume all of Biden folks will go to Hillary, doubtful.

You assume Bernie will never be able to increase his support among people of color, also doubtful.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
6. We've been told "Polls don't matter"
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 02:14 PM
Sep 2015

"Polls don't matter" when Bernie's ahead.
Polls do matter when HC is ahead.

Must be that 'new math'.

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