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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:43 AM Sep 2015

Bernie's great post over on daily kos.

<snip>
No one, in my view, should be allowed to profit from putting more people behind bars – whether they’re inmates in jail or immigrants held in detention centers. In fact, I believe that private prisons shouldn’t be allowed to exist at all, which is why I’ve introduced legislation to eliminate them.

Here’s why:

For-profit prisons harm minorities.

The prison crisis has disproportionately harmed minorities. If current trends persist, one in four black males born today can expect to be imprisoned during their lifetime. Tragically, 69 percent of African-American men who drop out of high school will end up in jail, according to the most recent statistics.

<snip>

The horror stories from for-profit prisons are plentiful. Here are a few examples:

Rat-infested food was served to inmates by a private vendor in Michigan, and other rotten or spoiled food items were served in that state and elsewhere. The same vendor reportedly underfed Michigan inmates.
Privately-run prisons in Mississippi have two to three times the rate of violent assault as publicly run facilities.
A private prison vendor has reportedly used juvenile offenders in Florida to subdue other young prisoners. “It’s the Lord of the Flies,” said Broward County’s chief assistant public defender. “The children are used by staff members to inflict harm on other children.”
Nurses at a private prison chain in California threatened to strike over the inadequate health care, which one described as “unsafe,” and there have even been reported incidents of patient abuse.

For-profit prisons victimize immigrants.
Immigrants have also been victimized by corporate prison greed. As the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) notes in in an in-depth report, “The criminalization of immigration … enriches the private prison industry” by segregating most of the resulting inmates into one of thirteen privately-run “Criminal Alien Requirement” (CAR) prisons. Another report, from Grassroots Leadership, found that 62 percent of all ICE beds are now privately owned.

For-profit prisons profit from abuse and mistreatment.

As the ACLU notes, the bidding process for private immigration centers provides “incentives that keep facilities overcrowded and place excessive numbers of prisoners in isolated confinement.” It also reports inadequate medical care, abusive treatment, and “severely overcrowding.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/23/1424001/-We-Must-End-For-Profit-Prisons

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Bernie's great post over on daily kos. (Original Post) cali Sep 2015 OP
k&r bigtree Sep 2015 #1
K&R - Bernie knocks it out of the park yet again. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #2
K&R eom Duval Sep 2015 #3
rec & kick MerryBlooms Sep 2015 #4
K&R.... daleanime Sep 2015 #5
Another reason I'm for Bernie... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #6
K & R SoapBox Sep 2015 #7
Wanna bet the Clinton camp ignores this? Android3.14 Sep 2015 #8
Are you kidding? The private prison industry raises funds for her. Scuba Sep 2015 #12
But all we'll hear from her supporters is whining about character assassination Android3.14 Sep 2015 #14
In fact if you mention to them that she's getting money from this horrific industry... BeanMusical Sep 2015 #24
more likely on Saturday, she'll roll out, "We must make prison reform a priority" Doctor_J Sep 2015 #41
more empty platitudes from the OWS, dashiki poseur crowd. Obviously this campaign is about nothing Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #9
Hey Warren for fun... TM99 Sep 2015 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #11
K & R. Bernie blasts the deplorable brutal system designed to damage minorities & gain profit. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #13
What a disgrace indeed! tecelote Sep 2015 #47
Thank you Bernie kenfrequed Sep 2015 #15
Watch Hillary "come up with" the same idea tomorrow Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #33
Alright it is time for the revolution to take another step. Get jwirr Sep 2015 #16
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #17
Kicked and Rec'd. Thanks for the post. n/t ion_theory Sep 2015 #18
I am sooo ready for Bernie to be president! They_Live Sep 2015 #19
Do it before the reporting deadline of end of month Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #35
thanks for the tip! They_Live Sep 2015 #39
Thank you Bernie! (and Cali) n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #20
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #21
Kick for discussing the issues. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #22
Ever wonder why he doesn't post on DU? Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #23
Maybe he read the posts calling him a racist, a pedophile protector, a gun nut who's responsible for beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #25
Is Hillary posting on hillarymojo? BeanMusical Sep 2015 #26
he's posted on kos for years. And let's face it, kos is far more influential than du cali Sep 2015 #28
yes, and there's a reason for that Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #43
Actually, kenfrequed Sep 2015 #29
Like he wants to appear as a nut job! Don't come here, Bern! Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #36
Thanks for posting this Frances Sep 2015 #27
Like others, I've started using the word PROFITIZATION rather than privatization. It's more appalachiablue Sep 2015 #49
It should COST society to imprison someone.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #30
follow the money MasonDreams Sep 2015 #31
The prison (slave) labor business is booming too.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #32
OMG Looks like the South won the Civil War MasonDreams Sep 2015 #34
Sorry, this is dumb Dems2002 Sep 2015 #37
A Flash Flood starts with a single drop. bvar22 Sep 2015 #38
Then we should focus on the areas that are most in danger not the areas with drops uponit7771 Sep 2015 #50
If Private Prisons were the ONLY issue for Bernie, bvar22 Sep 2015 #53
Sure - guess what BLM started it all Dems2002 Sep 2015 #52
you couldn't be more wrong cali Sep 2015 #42
+1 NealK Sep 2015 #48
That's it? Dems2002 Sep 2015 #51
Not to divert this thread about the Privatized Prison scam, bvar22 Sep 2015 #40
K&R Paka Sep 2015 #44
K & R! Everyone I've ever spoken to feels just like this when private prisons come up. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #45
K&R Thank You for posting this. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #46
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. K&R - Bernie knocks it out of the park yet again.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:49 AM
Sep 2015

