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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:53 PM Sep 2015

Is this true? "Obama Birtherism Is Hillary Clinton’s Fault"

From Think Progress:
Trump asserted that Clinton invented the claim that Obama wasn’t born in America during the 2008 Democratic primary ...
“her campaign helped create the idea that Barack Obama was a Muslim and was born in Kenya.”

“... this started with Hillary Clinton and it was spread by the Clinton team in 2008.”
... it was Hillary Clinton or her campaign who passed around a photo-shopped meme of Barack Obama wearing a turban ...

“her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election,”
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe wrote in a statement to reporters in 2008.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/21/3703770/trump-morning-joe-blame-hillary-for-birtherism/
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Is this true? "Obama Birtherism Is Hillary Clinton’s Fault" (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 OP
I've Heard That Before... Can't Wait 'Til The Research Comes In... WillyT Sep 2015 #1
Here's some research: SonderWoman Sep 2015 #5
Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear portlander23 Sep 2015 #49
2008 was nasty RobertEarl Sep 2015 #2
No. None of it is true. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #3
Hillary supporters starting totally untrue smears against another primary candidate? Fumesucker Sep 2015 #7
Bernie fans have no credibility on that issue. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #9
Says the HC supporter who claims Bernie "protects pedophiles". beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #11
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #12
you're a BLM activist? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #14
Here in NYC. FYI... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #19
They are half full of shit. morningfog Sep 2015 #44
Quoting you is "harrassing a blm activist" ? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #15
Fact: SonderWoman Sep 2015 #26
Fact: you asked "Why did Bernie vote to protect child molesters" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #27
And still have yet to get a credible answer. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #28
I don't answer to people who post right wing smears about Dem candidates on DU. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #30
Deflect! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #32
The question "Why did Bernie vote to protect child molesters?" is a right wing smear. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #33
And it was hidden. Case dismissed. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #36
Yes it was, the jury got it right that time. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #40
You couldn't take the < 1 minute it took me to find the answer to that question via Internet search PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #54
You don't deserve an answer. How 840high Sep 2015 #60
You are not being harassed and you do not represent BLM. morningfog Sep 2015 #46
I don't think you know how "quotations" work. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #16
"Why did Bernie vote to protect child molesters and against AMBER alert?" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #17
That's not what your quotations say. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #20
Did you or did you not accuse him of protecting pedophiles? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #22
I didn't accuse him of anything... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #24
Your words: "Why did Bernie vote to protect child molesters" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #25
Why are you not answering my question? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #29
Why are you posting right wing smears on DU? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #31
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #35
Accusing another DUer of being mentally unstable is a personal attack. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #39
HOLY FFFFFFFFFF! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #41
You told me to "Get help" in post #12. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #42
Someone's on a time out now, btw. N/T TDale313 Sep 2015 #67
Good. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #68
Agreed. TDale313 Sep 2015 #69
Has become rather common nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #71
A new poster too. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72
Makes you wonder nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #75
It's going to be a long primary season. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #76
Just wait until Hillary actually starts losing in the national polls jfern Sep 2015 #78
Un-fucking-believable Aerows Sep 2015 #74
I'm sure that won't be the last time we see it here. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #77
I want to thank you for giving me more belly laughs than any other poster on DU Fumesucker Sep 2015 #13
None. nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #21
Go argue with the Telegraph nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #56
if Trump said it, it is a lie rurallib Sep 2015 #4
oh ffs. republicans *own* this crap. unblock Sep 2015 #6
I read it was started by her supporters. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #8
Three of her staffers circulated racist emails questioning his birthplace. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #79
I can understand why her supporters don't like hearing this. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #87
Yea, because if the right wing says it, you believe it right? leftofcool Sep 2015 #82
Nice straw man but I don't read rw rags. Fact: Hillary ran a racist campaign in 2008. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #86
At the time, Plouffe blamed it on the Clinton campaign: MindfulOne Sep 2015 #10
It's was a rumor youceyec Sep 2015 #18
"Trump asserted" A Little Weird Sep 2015 #23
Its not true, but since we have her killing Ambassador Stevens, why not add this to the list of still_one Sep 2015 #34
Go correct the UK telegraph for running this when she was SOS nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #58
You can keep posting the same leftynyc Sep 2015 #80
Nah was the top of the google page nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #85
It first appeared on a clinton messageboard. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #37
That's what I remember too, Clinton's supporters were the first to push it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #47
I've been told that ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #38
I wish I could quit hating you DU! morningfog Sep 2015 #45
And I wish you could come up ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #48
You are all meta, what do you expect? morningfog Sep 2015 #51
And you are all same old/same old ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #52
Couldn't possibly happen here now mcar Sep 2015 #50
This has been known outside the US for years nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #57
Just saying portlander23 Sep 2015 #43
Grabs popcorn Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #53
I don't know how anyone could support her after that. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #83
Yes it is. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #55
"Supporters" AngryParakeet Sep 2015 #59
It was a message board nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #61
no it is not true karynnj Sep 2015 #62
Once again will point to the Telegraph nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #64
A CNN host interviewed Jerry Brown fadedrose Sep 2015 #63
No. It was Phil "batshit loon" Berg. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #65
How did this change from a question about Clinton to attacks on Bernie? left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #66
The right’s dumbest birther meme: Hillary Clinton started it! Gothmog Sep 2015 #70
Hillary was really born in Idaho AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #73
Of course it's true.............. leftofcool Sep 2015 #81
Obama is RW? "Obama camp slams Clinton team on controversial photo" RiverLover Sep 2015 #84
 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
49. Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:00 PM
Sep 2015
Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear



The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.

The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were (Clinton)?"

The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder.

The Clinton team hit back at the criticism today, saying Obama's team had turned the picture into a row to distract attention from a foreign policy speech she gave today.

A junior staffer resigned in December after forwarding an email suggesting Obama is a Muslim. In the South Carolina primary last month, Bill Clinton made race an issue.

However, the tactics are widely believed to have contributed to a backlash against the Clintons among Democrat voters.

Maggie Williams, campaign manager for Clinton, played down the significance of the picture. "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. 2008 was nasty
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:56 PM
Sep 2015

Playing the race card was ugly. But it showed me that America can get past it and do the right thing.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
3. No. None of it is true.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:57 PM
Sep 2015

It was supposedly started by a chain email of so-called Hillary supporters and never connected to the Hillary campaign.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. Hillary supporters starting totally untrue smears against another primary candidate?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:03 PM
Sep 2015

Say it ain't so...

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
9. Bernie fans have no credibility on that issue.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:05 PM
Sep 2015

Months later and they are still harassing blm activists online. I see it every day.

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Quoting you is "harrassing a blm activist" ?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:14 PM
Sep 2015

I don't care what you claim to be, you don't get a pass for spreading right wing smears against Dem candidates on DU.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
26. Fact:
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:23 PM
Sep 2015

Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.

Vote to adopt the conference report on the bill that would assign a national coordinator for AMBER alerts. AMBER alerts is an alert system for missing children, make available additional protections for children and set stricter punishments for sex offenders. Two-time child sex offenders would be subjected to mandatory life sentence. The measure would make it a crime to pander visual illustrations of children as child pornography. It would increase maximum sentences for a number of specified crimes against children. It would also make it a crime to take a trip to foreign countries and engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor. It also would enlarge law enforcement's wiretap and electronic surveillance abilities in investigations of child pornography.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
32. Deflect!
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

Its not a rw smear if its an actual vote he cast in public office. Smears are lies, that vote is a fact.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. The question "Why did Bernie vote to protect child molesters?" is a right wing smear.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:31 PM
Sep 2015

Tarrant also accused Bernie of being pro-rapist, are you going to parrot that here too?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
54. You couldn't take the < 1 minute it took me to find the answer to that question via Internet search
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:21 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:34 AM - Edit history (2)

engine?

From: http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2006/09/21/sanders_vote_on_amber_alert_emerges_as_key_campaign_issue/

But Sanders voted against the Amber Alert bill because he felt its sentencing provisions were an unconstitutional intrusion by Congress, taking power that should rest with the judiciary.


 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
24. I didn't accuse him of anything...
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:22 PM
Sep 2015

His own vote:

Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.

Vote to adopt the conference report on the bill that would assign a national coordinator for AMBER alerts. AMBER alerts is an alert system for missing children, make available additional protections for children and set stricter punishments for sex offenders. Two-time child sex offenders would be subjected to mandatory life sentence. The measure would make it a crime to pander visual illustrations of children as child pornography. It would increase maximum sentences for a number of specified crimes against children. It would also make it a crime to take a trip to foreign countries and engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor. It also would enlarge law enforcement's wiretap and electronic surveillance abilities in investigations of child pornography.


