It had some minor points (which I discussed) but that is a hit piece

Trying to stay objective during the primaries is difficult.

The way Obama supporters feel about him is how I feel about Bernie.

I've caught hell from all sides...even the Obama side, at times (and I'm a somewhat mild Obama supporter)

This probably will not be the last we hear of this.

After what she wrote about Obama she is the LAST person who should be calling out intolerance.

there are a few people around here who seem to get off on posting the ugliest stuff they can find on Bernie, whether there is any truth to it or not.

My nephew is a wonderful kid, raised by his mom and dad, who never married. I've never been married either. It's not the "must thing to do" it used to be.

I look forward to the day that politicians are not required to be the perfect married family, perfect color, perfect number of children, perfect marriage, perfect religion...damn, we need real people as politicians. Look how perfect the Clintons were, yet the people who would happily point out Bernie's child OOW, are madly in love with the Clintons, blue dress and all.

Oliver is brilliant.

It attempts to blame six months of hate against him from Hillary supporters, on a three week old endorsement by a BLM activist.

Stupid OP/ED hit piece

So he gets blamed for things other people say, and "Sanders has a son born out of wedlock". Where is the relevance?

Why are the black people who DO support Sanders considered the "wrong" black people?

as the "writer" of that screed implies.

What a crock of shit.

And fucking anyone who claims that Bernie supporters are just so awful, isn't paying attention to Clinton supporters.

Suggesting that Bernie moved to Vermont to get away from black people is sick.

Congrats on pushing this vile dog shit.

By a writer who deems to divide her time between tomatoes, and telling liberals what they ought to think.

You can learn a lot from listening and learning from opposing views.

But you learn nothing if you put yourself in a obtuse bubble.

and participated in the March on Washington, and then decided to move to Vermont to get away from uppity Negroes because he as a spoiled white person?

That the guy who led Jessee Jackson;s campaign for President in Vermont didnlt give a shit about race?

And that his supporters -- many of whom have been acting in good faith to support racial justice for years -- are nasty racists?

Naw not buying it.

Sometimes the tone of how facts are presented is more important than the facts themselves, as ass-backwards as it may be.

For example: "...participated in the March on Washington, and then decided to move to Vermont to get away from uppity Negroes because he as a spoiled white person?

That the guy who led Jessee Jackson;s campaign for President in Vermont didnlt give a shit about race?"

I can't disagree with that factually. But when you guys do it with the "look IDIOTS, it's very obvious" tone, it turns a lot of people off, especially if there is a big age and race/ethnicity gap between messenger and listener. They stop listening to what you have to say, and focus on how you're saying it. Which is a shame, because there is NO equal when it comes to Bernie's record. NONE.

I agree that more AAs need to hear his message and record, but IMO you guys gotta find a way to deliver that message in a more humble tone, and from the right people. Bernie is one of those guys, because he lived it. I cringe, for Bernie, when white people who weren't even born in the 1960s get fiercly argumentative about who's the best on AA issues. It doesn't help get the votes he needs...at all.

I merely suggested you guys read and try to learn something from the piece, especially if you disagree. That is where you guys can do better IMO.

This woman is a racist PUMA Clinton supporter.

Why on earth would you think that any of us, especially a PoC like myself, should try to learn anything from this woman and her fucked up opinions?

Ham and Cheese!

Is that what you mean to say? Cause I have to say- it's not what you say, but how you say it.

I learned the author is talking out their ass.

...is the exact opposite of a racist bigot and anything who can't see otherwise is a god damn idiot.

I wonder why that date is important?

And if Sanders supporters (myself included) get obnoxious, it is a visceral response to the obnoxious tone of much of those who initiated this "discussion" or whatever you want to call it.

That idiot columnist is just one particularly noxious example. A poor kid from Brooklyn falls in love with Vermont, and its called "white flight" because he can't deal with uppity Negroes...That's total bullshit, and a total distortion.

The way these "issues" have been raised and exploited is totally of the beam. Yeah, perhaps Sanders had to broaden his message to address those racial issues more specifically -- AND HE HAS. And it comes from an honest place.

And yeah, Sanders has to work hard to court POC and seek their support. But as someone who was unknown by most of the country until a few months ago, that is totally understandable. But the distortions being thrown around about him is not helpful.

Bernie had a snappish moment in response to being shouted down at a public appearance (Netroots) and he is instantly tarred as "unsympathetic" and "Insensitive" to the issues facing Blacks.....And even though his campaign immediately made adjustments to address their concerns, that totally wrong meme was deliberately perpetuated...And it was expanded to his "privileged white progressive racist" supporters, despite the fact that many of those supporters are among the whites who have been most traditionally sympathetic and supportive of racial justice.

