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Hillary won my heart today.when she came out so (Original Post) 7wo7rees Sep 2015 OP
I, for one, would not believe her if she did. djean111 Sep 2015 #1
She won't even join the 2008 Republican Presidential nominee jfern Sep 2015 #2
That's this week Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #3
Watch. Timing. The campaign has a series of such announcements in queue. MindfulOne Sep 2015 #30
Boy, did you nail that one! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #34
Impressive response. And we are in the Sanders camp. 7wo7rees Sep 2015 #4
You are replying to your own original post Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #5
LOL RiverLover Sep 2015 #6
"the royal we" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #41
Maybe they forgot to logout and log back in? nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #12
Or maybe the comment was misunderstood. I took it differently. Hortensis Sep 2015 #17
They didn't forget to log out, I can assure you of that! DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #23
They most certainly did log out! Where do you get off? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #24
Oh man, that was funny. Bonobo Sep 2015 #25
LOL!! RiverLover Sep 2015 #35
huh? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #21
I was pleased too, both by her firm stance and also by the honesty Hortensis Sep 2015 #7
Its a "distraction" now, but once in office & once oil prices go back up so its feasible, RiverLover Sep 2015 #9
I missed where she said that, River. Can you point it out? Thanks. Hortensis Sep 2015 #11
Its what she didn't say. Its called triangulation & she's brilliant at it. RiverLover Sep 2015 #13
Okay, gotcha. Have a nice one. Hortensis Sep 2015 #16
I would support it but all these hippies are annoying the shit out of me Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #19
That's all it is? A 'distraction'? It is a potential environmental disaster for this country sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #26
uhm... kenfrequed Sep 2015 #36
She didn't sound forceful at all to me. She called it a distraction. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #8
she did it out of political calculation cali Sep 2015 #10
yeah yeah, You learned morningjoe's talking point so good. Congrats riversedge Sep 2015 #27
No.The poster learned it from years of watching Hillary Clinton. eom Fawke Em Sep 2015 #33
lol. not only didn't I watch it, I have never watched it. cali Sep 2015 #39
pffff. riversedge Sep 2015 #44
She did so because it was politically convenient bigwillq Sep 2015 #14
it is always who did what or who said what first. That is 3rd grade school yard talk. riversedge Sep 2015 #28
They have a name for it. It's called leadership. nt Snotcicles Sep 2015 #31
It's not just about who says it first... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #38
yeah, now to return to our regularly scheduled critique of Sanders based upon what someone thinks Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #42
That was not a forceful statement. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #15
I watched her speech and thought it was. riversedge Sep 2015 #29
Damned it all. There is no win here at all. Sorry for saying 7wo7rees Sep 2015 #18
I was also here a "long time ago" Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #37
it'd help if you mentioned what DU's lost or why it's not recognizable, or what you were MisterP Sep 2015 #43
If elected, she will continue to promote neoliberal, laissez faire capitalist Zorra Sep 2015 #20
She gave herself several outs on the Keystone issue Wankle Ronnie Sep 2015 #22
Was she reading a script when she made INdemo Sep 2015 #32
I'm with Martin O'Malley on this: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #40

jfern

(5,204 posts)
2. She won't even join the 2008 Republican Presidential nominee
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:24 AM
Sep 2015

in supporting reinstating Glass-Steagall

 

MindfulOne

(227 posts)
30. Watch. Timing. The campaign has a series of such announcements in queue.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:16 AM
Sep 2015

The refusal to provide specific answers to a whole host of questions all this time was strategic.

As this idiocy drags on, expect similar strategically timed single topic announcements, timed to get the press and look all powerful and decisive.

Contrasted with Bernie, who has never been on the fence, will answer any question any time, and who doesn't treat us like a bunch of children or a bunch of gullible suckers.

We don't have time for this shit.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
34. Boy, did you nail that one!
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:24 AM
Sep 2015

I, an old political wonk, never even thought of that but it makes perfect sense.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
6. LOL
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:08 AM
Sep 2015

Someones' Busted! The games played here are so fascinating. Must be hard to keep things straight though.

Thanks for catching this one.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. I was pleased too, both by her firm stance and also by the honesty
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:10 AM
Sep 2015

of her explanation: She doesn't like the pipeline, no, but she doesn't pretend to consider it a major environmental disaster in itself. She wants that issue put to bed because it is distracting attention from the enormously larger problem of the exploding climate catastrophe.

