2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAfter Romney in London, I think we have locked up...
the Presidency for Obama for another 4 years, (IF we can get people out to vote!)
How about strategies to keep the Senate and win back the House of Representatives?
Are there any places, groups, organizations, opportunities and strategies to assure this will happen, too?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to over-simplify the task of re-electing Obama. I know we still have workd to do in Sept, Oct, to make sure people can get to vote with an ID, and to make sure 18-28 year olds actually vote again or for the first time.
But is there a "think tank central" and the strategy army working hard to get the House back and keep the Senate, in all the key races?
Just asking for information, resources, ideas, all welcomed, to fight off the PAC's and their 100's of millions of dollars going after House and Senate.
Please advise, re-direct me to the right forum for this talk, or help us plan some ways to get all of these three challenges done, (1.re-elect Obama 2. Keep Senate 3 get back House)
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)I hope you are right.
monmouth
(21,078 posts)dressed and poised blow...
DrDan
(20,411 posts)and over 3 months for voters to forget
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Dollars do not actually equal votes. Honestly, truly, they don't. The best you can do is try to influence voters by spending on ad campaigns. There's no guarantee that that will work, and it can actually be scuttled by a competent competing campaign.
Basically, your campaign treasure chest is only as good as what you can buy with it. You could have billions to spend, but if you don't actually have any good material, you might as well just scrape change out of the couch.
The Romney campaign doesn't have anything. It's three months to the election as you say, and they've put out nothing of note. No good pro-Romney ads, not even any hitting anti-Obama ads. With all that money, you'd think there would have at least been an opening salvo, but there hasn't been.
And now we see that the Romney Campaign is so on the defensive, so off-balance, that they're actually barking out the overtly racist rhetoric and getting into (and losing) slapfights with another country. If they had something worth all that money, they would use it now.
Unless Romney's got something fucking magnificent to unleash on October 30th, we can honestly say he's not even competing at this point. This is Obama's game - all he's got to do is keep the benefits of his own presidency in people's minds, while we encourage everyone we know to go vote.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)this is not going to be a runaway . . . thinking it is will put the GOP back in the WH - this is going to be a close election
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)In fact, if we keep telling everybody Obama is going to have a really tough time without voter suppression, stolen elections, etc. then guess what?
That too, might put the GOP back in the White House.
Truth is, this may indeed come somewhat close. But the GOP is going to have to be VERY successful with dirty tricks and and if they fail to steal just one swing state, they'll have no chance at all.....and if their attempts at dirty tricks fail......I can't say for sure there would be a landslide ala 1984. But, there would be a very realistic chance of Obama winning by a comfortable margin.
GoCubsGo
(32,091 posts)And, I live in South Carolina, and get my TV out of Georgia, neither of which are "key" states.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)idiot voters
ohgeewhiz
(193 posts)I really think this Presidential election is ours to lose, IF we do not get out 60 million people to the polls.
That's not an easy task, given voter ID laws in several states, given voter apathy from former Obama supporters, people who are disillusioned, voters that expected a full recovery from a great great recession in less than 4 years, or voters who have their own pet peeve.
Now on to the House and the Senate. The most damaging ads will go after any Democrat incumbent in each of those bodies.
We should gain 2-5 in the Senate, need to gain around 30 in the House.
crimson77
(305 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 28, 2012, 02:32 AM - Edit history (1)
I don't have any idea on the House or Presidency, We are going to get smoked in the Senate, maybe lose 8 seats. As a Boston guy, I can tell you that Elizabeth Warren is going to lose. My best friend in the world is a lesbian liberal, voting for Brown. My father lifelong card carrying brick layer union member, voting for Brown. I could go on, the only people who are going to vote for her are the Boston inner city and collar suburb people. That won't be enough to defeat Brown.
As an edit I will admit I forgot about the 5 towns out in western Mass.
ohgeewhiz
(193 posts)I know Obama is ahead by about 15 points in Mass over Romney.
Personally, I cannot understand a lesbian, nor a union member voting for Brown. He's so anti-gay, anti-union.
I think you're probably the most successful PO that ever posted here.