...Then he gets hijacked again by a couple of obnoxious "activists" who stood in his face yelling "We're gonna shut you down" and even though Sanders responded with total dignity, the meme was further inflamed.

Sanders has handled this with great restraint. But us followers -- who are just average humans with emotions -- got pissed off, and still get pissed off. And yeah, we express that anger -- especially when it keeps being dragged on and on.

Yeah, humans gonna human. It's easy to see where it can get beyond frustrating, and I think Bernie does a great job leading by trying to set the tone. Excitement and anger will muddy the water...frustrating when it gets extreme but I guess we survived in 2008 just fine.

"..despite the fact that many of those supporters are among the whites who have been most traditionally sympathetic and supportive of racial justice."

IMO it's a weird situation with the "who should the message come from" thing. Rationally, one would think the most supportive of racial justice would all ally together, regardless of background or race. Maybe that's naive? But I do think some have a "if you don't know what it's like, you aren't one of us" way of thinking, or a "we don't need your help" attitude. This is for both racial and income inequality issues. It's unfortunate, but it still exists among a few, and those folks can be tough to reason with. For the most part, I've learned to listen and try to see where they are coming from, but bite my tongue with these types of people and move on. If the attack is silly, it's not worthy of a response.

For the other responses, FWIW, I will be voting for Bernie if my guy doesn't jump in. My pushback wasn't meant as an attack, just an alert in showing where all sides are coming from. If I'm voting for him, I want him to win...and that probably requires a bit more net widening IMO.

Now who are you? Or should I say were you?

who opined last week that Sanders did a 'white flight' to Vermont with all of the other racist hippies in the early 1970's.

You are likely right that Sanders will sadly not get much support from the AA communities. It won't be because he isn't the best candidate. No, it will be because of opinion pieces like this that shape the reality instead of accurately describing it.

Propaganda at its very finest. Thanks for sharing.

Oh boy, let's add after some research these delicious links -

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/white_women_take_the_gloves_of.html

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061226_froma_harrop_obama_scores_as_exotic_who_says_nothing

http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/debunking_obamas_hillary_probl.php

http://www.creators.com/liberal/froma-harrop/it-s-no-longer-just-about-hillary.html

Oooooo, I really like the last sentence in this piece --

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/white_women_take_the_gloves_of.html

Indeed. McCain in '08 has suddenly become a more likely prospect. because you know, 'white women have taken the gloves off'.

This hack is a PUMA who was bitter at Clinton's defeat in 2008 by Obama, opined about white women, accepted Clinton's racist dog-whistles but now has the fucking AUDACITY to lecture Sander's supporters?!

And thank you so much for telling me all the fuck I need to know about you Left of Cool.

titled "Obama scores as an exotic who says nothing". An "exotic" ?? lol ok.

I just happened to click on that one by chance to get a sample of her other stuff.

until they use his ethnicity as a reason they cannot trust him....






Very Rovian methodology going on.

He's running for president for the sole reason of Israel something or other.

who is a member of "the end of times" church/group or morning breakfast --whatever they are deciding to call it.

A bit ago I had the misfortune of being around when her 1st hit piece on Bernie is a white liberal racist was posted late one night. That's was some bizarre stuff and challenging w/o this kind of background info.
One poster Told me that friends who went to small towns and the country from the suburbs and cities were part of 'white flight' which was real strange since many of them were Asian, black and other heritages.

Also how they were fleeing problems of 'urban black drugs, crime and gangs' which were nonexistent in their areas. Nothing like stereotyping and fabricating. Most of all the people only wanted a quieter, earthy life. But I must say there's nothing like someone telling you what your friends' intentions were decades ago. That thread became a mini ordeal that I don't wish to encounter again if possible.

support Hillary Clinton to denounce not only the writer, but the OP for posting a piece by this person.

meh.

Here's what YOU admire

<snip>

Obama’s appeal comes not from the things he says, but from who is saying them. He scores as an exotic who talks of barbershops and church socials in the flat tones you’d expect from any son of the prairie.

Had Bayh been half-Kenyan and raised in Hawaii by white grandparents from Kansas, he too would have become a political star, at least for the month of December. But he is a conventional white man. When Bayh speaks in the quiet Midwestern way, he gets tarred as lackluster.

