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From Think Progress:Trump asserted that Clinton invented the claim that Obama wasnt born in America during the 2008 Democratic primary ...
her campaign helped create the idea that Barack Obama was a Muslim and was born in Kenya.
... this started with Hillary Clinton and it was spread by the Clinton team in 2008.
... it was Hillary Clinton or her campaign who passed around a photo-shopped meme of Barack Obama wearing a turban ...
her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering weve seen from either party in this election,
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote in a statement to reporters in 2008.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/21/3703770/trump-morning-joe-blame-hillary-for-birtherism/
WillyT
(72,631 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)portlander23
(2,078 posts)
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were (Clinton)?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder.
The Clinton team hit back at the criticism today, saying Obama's team had turned the picture into a row to distract attention from a foreign policy speech she gave today.
A junior staffer resigned in December after forwarding an email suggesting Obama is a Muslim. In the South Carolina primary last month, Bill Clinton made race an issue.
However, the tactics are widely believed to have contributed to a backlash against the Clintons among Democrat voters.
Maggie Williams, campaign manager for Clinton, played down the significance of the picture. "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Playing the race card was ugly. But it showed me that America can get past it and do the right thing.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)It was supposedly started by a chain email of so-called Hillary supporters and never connected to the Hillary campaign.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Say it ain't so...
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Months later and they are still harassing blm activists online. I see it every day.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)
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ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Oh come on...
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)I'm half Black, half Dominican.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't care what you claim to be, you don't get a pass for spreading right wing smears against Dem candidates on DU.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.
Vote to adopt the conference report on the bill that would assign a national coordinator for AMBER alerts. AMBER alerts is an alert system for missing children, make available additional protections for children and set stricter punishments for sex offenders. Two-time child sex offenders would be subjected to mandatory life sentence. The measure would make it a crime to pander visual illustrations of children as child pornography. It would increase maximum sentences for a number of specified crimes against children. It would also make it a crime to take a trip to foreign countries and engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor. It also would enlarge law enforcement's wiretap and electronic surveillance abilities in investigations of child pornography.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Your next post should be an answer, not a deflection.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Its not a rw smear if its an actual vote he cast in public office. Smears are lies, that vote is a fact.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Tarrant also accused Bernie of being pro-rapist, are you going to parrot that here too?
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)How would you characterize that vote?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:34 AM - Edit history (2)
engine?
From: http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2006/09/21/sanders_vote_on_amber_alert_emerges_as_key_campaign_issue/
840high
(17,196 posts)about when Hillary got a child rapist off.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Get a grip.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Better?
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)His own vote:
Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.
Vote to adopt the conference report on the bill that would assign a national coordinator for AMBER alerts. AMBER alerts is an alert system for missing children, make available additional protections for children and set stricter punishments for sex offenders. Two-time child sex offenders would be subjected to mandatory life sentence. The measure would make it a crime to pander visual illustrations of children as child pornography. It would increase maximum sentences for a number of specified crimes against children. It would also make it a crime to take a trip to foreign countries and engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor. It also would enlarge law enforcement's wiretap and electronic surveillance abilities in investigations of child pornography.
Why are you so bent on defending that vote?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why are you denying you posted that?
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #31)
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I suggest you edit your post.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)I'm not accusing you of anything. Sheesh. I'm saying if you need further assistance pm me, as opposed to wasting space on this already debunked op.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That is a vile personal attack, I suggest you edit your post.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm no saint but that kind of behaviour is way oot.
Mental illness isn't something to joke about and use as an insult on DU.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)There are others just as vile
These people are doing great damage. Self awareness is non existent or they are dong it on purpose.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Although they sure racked up a lot of posts attacking a Dem candidate and his supporters.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This is already well beyond 2008
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)If that isn't a ridiculous smear, I've never seen a ridiculous smear.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're only going to get more desperate after the first debate.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You have quite a talent for dry humor and that's something I appreciate, you are actually so good it took me a while to realize you are being funny.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This story is dated. Like when she was serving as SOS.
This has been extremely well known mostly outside the US for some years now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html
rurallib
(62,448 posts)no matter what the subject
unblock
(52,317 posts)i have no idea if this assertion is true or not (then again, if republicans are saying it, i'm going with not), but whoever started this crap, republicans loved it, bought it, expanded it, put a spotlight on it, glorified it, worshiped it, invited the media to witness them rejoice in it, and in trump's case, gold plated it.
this is thoroughly an odious republican meme, period.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Another staffer leaked the picture of Obama in a turbin to Drudge because no legitimate news org would run with it. Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal sent out racist emails about Obama. Clinton surrogate Billy Shaheen questioned whether Obama also dealt drugs. Clinton surrogate Bob Kerrey said Obama went to school in a madrassa and that he was raised a Muslim.
So, yes, the racist birther meme was concocted and executed by Team Clinton/adjacent.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They've even tried to deny that dog whistle politics were used by the Clintons in 2008.
But it's well documented so they can't claim it's a right wing myth.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So why should I believe her supporters took the high road when she didn't?
Her surrogates and supporters are already race baiting and lying about Bernie this time around too.