The attitude of someone who needs to clear the decks and focus the troops in preparation for the real battle.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
9. Its a "distraction" now, but once in office & once oil prices go back up so its feasible,
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:19 AM
Sep 2015

she can bring it back to the table. To hell with the millions of Americans who depend on water from the Ogallala aquifer, which also provides irrigation for farming in 8 states (1/4 of US farmland). Its not a major environmental disaster waiting to happen, no. How many Transcanada pipelines have leaked? All of them?

IF she's in office. God help us.

(ETA: What I wrote above about what I believe Hillary will do if elected is my opinion on an opinion board.)

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
13. Its what she didn't say. Its called triangulation & she's brilliant at it.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:39 AM
Sep 2015

Its called logical reasoning, deductive reasoning, or simply my opinion on a discussion board. I'll amend my post to help make that clear.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
19. I would support it but all these hippies are annoying the shit out of me
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:41 AM
Sep 2015

Therefore I oppose the distraction

QED

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
26. That's all it is? A 'distraction'? It is a potential environmental disaster for this country
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:58 AM
Sep 2015

and not something to 'sweep the decks of' temporarily so that a candidate doesn't have to 'deal' with it until, as she said EARLIER, AFTER the election. That is what people want to know about presidential candidates, where they actually stand on major issues like this.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
36. uhm...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:25 AM
Sep 2015

Calling it a "distraction" allows her to put it back in later as part of a trade of some kind. Whether that trade is really a good idea or environmentally beneficial is an open question.

I prefer being solidly and directly against it.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
8. She didn't sound forceful at all to me. She called it a distraction.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:12 AM
Sep 2015

That sounds like a way of downplaying it to me and giving herself wiggle room. I just don't trust her.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
14. She did so because it was politically convenient
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:02 AM
Sep 2015

I really can't give her any credit for it. I'm glad she evolved again, but some of the other candidates in this race opposed it from the beginning. They're the ones who will get my props.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
38. It's not just about who says it first...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:40 AM
Sep 2015

...it's also about who is consistent. If you look at that metric, Bernie Sanders wins hands down, it's no contest. He is on the right side of the issues I care about, and he has not had to change is positions.

If Hillary Clinton had only changed her positions on a couple of issues, that would be one thing. But that is not the case. Her whole M.O. is to "evolve" when it is convenient to do so -- i.e., when the political winds have changed.

I don't hate Clinton although I don't really like her that much either. I will almost certainly vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee -- I sure as hell don't want a Republican lunatic in the White House, and their candidates this year are all lunatics as far as I can tell. But dayum, I hope Bernie gets the nomination. I would so much rather have him as our President than another 3rd Way politician.

Go Bernie Go!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
42. yeah, now to return to our regularly scheduled critique of Sanders based upon what someone thinks
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:27 PM
Sep 2015

his supporters like to wear, masquerading as political commentary.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
18. Damned it all. There is no win here at all. Sorry for saying
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:30 AM
Sep 2015

anything at all. Doesn't matter what camp you might be in.
Simply amazing and stupifying.
DU sure is not the place it used to be long time ago.

I want my DU back.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
37. I was also here a "long time ago"
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:30 AM
Sep 2015

and I seriously don't remember you. And primaries always look like this on DU or weren't you here in 2008? Besides, in case you haven't noticed, in 2015, we're a hair's width away from storming the fucking Bastille.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. it'd help if you mentioned what DU's lost or why it's not recognizable, or what you were
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:06 PM
Sep 2015

trying to win, or how the camps interact

people get frustrated with vagueness

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. If elected, she will continue to promote neoliberal, laissez faire capitalist
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:04 AM
Sep 2015

policies of unimpeded environmental destruction for profit.

 

Wankle Ronnie

(66 posts)
22. She gave herself several outs on the Keystone issue
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:48 AM
Sep 2015

The subject will be revisited later.

So, I'm not convinced.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
32. Was she reading a script when she made
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:22 AM
Sep 2015

That announcement.Hillary will pretend to be a populist style candidate but yet her rhetoric will only go as far as her Wall St. Mafia contributors will allow. I don't believe her BS.
My position would be the same if she was running unopposed

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
40. I'm with Martin O'Malley on this:
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:25 PM
Sep 2015
“On issue after issue—marriage equality, drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants, children fleeing violence in Central America, the Syrian refugee crisis, and now the Keystone Pipeline, Secretary Clinton has followed–not forged–public opinion,” he said in a statement. “Leadership is about stating where you stand on critical issues, regardless of how they poll or focus group.”

http://time.com/4045344/hillary-clinton-keystone-pipeline-decision/



I'm glad she finally decided to say she opposes the pipeline but she's playing catch up.
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