Why are you so bent on defending that vote?

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #31)

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
41. HOLY FFFFFFFFFF!
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:35 PM
Sep 2015

I'm not accusing you of anything. Sheesh. I'm saying if you need further assistance pm me, as opposed to wasting space on this already debunked op.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
68. Good.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:55 PM
Sep 2015

I'm no saint but that kind of behaviour is way oot.

Mental illness isn't something to joke about and use as an insult on DU.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
71. Has become rather common
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 12:57 AM
Sep 2015

There are others just as vile

These people are doing great damage. Self awareness is non existent or they are dong it on purpose.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
77. I'm sure that won't be the last time we see it here.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:06 AM
Sep 2015

They're only going to get more desperate after the first debate.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. I want to thank you for giving me more belly laughs than any other poster on DU
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:14 PM
Sep 2015

You have quite a talent for dry humor and that's something I appreciate, you are actually so good it took me a while to realize you are being funny.

unblock

(52,317 posts)
6. oh ffs. republicans *own* this crap.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:02 PM
Sep 2015

i have no idea if this assertion is true or not (then again, if republicans are saying it, i'm going with not), but whoever started this crap, republicans loved it, bought it, expanded it, put a spotlight on it, glorified it, worshiped it, invited the media to witness them rejoice in it, and in trump's case, gold plated it.

this is thoroughly an odious republican meme, period.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
79. Three of her staffers circulated racist emails questioning his birthplace.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:41 AM
Sep 2015

Another staffer leaked the picture of Obama in a turbin to Drudge because no legitimate news org would run with it. Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal sent out racist emails about Obama. Clinton surrogate Billy Shaheen questioned whether Obama also dealt drugs. Clinton surrogate Bob Kerrey said Obama went to school in a madrassa and that he was raised a Muslim.

So, yes, the racist birther meme was concocted and executed by Team Clinton/adjacent.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
87. I can understand why her supporters don't like hearing this.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:09 AM
Sep 2015

They've even tried to deny that dog whistle politics were used by the Clintons in 2008.

But it's well documented so they can't claim it's a right wing myth.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
86. Nice straw man but I don't read rw rags. Fact: Hillary ran a racist campaign in 2008.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

So why should I believe her supporters took the high road when she didn't?

Her surrogates and supporters are already race baiting and lying about Bernie this time around too.

 

MindfulOne

(227 posts)
10. At the time, Plouffe blamed it on the Clinton campaign:
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:07 PM
Sep 2015
Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667#ixzz3mQQIxZDY
 

youceyec

(394 posts)
18. It's was a rumor
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:17 PM
Sep 2015

At worst a supporter may have sent it. No proof her campaign or hc herself sent it. Actually if I remember it was started on free republic.

still_one

(92,394 posts)
34. Its not true, but since we have her killing Ambassador Stevens, why not add this to the list of
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:31 PM
Sep 2015

bullshit for the Hillary haters

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
58. Go correct the UK telegraph for running this when she was SOS
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:32 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html

Has been known for years. The fact the OP found a story with it from the US press that is more recent is entertaining
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
80. You can keep posting the same
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:13 AM
Sep 2015

link to the same right wing piece of crap paper (called the Torygraph in GB) but that still wont make the charge the truth. Quite simply, it's what you WANT to believe so you obviously don't care about the source.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
85. Nah was the top of the google page
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:51 AM
Sep 2015

I could have posted the link from the rather left wing, gasp for real, Mexican La Jornada with the same exact info. But i figured mostvpeople here speak American and English is close enough.

(On edit, this whole birther thing is baffling abroad)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
37. It first appeared on a clinton messageboard.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:32 PM
Sep 2015

it's precise origins before that are uncertain, but Clinton supporters did try to pick it up and run with it. it fell flat because it's so obviously bullshit. But then Trump and the other republicans picked it up, and found that hteir voters were WAY more open to that sort of bullshit.

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
38. I've been told that ...
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:33 PM
Sep 2015

... several times by a poster right here on DU.

It's a popular RW meme - imagine a DUer adopting a RW smear against HRC and insisting that it's true!

What next? Links posted on DU to RW sites? Posts on DU linking to RW pundits and authors?

Jeez, wouldn't want to see THAT happen here.



Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
53. Grabs popcorn
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:18 PM
Sep 2015

To HRC Supporters was David Plouffe /Obama campaign lying ?

