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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:50 AM Sep 2015

Let's try this a different way. If Biden jumps in, would you consider changing your SECOND choice?

For the Democratic nominee, I mean (ran out of subject line space).

Standard caveat of "Ultimately, I will support the Democratic nominee" yadda, yadda yadda.

I am a Clinton supporter and will remain one. However, if she did drop out of the race then, yes, Biden would be my second choice if he entered.

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Let's try this a different way. If Biden jumps in, would you consider changing your SECOND choice? (Original Post) Godhumor Sep 2015 OP
Martin my second choice, Bernie my first...n/t monmouth4 Sep 2015 #1
No, again... Mike Nelson Sep 2015 #33
Hit the wrong "Reply" button... Mike Nelson Sep 2015 #36
Same here. hifiguy Sep 2015 #49
It does have a nice ring to it....n/t monmouth4 Sep 2015 #50
Me too! n/t cui bono Sep 2015 #57
Biden would be my second choice after Hillary. If I thought he had a better chance at winning DanTex Sep 2015 #2
No. He is basically no different than Hillary. Just friendlier. Still a Wall Street buddy. djean111 Sep 2015 #3
who will serve them well angel123 Sep 2015 #22
Biden may be my first or my second choice WI_DEM Sep 2015 #4
I'd stick with O'Malley as my number 2, Biden crams into the less happy three spot bumping down Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #5
Same here nt newfie11 Sep 2015 #13
same think Sep 2015 #31
Yeahup..... daleanime Sep 2015 #32
No. I will write in my choice fredamae Sep 2015 #6
Hillary my 1st and 2nd choice. nt jrthin Sep 2015 #7
My second choice would still be O'Malley tularetom Sep 2015 #8
no.not my third either restorefreedom Sep 2015 #9
My second choice is, and would remain, O'Malley. See the pattern? merrily Sep 2015 #10
O'Malley second as don't expect Bernie to be viable. Hortensis Sep 2015 #11
Nope ibegurpard Sep 2015 #12
No twii Sep 2015 #14
No, it would still be Secretary Clinton. n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2015 #20
No NV Whino Sep 2015 #15
No Andy823 Sep 2015 #16
No SamKnause Sep 2015 #17
Yes it would change from Bernie to Biden treestar Sep 2015 #18
No. n/t onyourleft Sep 2015 #19
In any scenario, Hillary would be my last choice. n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #21
Nope. 99Forever Sep 2015 #23
Yes, my second choice would go from Bernie to Biden. askew Sep 2015 #24
I would consider changing my first choice. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #25
I believe Bernie's supporters are issue-driven. And issues are why I would not support djean111 Sep 2015 #28
I don't think he can convince me Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #29
No. First and second are like this with Biden in or not. O'Malley/Clinton NCTraveler Sep 2015 #26
Nope; Bernie #1, O’Malley #2. nt dorkzilla Sep 2015 #27
No. Bernie's my second choice. patsimp Sep 2015 #30
Second choice? What second choice? -none Sep 2015 #34
Ick. Biden is far too conservative Android3.14 Sep 2015 #35
No. It would still be O'Malley. I see Hillary and Biden as cut from the same 3rdWay cloth. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #37
I really never thought about it this way... CTyankee Sep 2015 #38
No. I like Biden but just like Hillary he should go spend time with his family Autumn Sep 2015 #39
Biden is my second choice - a very close second. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #40
No. cyberswede Sep 2015 #41
NO only 1 choice for Dem POTUS and that is Bernie everyone else will not get my vote at all YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #42
Yes Al Gore and George Bush are exactly alike Buzz cook Sep 2015 #44
PRMC Al is no liberal. He is on right on climate change that's about it YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #46
Sanders would still be my second choice Buzz cook Sep 2015 #43
No Spirochete Sep 2015 #45
No I will am for Bernie and OM is my second choice. It will jwirr Sep 2015 #47
No. 1: Bernie 2: Martin. nt bunnies Sep 2015 #48
Not I n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #51
Hell no but I can see why a Hillary supporter would like him. nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #52
No. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #53
My Choices: NowSam Sep 2015 #54
Nope. n/t winter is coming Sep 2015 #55
Bernie is my first choice and Martin is my second. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #56
No. LWolf Sep 2015 #58
Hillary, Biden, O'Malley, draft Gore, draft Kerry. All other choices result in Repug President. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #59
First is bernie JackInGreen Sep 2015 #60
No. mmonk Sep 2015 #61
Nope, I'm not sure I'd support him over Clinton TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #62
Right now my second choice is the only other Democrat in the race. MohRokTah Sep 2015 #63
I doubt there will be more than 2 viable candidates when I vote in June jfern Sep 2015 #64

Mike Nelson

(9,958 posts)
33. No, again...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

...I would vote for him in the GE, though. Bernie & Hillary are great second choices for each other!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
2. Biden would be my second choice after Hillary. If I thought he had a better chance at winning
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:54 AM
Sep 2015

the GE, then he would be my first choice. I just don't see him as strong as Hillary at the top of the ticket. But he's still a good choice.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. No. He is basically no different than Hillary. Just friendlier. Still a Wall Street buddy.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:58 AM
Sep 2015

And then there is Anita Hill.

Honestly, I am not going to even think about what I will do if the nominee is not Bernie. None of the other candidates are in any way like him. IMO and all that. The other candidates, again IMO, will just perpetuate the crap we have now. No matter how experienced they are at doing just that.

From conversations with my grandson, i do not believe the newly energized younger people will switch their votes or enthusiasm to another candidate. They do not buy into the political kabuki theater. It has not served them well.

angel123

(79 posts)
22. who will serve them well
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:49 AM
Sep 2015

a republican president definitely will not serve them well. in fact, a republican president appointing supreme court judges will set this country back two or three generations. think before you take your ball and go home.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
4. Biden may be my first or my second choice
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:58 AM
Sep 2015

I still haven't decided who I will support in the WI primary.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
5. I'd stick with O'Malley as my number 2, Biden crams into the less happy three spot bumping down
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:59 AM
Sep 2015

my disgruntled Clinton vote to 4.