I hope to goodness this comes up during the debates.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
6. Another reason I'm for Bernie...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:21 AM
Sep 2015

...the private prison industry simply should not exist. Anything that gives an incentive to imprison more people, and for longer times, is an affront to decency.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
8. Wanna bet the Clinton camp ignores this?
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

An ethical and informed person will support Bernie and/or O'Malley.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
14. But all we'll hear from her supporters is whining about character assassination
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:23 AM
Sep 2015

And complaints about how rude Bernie and O'Malley supporters are.

When your candidate supports a disgusting industry such as for-profit prisons, it is time for some blunt talk.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
24. In fact if you mention to them that she's getting money from this horrific industry...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:25 PM
Sep 2015

You'll be called a HATER!1!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
41. more likely on Saturday, she'll roll out, "We must make prison reform a priority"
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:11 PM
Sep 2015

The PUMAS will announce what a bold and leaderful statement this is, and wonder out loud why Bernie never discusses the issue.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. more empty platitudes from the OWS, dashiki poseur crowd. Obviously this campaign is about nothing
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:08 AM
Sep 2015

except looking "hip", skinny jeans, mustache wax and cold-pressed coffee


or something...




 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
10. Hey Warren for fun...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

look up Clinton supporter Anne Hathaway and her husband.

Give you a hint.

His middle name is 'skinny jeans'.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
13. K & R. Bernie blasts the deplorable brutal system designed to damage minorities & gain profit.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:20 AM
Sep 2015

Well said Bernie and thanks for the OP.

What a disgrace in this country, the wealthiest in the history of the world. The US has 2.2 million prisoners, the largest incarcerated population in the world including authoritarian, communist China.

One in four prisoners worldwide is imprisoned in the United States, according to Ta-Nehisi Coates, journalist for 'The Atlantic' and others. It's 'The New Jim Crow' as legal scholar Michelle Alexander has recently written about in her award winning book of the same name.

The militarized police departments throughout the US that are aggressively targeting and killing black and brown people also must undergo major changes. Increasingly there seems to be little difference between the police and the US military that is instituted to defend us from foreign attackers.

In arresting thousands, often illegally, for trivial offenses and with little accountability, the police are adding to their dept. funds and local and state treasury coffers. These arrests are also seriously damaging families and communities and providing inmates to keep the lucrative, highly profitable and privatized PIC maintained. It has to end.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
33. Watch Hillary "come up with" the same idea tomorrow
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 03:59 PM
Sep 2015

and the media will act like it was all her idea - like all her ideas.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
16. Alright it is time for the revolution to take another step. Get
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:32 AM
Sep 2015

behind this bill by calling your senators. The movement is meant to create change and this is one we can work on now.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
35. Do it before the reporting deadline of end of month
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 04:00 PM
Sep 2015

That's when we get to find out how much money and how many donations Bernie has.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

For-profit prisons undermines the very spirit of this nation. It must end.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
23. Ever wonder why he doesn't post on DU?
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

I wonder if he asked members of his campaign staff where he should post.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. Maybe he read the posts calling him a racist, a pedophile protector, a gun nut who's responsible for
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:28 PM
Sep 2015

the people killed at Sandy Hook, a Zionist Jew, a moocher, a draft dodger, a pervert who has rape fantasies... do I need to go on or do you want to make another snide comment in a positive thread about Bernie and add to the list?