<snip>

The senator dislikes the “either-or” type of debate and warns against “false choices.” He’s not too left, not too right. Sort of black, and sort of white.

snip
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061226_froma_harrop_obama_scores_as_exotic_who_says_nothing

about it before I saw this post by you!

Cali and your posts!! WOW lol

I hope the op decides to delete this.

sigh...

To give bullshit like this OP some time to work.

But, of course, they don't co-ordinate with the campaign. Oh, no. No, siree.

Clinton motto: Go low, go ugly.

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We've had enough race-baiting slander of Sanders.

Thanks for posting. Prof. West is not helping Sanders win support from people who support Obama

I am a big fan of President Obama and I have issues with Prof. West. You may approve of West's name calling but I think that West's support of Sanders is not a reason to support Sanders.

I hate to break it to you but many members of the Democratic base support President Obama. Attacking President Obama is not a good way to win the support of people who like President Obama.

West is a flawed surrogate for the Sanders campaign and the use of Prof. West as a surrogate reflects poorly on the Sanders campaign

Bookmarked.

You know, the kind that prefer Clinton

I think there must be.

Prof. West is a really bad surrogate for the Sanders campaign. President Obama is popular among a large percentage of the Democratic base including a large percentage of the African American segment of the base. Attacking President Obama is really dumb way to win the support of that segment of the base.

Go ahead and defend Prof West. You will not convince any Democrat who likes President Obama to support Sanders using this tactic

Every HC supporter who praised and rec'd this racist journalist will be reminded of it every time they criticize Bernie's supporters.

Thanks.

And fyi, I haven't defended Dr. West. But nice try.

Meanwhile that very poster is using West as a "surrogate" to attack Sanders

Because I noticed everyone else fled after cali dug up her history.

Classic defensive posture.

You people are like fucking screen doors. See. Through.

And now that she is continuing her PUMA support by attacking Sanders it is a "good article"?

LOL, no reason to ever take you seriously. Bye.

The vast majority of Democrats like President Obama and will not appreciate the Sanders campaign reliance on a surrogate who attacks President Obama

Do you think Dr. West should shut up and sit down?

Your posts are proving up one of the main claims from that article http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_28818555/harrop-intolerance-bernie-sanders

Your posts are not helping your case.

And please explain why you're defending a racist on DU.

I disagree with the premise of your posts and the facts that you cite. Why are you defending Prof. West? West has made far nastier comments than the author of the article that you are so upset about.

Prof. West is a really poor surrogate for the Sanders campaign if you care about getting the support of African American voters. Do you agree that the Sanders campaign should cease using Prof. West as a surrogate?

It's not my place to tell AAs what language is acceptable for them to use when criticizing members of their community.

I will say that calling an AA scholar and activist "racist" is really messed up.

Do you agree or disagree that some of Prof. West's comments were racist and stupid? Do you think that Prof. West is a good surrogate for the Sanders campaign? These are simple questions and easy to answer

It is not my place to judge AAs who criticize other members of their community.

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President Obama has done a great job and I am not a fan of Prof. West. His comments about President Obama are ignorant and the fact that Sanders is relying on Prof. West for support is not a good thing. You may agree with Prof. West's comments and that is your right. Many people disagree with Prof. West's opinions and you will find it hard to get supporters of President Obama to support your candidate by relying on a flawed surrogate such as Prof. West.

The choice of Prof. West as a surrogate for the Sanders campaign is a bad move if you want supporters of President Obama to support Sanders.

Tell me how does praising a racist look for Hillary?

But you aren't even willing to condemn harrop for her ugly racism. And she's white.

It's not.

Oh yeah, here it is:

Have some dignity, delete it.

Too bad. I was hoping they'd continue to be clueless about Internet security, like their candidate. (/snark)

Apparently they don't like the light, I just got some hate mail from a member who can't post here right now and they're not happy with me for calling the site out.

So getting back in is trivial.

I wonder if they have all the patches on their version of phpBB....

They posted the link several times and it was in someone's signature.

Now it's all super secret.

And sometimes, exposing your id to a wide audience is not politically beneficial.

I'm about to call it a night.

It's been quite the eye-opening week.

They're actually praising the racist Harrop while condemning the "racists" who support Bernie.

source republican hit pieces attacking Hillary from The Blaze/breitbart/drudgereport etc. x 1000000

LOL

republican lies and propaganda?


Whatever.

You all can rage here on DU for months, see how far it gets you come super tuesday.

This place is 98% Bernie country, no minds will be changed here.