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
7. Hillary my 1st and 2nd choice. nt
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

Biden will get his foot caught in mouth, and further he'd have to address his Anita Hill issue.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
8. My second choice would still be O'Malley
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:04 AM
Sep 2015

Biden, meh. It's quite obvious that the party mucky mucks are only pushing him because they are scared shitless that Clinton will implode. He doesn't really want the job, plus he has a lot of the same baggage that Clinton has - Iraq war, Patriot Act, etc. Plus one big item she doesn't have - Clarence Thomas.

If the party is dumb enough to nominate him, I will reluctantly vote for him. But I hope they don't.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
9. no.not my third either
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:09 AM
Sep 2015

sanders
om
chafee

edit..the standard caveat is not likely to apply. many have said they will not support hillary or biden in the ge due the iwr and other reasons


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. O'Malley second as don't expect Bernie to be viable.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:16 AM
Sep 2015

Would prefer trying to draft a firm Al Gore to a cuddly but squishy Uncle Joe.

Lawrence Lessig would be my second if Elizabeth Warren were VEEP, but probably not too likely to happen.

Linc Chafee and Jim Webb are not on my list, and I mention them just to say so.

Looking at this, fortunately, we do have a strong candidate in HRC. She's not going anywhere, so I feel pretty good about that. Given what we face, I'm feeling downright grateful that we have a candidate so well prepared.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
12. Nope
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:16 AM
Sep 2015

Biden brings absolutely nothing that my second choice (Hillary...very distant 2nd by the way) doesn't already have.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
16. No
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:34 AM
Sep 2015

I like Biden, but O'Malley is my first choice followed by Bernie then Clinton. Joe needs to retire and be with his family.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
23. Nope.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:03 AM
Sep 2015

O'Malley is second for me. Neither Clinton or Biden are even on my radar.


No more corporate pretenders for this liberal.

askew

(1,464 posts)
24. Yes, my second choice would go from Bernie to Biden.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:05 AM
Sep 2015

1. O'Malley
2. Biden
3. Bernie
4. Chafee
5. Deez Nuts
6. Hillary

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
25. I would consider changing my first choice.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

I am issues driven. Ruling out Biden before he even begins to run seems foolish to me.


I don't think he can convince me to switch my support from Bernie, but I am open to the possibility.


 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
28. I believe Bernie's supporters are issue-driven. And issues are why I would not support
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

Biden. he is a great friend to wall Street and the banks. Warren has called him out on that. What he says now, to me, is not relevant, given his record.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
29. I don't think he can convince me
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

but I am open minded to the possibility.


That is where I am, that is where I will be for the foreseeable future.

He may not even run, so this whole discussion may be meaningless.



 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
26. No. First and second are like this with Biden in or not. O'Malley/Clinton
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:12 AM
Sep 2015

Still love me some Biden.

-none

(1,884 posts)
34. Second choice? What second choice?
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:26 AM
Sep 2015

There is no second choice. Bernie is the only choice we have this time around. All the rest are various levels of status quo, and most of us know where that is taking us.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
35. Ick. Biden is far too conservative
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:26 AM
Sep 2015

O'Malley is, and remains, my second choice.

Hillary isn't really an option, as any informed ethical voter recognizes.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
38. I really never thought about it this way...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:38 AM
Sep 2015

I support Sanders and will vote for him in our state's primary. If Bernie doesn't make it, I will look again at Biden. If he get Warren to sign on for VP, I could support that. I do confess that Beau's funeral made me think of Biden in a new way. It really affected me...

Autumn

(45,097 posts)
39. No. I like Biden but just like Hillary he should go spend time with his family
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

that's the best thing that both of them can do for the Democratic party.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
40. Biden is my second choice - a very close second.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sep 2015

I was one of the very few DUers who defended Biden against the left's phony charges of racism in 2007 and will probably have to do so again when the topic is regurgitated.

I've always liked the guy.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
42. NO only 1 choice for Dem POTUS and that is Bernie everyone else will not get my vote at all
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
Sep 2015

Besides if it is not Bernie as the dem nominee it will not matter at all the end result will be the same

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
43. Sanders would still be my second choice
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:54 PM
Sep 2015

Biden is too much an inside the beltway candidate. He's the media's choice znd would be the media's designated anti-Clinton.

Further, while Biden is everybody's favorite "nice guy", he has far to close ties with the financial industry. He worked hard to make the bankruptcy bill even more punitive than it was.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
54. My Choices:
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:26 PM
Sep 2015

1st Choice is Bernie.
2nd Choice is to draft Warren.
3rd Choice is maybe Martin O'Malley
4th Choice: Wow. I'm out of choices.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Bernie is my first choice and Martin is my second.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:48 PM
Sep 2015

I would probably vote for someone who says abortion is always wrong in the GE if I had to.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
58. No.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:33 AM
Sep 2015

Right now, I rank the candidates this way:

1. Sanders






2. O'Malley








3. All the rest including Clinton.

If Biden jumps in, my rankings will be:

1. Sanders






2. O'Malley








3. All the rest including Clinton and Biden.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
62. Nope, I'm not sure I'd support him over Clinton
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

I think he has even less excuses for some of his poorer votes but I think he is more moderate on use of force ideologically and unusually tells the actual truth from time to time, some call this making gaffes.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
63. Right now my second choice is the only other Democrat in the race.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:10 PM
Sep 2015

If Biden got in, I'd switch my second choice from O'Malley to Biden.

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