Frances

(8,545 posts)
27. Thanks for posting this
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:33 PM
Sep 2015

I saw it at Daily Kos, but I want all DUers to see it too

I agree 100%

After our government's experiments with privatization, I understand whey the government took over these things in the first place. The government is not perfect, far from it, but it is better than privatization, which lends itself to corruption more easily

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
49. Like others, I've started using the word PROFITIZATION rather than privatization. It's more
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:06 AM
Sep 2015

fitting especially in these times.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. It should COST society to imprison someone....
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:28 PM
Sep 2015

That creates a deterrent to locking people up.

We are paying to jail these people PLUS we are paying to make the CEO and the shareholders of the jail rich. The more people we jail - the more money they make so naturally they pay judges to jail more people.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
32. The prison (slave) labor business is booming too....
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 03:10 PM
Sep 2015

The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. “This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors.”

According to the Left Business Observer, the federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289?print=1

There have been bills introduced to require prisoners to work 50 hours a week in on site factories for little or no pay.

And let's not forget prisoners in call centers,....that person you talked to for your airline reservation could be behind bars.

Dems2002

(509 posts)
37. Sorry, this is dumb
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 04:23 PM
Sep 2015

Listen, I love and support Bernie. But focusing on the for-profit prisons is such a drop in the bucket.

Fewer than 150,000 people out of 2.2 million are currently in for-profit prisons. The majority of these people are in state facilities that the Feds don't even control.

So great, we succeed and ban for-profit prisons...then what? The people in these prisons get moved into overcrowded public prisons that aren't exactly country clubs and have their own share of horror stories.

The issue is our ridiculous incarceration rates and EVERYONE who profits off of it...do people realize that prisoners oftentimes work for private companies in prison and can make as little as .17 cents an hour?

Tons of corporations use prison labor to make their crap. Starbucks hires them to put together their Christmas box sets!

These two corporations may be evil, but they are a drop in the bucket of our awful system. Go after that, please. And let me see a path to 500,000...the total number of people who would be in jail if incarceration rates hadn't increased 700% after the civil rights act was passed and the war on drugs began.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
53. If Private Prisons were the ONLY issue for Bernie,
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:16 PM
Sep 2015

I might agree with you,
but that insinuation is so far off base as to be laughable.

Besides 150,000 Americans locked up in For Profit Prisons (and growing) is enough to be very concerned about...
even a Presidential election.

Would you just abandon those 150,000 Americans?
They are important to me,
and if you were one of them it would be important to you too.

I guess some people don't care about the rapidly growing of the Private Prison Industry.
I heard it is very lucrative for the owners & stockholders. Private Prisons.
Those would be Hillary supporters.

Dems2002

(509 posts)
52. Sure - guess what BLM started it all
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 02:37 PM
Sep 2015

Here is my problem...BLM has started it all. They are taking a lead and focusing on the injustice inherent in our system. This feels to me like white people want to ignore them and focus attention over here because what BLM is showing us is too threatening to deal with.

Right now there are several different bipartisan bills in congress to change sentencing laws. Lots of action at the state level as well. California became the first state to do away with grand juries for killer cops.

So why not continue to push these issues? Why get sideways and focus on two bad companies when success doesn't actually help real live people escape the draconian system of injustice we currently have?

Dems2002

(509 posts)
51. That's it?
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:51 PM
Sep 2015

Why? What is your evidence? Why is going after two companies more important than all of the other profiteers? Why just them?

What about Starbucks? They use prison labor to put together their Christmas gift packages.

Or Californian law enforcement who just killed a non-partisan bill to end civil asset forfeiture without a conviction?

Or prison guard unions who fight the same fight as these for profits to keep prisoners behind bars longer.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
40. Not to divert this thread about the Privatized Prison scam,
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:08 PM
Sep 2015

Other things that should NEVER be "privatized" in a democracy:

*Voting machines, tabulators, and the
reporting of votes

*Armed Military "Consultants" (Mercenaries)

*Our Public School System
(If it is broken...it is OUR job as American citizens to FIX it,
not steal the funding and give it to a corporation.)

*The Postal Service

The big problem in moving these agencies to The Private Sector is that they become opaque.
Oversight is removed from the American People, and put in the hands of a few greedy people in a boardroom.
AS an American citizen, I have a RIGHT and a DUTY to oversee our prisons, voting, Schools, the Postal Service.

The Military should be answerable TO THE PEOPLE if they are going to torture and kill in OUR names.
Blackwater could (and still does) kill indiscriminately without oversight or consequences.
THAT is Un-American, and un-democratic.

It is OUR job to undo these insults to democracy.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
45. K & R! Everyone I've ever spoken to feels just like this when private prisons come up.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 02:31 AM
Sep 2015

They are immoral. Unconscionable. Capitalism at its absolute worst, and folks, capitalism sucks!

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