As an African American I could never forgive the blatant dog whistles and racial politics her campaign ran in 2008

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
61. It was a message board
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:37 PM
Sep 2015

Top level candidates many a times do not sign for what operatives do, whether it is dog catcher lever or higher. Locally we have had this happen as well. But the fact is it was and foreign media has run stories to this effect on and off for years.

We are just ahem rediscovering it. As usual we have the memory of gnats. Just pointing out this has been out there for years. It is not new, except ironically in the US and a political board

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
62. no it is not true
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:37 PM
Sep 2015

The closest you can get is that surrogates said things implying that Obama's background was too exotic.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
63. A CNN host interviewed Jerry Brown
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:39 PM
Sep 2015

and I don't recall which one it was, but CA Gov. Jerry Brown said, either: about the Clintons, regarding trust,

" I would not put anything past them," OR

OR, about HC,

"I would not put anything past her."


I was going to post this the day I heard it but got busy...

This Birther stuff must be part of what Jerry Brown was talking about.

I'm starting to think it's my public duty to either vote for someone else or don't vote at all. I will not be a party to any more BS of theirs.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
66. How did this change from a question about Clinton to attacks on Bernie?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:45 PM
Sep 2015

Diverting attention from HC to what Bernie may have done or may not have done.
Smoke and mirrors?

Gothmog

(145,554 posts)
70. The right’s dumbest birther meme: Hillary Clinton started it!
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:07 PM
Sep 2015

This is a really stupid and ignorant talking point that has no basis in reality http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/the_rights_dumbest_birther_meme_hillary_clinton_started_it/

At no time, however, did Penn suggest questioning the location or provenance of Obama’s birth. All of those insane claims (that Malcolm X was his father, for example), sprouted into existence until the story of his Kenyan heritage highlighted by Clinton supporters landed in the Hulk-creating Gamma Ray Projector of the right and re-emerged, irradiated, as an out-of-control monster that absorbed in 2012 the man who is today the Republican front-runner to replace Obama in the White House.

Anyone who has been alive and sentient the last few years knows that the birther rumors have found much more purchase on the right than the left, making their way into the repertoire of attacks on Obama from elected Republican officials at the national level. Which is why this desperate attempt to pin the birth of birtherism on Hillary Clinton is so hilarious. If you tease out this logic, what conservatives are essentially saying is, How dare you spin a such a racist and outlandish rumor that only people on our end of the political spectrum have been dumb enough to fall for!

Or, as Politico reports conservative commentator Michael Medved wrote in 2009, birtherism “makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company.” Of course Medved then suggested that it was all a giant conspiracy to make conservatives “disgrace themselves,” proving that even when they are trying to do the right thing, right-wingers are still paranoid, grudge-bearing ninnies.

It’s important to note that attacks like this have never worked on Barack Obama, because there are more Americans disgusted by this garbage than not. Just ask 2008 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Or 2011 Donald Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Birtherism is fringe garbage that should be confined to the farthest corner of the Internet. The 2008 Clinton campaign may have provided the body parts, but it was the right wing that animated the monster and set it free to shamble across the countryside scaring small children and old people alike. No amount of revisionism and whining can change that fact.

Morning Joe is an idiot and I am not surprised to see him repeat this claim. Again, Joe is an idiot and so he is almost always wrong.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
81. Of course it's true..............
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:13 AM
Sep 2015

And Hillary is also responsible for global warming, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, heat waves, Vince Foster, Ben Gawzi and everything else. (sarcasm) Do you Bernie supporters believe everything the right wing says????????????????

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
84. Obama is RW? "Obama camp slams Clinton team on controversial photo"
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:56 AM
Sep 2015
8 years ago
Obama camp slams Clinton team on controversial photo

CNN) - Barack Obama’s campaign accused Hillary Clinton’s team Monday of circulating a photo of the Illinois senator donning traditional attire – clothing worn by area Muslims – as a goodwill gesture during an overseas trip.

In a statement, the Clinton campaign called the charge “an obvious and transparent attempt to distract” voters from serious issues – but did not issue a denial....

...This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire,” said Plouffe. “and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world."

Earlier this year, some Clinton volunteers left her campaign in those states after circulating e-mails that falsely claimed Barack Obama was a Muslim – an inaccurate rumor his campaign has worked hard to dispel - and suggesting that his drug use as a young man might make him vulnerable to Republican attacks were he to become the nominee....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/obama-camp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/




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