MindfulOne
(227 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667#ixzz3mQQIxZDY
youceyec
(394 posts)At worst a supporter may have sent it. No proof her campaign or hc herself sent it. Actually if I remember it was started on free republic.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)Anything that follows those words is automatically suspect as far as I'm concerned.
still_one
(92,394 posts)bullshit for the Hillary haters
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Has been known for years. The fact the OP found a story with it from the US press that is more recent is entertaining
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)link to the same right wing piece of crap paper (called the Torygraph in GB) but that still wont make the charge the truth. Quite simply, it's what you WANT to believe so you obviously don't care about the source.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I could have posted the link from the rather left wing, gasp for real, Mexican La Jornada with the same exact info. But i figured mostvpeople here speak American and English is close enough.
(On edit, this whole birther thing is baffling abroad)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)it's precise origins before that are uncertain, but Clinton supporters did try to pick it up and run with it. it fell flat because it's so obviously bullshit. But then Trump and the other republicans picked it up, and found that hteir voters were WAY more open to that sort of bullshit.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... several times by a poster right here on DU.
It's a popular RW meme - imagine a DUer adopting a RW smear against HRC and insisting that it's true!
What next? Links posted on DU to RW sites? Posts on DU linking to RW pundits and authors?
Jeez, wouldn't want to see THAT happen here.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... with a different response every now and again.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... so what do YOU expect?
mcar
(42,372 posts)Could it?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Here, a somewhat dated story from the Telegraoh when she was SOS... That is how dated this is
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html
portlander23
(2,078 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)To HRC Supporters was David Plouffe /Obama campaign lying ?
As an African American I could never forgive the blatant dog whistles and racial politics her campaign ran in 2008
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)It was just too disgusting.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Here is an old story from the UK Telegraph when she was still serving as SOS
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html
You can search it. There are plenty of stories in this.
AngryParakeet
(35 posts)Hillary did not sign off on any of it. It was some bitter PUMAs.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Top level candidates many a times do not sign for what operatives do, whether it is dog catcher lever or higher. Locally we have had this happen as well. But the fact is it was and foreign media has run stories to this effect on and off for years.
We are just ahem rediscovering it. As usual we have the memory of gnats. Just pointing out this has been out there for years. It is not new, except ironically in the US and a political board
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The closest you can get is that surrogates said things implying that Obama's background was too exotic.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)and I don't recall which one it was, but CA Gov. Jerry Brown said, either: about the Clintons, regarding trust,
" I would not put anything past them," OR
OR, about HC,
"I would not put anything past her."
I was going to post this the day I heard it but got busy...
This Birther stuff must be part of what Jerry Brown was talking about.
I'm starting to think it's my public duty to either vote for someone else or don't vote at all. I will not be a party to any more BS of theirs.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Diverting attention from HC to what Bernie may have done or may not have done.
Smoke and mirrors?
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)This is a really stupid and ignorant talking point that has no basis in reality http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/the_rights_dumbest_birther_meme_hillary_clinton_started_it/
Anyone who has been alive and sentient the last few years knows that the birther rumors have found much more purchase on the right than the left, making their way into the repertoire of attacks on Obama from elected Republican officials at the national level. Which is why this desperate attempt to pin the birth of birtherism on Hillary Clinton is so hilarious. If you tease out this logic, what conservatives are essentially saying is, How dare you spin a such a racist and outlandish rumor that only people on our end of the political spectrum have been dumb enough to fall for!
Or, as Politico reports conservative commentator Michael Medved wrote in 2009, birtherism makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company. Of course Medved then suggested that it was all a giant conspiracy to make conservatives disgrace themselves, proving that even when they are trying to do the right thing, right-wingers are still paranoid, grudge-bearing ninnies.
Its important to note that attacks like this have never worked on Barack Obama, because there are more Americans disgusted by this garbage than not. Just ask 2008 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Or 2011 Donald Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Birtherism is fringe garbage that should be confined to the farthest corner of the Internet. The 2008 Clinton campaign may have provided the body parts, but it was the right wing that animated the monster and set it free to shamble across the countryside scaring small children and old people alike. No amount of revisionism and whining can change that fact.
Morning Joe is an idiot and I am not surprised to see him repeat this claim. Again, Joe is an idiot and so he is almost always wrong.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And Hillary is also responsible for global warming, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, heat waves, Vince Foster, Ben Gawzi and everything else. (sarcasm) Do you Bernie supporters believe everything the right wing says????????????????
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Obama camp slams Clinton team on controversial photo
CNN) - Barack Obamas campaign accused Hillary Clintons team Monday of circulating a photo of the Illinois senator donning traditional attire clothing worn by area Muslims as a goodwill gesture during an overseas trip.
In a statement, the Clinton campaign called the charge an obvious and transparent attempt to distract voters from serious issues but did not issue a denial....
...This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, said Plouffe. and its exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world."
Earlier this year, some Clinton volunteers left her campaign in those states after circulating e-mails that falsely claimed Barack Obama was a Muslim an inaccurate rumor his campaign has worked hard to dispel - and suggesting that his drug use as a young man might make him vulnerable to Republican attacks were he to become the nominee....
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/obama-camp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/
How could we forget about this?