Warren and Brown are about equal in the polls, and it's only July. I follow this month by month. Warren edging up week over week, in the polls since May. You can see Brown losing support in all the major media from Provincetown to North Adams, read the media. Brown did nothing so far to help people in the state.
Brown has done absolutely NOTHING for Massachusetts, and, despite NY Mayor giving millions to Brown, who pledged NOT to accept PAC money, this NY Mayor fund raiser shows he cannot live up to a pledge.
Warren, she's got her problems, but about 300,000 more actual dollar donors than Brown does, all small givers, Brown, a couple thousand rich people donating.
So when, in the history of Massachusetts, did a Democratic Presidential candidate lose by more than a point since the 1800's? When, in the same year, was a Republican Senatorial candidate on the ballot and won over the Dem opponent? Go back as far into history as you want. Few times a Dem Presidential candidate lost to a Republican, and fewer still, when a Dem Presidential candidate won in the state, and the Republican Senatorial candidate won? Answer: ZERO times.
You make up good stuff, your lesbian sister must be one of six million people in Massachusetts voting against her own interests.
But back to the major issue, 34 Senate open seats, how are you helping us to win any of them with your absurd posts here?
demwing
(16,916 posts)crimson77
(305 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)1. I just defined the Acronym, I didn't use it
2. Why the hell would that humble you?
demwing
(16,916 posts)well that settles it.
Imaginary lesbians liberals and mythical middle class union members are all voting for Brown. How do we know? A person of unknown motives says so, that's why.
What other evidence does anyone ever need?
crimson77
(305 posts)I know what I am talking about when it comes to Massachusetts politics. Ray Flynn endorsed Brown, Mayor Menino has yet to endorse Elizabeth Warren. Now he may cave to pressure at some point, but for right now he hasn't. That should tell you something.
tells me nothing
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/former_democratic_boston_mayor_1.html
DrDan
(20,411 posts)there were posts like this last big election . . ."no way Rand Paul can beat a Dem".
ohgeewhiz
(193 posts)So why did you bother to post here?
Are you a Republican with 14000 posts here?
If you are realistic, tell me why I should give up. If you are simply trying to embarrass a new poster, no thanks.
cheezmaka
(737 posts)If Obama wins Ohio and Florida, with all other battleground states being RED, he WINs. If Obama loses Florida, but wins Ohio & Pennsylvania, all he needs is ONE of the other battleground states (either Nevada, Colorado, or Iowa) and he STILL WINS with every other battleground state red. Obama still leads in polls currently in ALL battleground states. And with Romney's British bunder it improves Obama's chances slightly further. With everthing going on with Voter Purging and Voter ID laws we still shouldn't take anything for granted. I just hope we keep majority in the Senate, however I believe Obama's campaign has a "team" working on getting back control of the House.
crimson77
(305 posts)I say Florida is the starting off point. If Romney loses Florida its over, that's why Rubio will be the pick. If it's Portman or Pawlenty he is done. Say he wins Florida then the next states I look to is North Carolina and Virginia. If Romney wins NC, more then likely he wins VA. If he wins these 2, In my mind this election is over by about 10 EST.
It's funny I was looking at the past elections other then 72,80,84 and 08. All the elections have been fairly close.
cheezmaka
(737 posts)Florida is the KEY (no "pun" intended). I think this election may be close as well; like a "Championship Fight". I really hope I'm WRONG on this one...
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I used to worry about that, too. Not anymore, it seems; if anything, some people who left the Obama camp are definitely starting to come back in droves, while Romney's camp is suffering the exact opposite has been for a long time.
demwing
(16,916 posts)and help give President Obama a congress that will say Go instead of No.
We have to double down on the rhetoric. If we believe that the Republican congress is sabotaging our economic recovery for political gain, we have to say so, and give America a choice and a path out.
We must take on the entire Republican party. To hell with one offing candidates here and there.
We.Must.Take.On.The.Entire.Republican.Party
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)divided government. Why would somebody NOT want to vote a straight Dem or Repub ticket?
demwing
(16,916 posts)"Give me a congress I can work with and I'll get the business of America DONE" - I think people would respond to that call to arms
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)The economy will continue to be a drag on Obama otherwise he would be leading in every poll by twenty points.