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Skwmom

(12,685 posts) Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:42 AM Sep 2015

So public education is bad b/c the majority of the benefit is for lower and middle class students?

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Note: I changed this post based on some great posts below. Thanks!

As Cali pointed out some "wealthy&quot though that term has been undefined) attend public universities.

However, I think a vast majority of students attending public universities are not wealthy. To say we will not provide free education for the lower and middle classes because it might include some wealthy individuals is ridiculous, when again and again they pass bills that are a huge give-away to the wealthiest among us and argue that they voted for it so that the middle and lower classes could get something. How is this any different, except it would seem that the majority of the benefit would be going to the people who are NOT in the "wealthy" category?

Plus, if wealthy people paid more taxes, getting the benefit of an education for their children doesn't seem unfair to me.

And the wealthiest among us, for the most part, would be sending their kids to private schools.

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So public education is bad b/c the majority of the benefit is for lower and middle class students? (Original Post) Skwmom Sep 2015 OP

yes, of course. you think wealthy kids don't go to Berkeley, UNC cali Sep 2015 #1

On it's face her criticism seems an attempt to invoke class prejudice. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #2

I think her criticism is off the mark because a free education at public colleges and trade schools djean111 Sep 2015 #3

But, social security is -not- inclusive of everyone. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #5

True, but if you have paid in the the minimum number of quarters, you get Social Security. djean111 Sep 2015 #6

My specific issue isn't students, as I see it, the problem is some of the institutions. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #8

Ugh. Yes. I cannot imagine that Bernie is not aware of that, though. djean111 Sep 2015 #10

Some public U's are highly reputable tblue Sep 2015 #4

In Hillary's world. Autumn Sep 2015 #7

Did I miss something? Did HRC make some comment about public education? nt antigop Sep 2015 #9

Georgia's Hope and Zell Miller Scholarships are working ok aikoaiko Sep 2015 #11

There are plenty of wealthy kids at our public universities TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #12

People don't get it kenfrequed Sep 2015 #13

cali

(114,904 posts)

1. yes, of course. you think wealthy kids don't go to Berkeley, UNC

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:51 AM

Sep 2015

UVM, UVA, as well as other public colleges? That is not the reason Hillary's criticism is off the mark.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)

2. On it's face her criticism seems an attempt to invoke class prejudice.

Reply to cali (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:53 AM

Sep 2015

The old us vs them, with her championing the us, of course.

djean111

(14,255 posts)

3. I think her criticism is off the mark because a free education at public colleges and trade schools

Reply to HereSince1628 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:06 AM

Sep 2015

should be for everyone - like Social Security is. The wealthy are presumably paying taxes like everybody else. It is just a very strange statement from her.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)

5. But, social security is -not- inclusive of everyone.

Reply to djean111 (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:10 AM

Sep 2015

To receive SS you have to have paid into it a minimum number of quarters.

djean111

(14,255 posts)

6. True, but if you have paid in the the minimum number of quarters, you get Social Security.

Reply to HereSince1628 (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:13 AM

Sep 2015

No means testing. Students are a subset of America, just like those who have paid in enough quarters is a subset. That is where I am coming from.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)

8. My specific issue isn't students, as I see it, the problem is some of the institutions.

Reply to djean111 (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:22 AM

Sep 2015

As proposed by Sanders the benefit is for public schools. Public schools are community owned, not-for-profit, and have no religious requirements.

This benefit is quickly going to be entangled with the general argument about vouchers for private elementary and secondary schools.

djean111

(14,255 posts)

10. Ugh. Yes. I cannot imagine that Bernie is not aware of that, though.

Reply to HereSince1628 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:26 AM

Sep 2015

Education needs a sea change. Charters are wildly corrupt down here in Florida. Legalized looting of tax revenues.

tblue

(16,350 posts)

4. Some public U's are highly reputable

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:08 AM

Sep 2015

like UC Berkeley and California Institute of Technology. The difference isn't really public vs. private. Its reputation, ranking, selectivity. So yeah, wealthy kids do actually go to those schools if they can get in. Went thru the entire process with my kid and almost all the kids in his class applied to the UCs, and there are some very wealthy students at our high school.

However, you're right that private schools can be easier to get into for some people because most admit legacy applicants, where, say, your mom/dad are alumni. And if your parents have donated enough money, of course they'll admit you.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)

7. In Hillary's world.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:15 AM

Sep 2015

antigop

(12,778 posts)

9. Did I miss something? Did HRC make some comment about public education? nt

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:23 AM

Sep 2015

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)

11. Georgia's Hope and Zell Miller Scholarships are working ok

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:28 AM

Sep 2015

HOPE and Zell Miller Scholarships pay for GA public college tuition at 90% and 100%, respectively. The student has to graduate high school with a 3.0 GPA or 3.8 GPA, respectively. Some fees are included as well.

In order to get the funding model passed in our state legislation, we had to include all GA residents, not just the poor and there are vouchers for private accredited colleges.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)

12. There are plenty of wealthy kids at our public universities

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:07 AM

Sep 2015

I'm pretty damn sure there are plenty of rich kids at the University of Texas, for example.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)

13. People don't get it

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:13 AM

Sep 2015

This is about the absurd cost of higher education. Making public colleges, universities, and trade schools free helps everyone. The wealthy will always be able to afford school. Poor people already have trouble doing so.

I honestly don't know what the hell Hillary is talking about in her little strange tweets.

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