2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew York Jews Dumping Clinton for Sanders
?w=477New York Jews are losing their taste for Hillary Clinton and are moving towards Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, according to a new Siena College poll.
A majority of 54 percent of Jews in New York view Clinton as unfavorable, slightly more than the state average of 51 percent. If primary elections were held today, Clinton would come out on top but only with a plurality of 45%, compared with 24 and 23 percent for Biden and Sanders respectively.
Among Jewish voters, according to JPInsider, registered Democrats would give Clinton only 36 percent of their votes. Biden would win 31% of the Jewish vote, and Sanders would pick up 25 percent.
Clinton is in a tailspin and cannot dig her outsell of her deepening e-mail scandal hole, which makes Sanders look more appealing. Biden still has not announced if he will run, and if he does throw his hat in the ring, he will grab support from those who so far have backed off because of his procrastination.
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)of a traditional constituency for her, it just spells more trouble.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)My guess is it is less about the email mess than Sanders is getting increasing attention.
MSM continues to ignore him. And MSM used to be K I N G here. But guess what: its not so kingly these days.
Internet (+ word of mouth) rules.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)A +21 point lead for Clinton.....is....failing only in a math challenged Bizarro World!
The comments and biased opinions in the article and the mathematical reality do not line up.
Again.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)You can pretend the trends are favourable for Clinton if you wish ... It's like a personal Unskewed Poll!
Have fun with that ...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The email comment in the OP could have been lifted from a RW site....it is the kind of opinion and commenting they use that flies in the face of the reality.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)your relentless positions trend out of reality too but I have to give you props for tenacity and relentless intention, Fred.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)8% of total sample was Jewish, which is only 65 people. Assuming the 65% of Jewish voters are Democratic or Democratic leaning level from 2012 is still valid, this gives us a subgroup total of 42 people.
Siena didn't discuss breakouts on this level because the data for trending is meaningless. 15 Jewish people polled for Clinton vs 13 for Sanders vs 11 for Biden. Way too small to make any of the conclusions "JP" is pushing.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)After all, it would be historic to elect the first Jewish president.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)The Jewish population - even of Democrats - is more liberal than the population as a whole. Therefore no surprise.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)elleng
(130,918 posts)that is, to the most humanitarian, intelligent and fair-minded candidate, regardless of religious affiliation. (Forget the Israel stuff if you can.) This is my prejudiced Jewish point of view.
Many of my Jewish high school classmates have supported HRC for a long time. I've decided not to argue with them, but I have let them know I support Martin O'Malley (that Catholic! )
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)elleng
(130,918 posts)Jews as Far as Possible
'They deal with this world not the next. They are an argumentative people. They know that truth may be a matter of disputation, or may be arrived at only through disputation. They tend to accept that being Jewish, one may have to be Jew-ish at times, fall a little short, be a little approximate.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/25/opinion/jews-as-far-as-possible.html?
Just saw this, Gen, a perfect coincidence!!!
Is it not uncomfortable for Jews when there is so much attention on everything Jews do? It is like being chased by papparazi. Why can't the world pay this much attention to Zoroastrians and Bahai?
elleng
(130,918 posts)How many hold seats on the Supreme Court?
6chars
(3,967 posts)if they had not gotten so much, um, attention. I think this is still the case. Individuals on the supreme court, fine. I don't think fetishistic attention is not good, even when it is positive. There are about twice as many Jews as Bahai, 5 times as many Jews as Zoroastrians, 1/70th as many Jews as Hindus. 2/3 as many Jews as Sikhs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations
When there are 500x as many non-Jews as Jews, that is a lot of attention for Jews if they are all kind of fascinated with Jews. (And I don't think that's a huge exaggeration. Europe is, the Islamic world is, China is pretty intrigued, the US is).
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Republicans will not know how to deal with this one. Republicans fake love for Israel will be exposed.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Will they now resort to anti-Semitic dog whistles? Oh wait, hillaryclintonsupporters.com already has it covered!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)On that forum now hidden from public view, there are DUers doing just that and *discussing* his genetic inability to be loyal to the US and his hidden bank accounts in Israel.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)That's pretty smarmy.
juajen
(8,515 posts)hillaryclintonsupporters.com
You may not be able to view certain things because they hid parts of the forum.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)But don't mention anti-Semitism or they tend to give you a time out around here . But the subject matter was cringe worthy , still good to see all those regulars exposed themselves for what they truly are .
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)But we will need your pass code (look beneath the clasp on your decoder ring) before you can join. If you are asked for the blood of your first born, just ignore the request. Just reply with the phrase "blood on the moon" and all will be well.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... at the site you are talking about, and there have been no anti-Semitic views expressed by anyone there. And being as I am Jewish, it would have caught my fuckin' attention if there had been.
It is quite easy - despicable, but easy - to insist that a forum no longer visible to non-members is engaged in all kinds of nefarious activity, being that your claims cannot be disproved. So have it - as I'm sure you will - suggesting that things never posted there actually exist.
Here's your REAL problem, Catherina - you and those like you: You've noticed that many HRC supporters have left DU, along with non-supporters who have just had enough of the cult-like atmosphere that now permeates this site. And that means the Bernistas have fewer people to attack, fewer people to goad into hides and time-outs, and that takes the joy out of posting here for most of you.
The Bernistas wanted DU all to themselves - until they realized that unless there were people here to fight with, to demean, to belittle, to spew their vitriol at, DU isn't as much fun as it used to be.
Well, as they say, be careful what you wish for. DU is now, for all intents and purposes, ALL YOURS. You can post "Isn't Bernie like SO TOTALLY AWESOME!" threads 24/7. But I suspect that won't keep anyone's interest for long - especially those whose only purpose in posting here in the first place was to "Play BernieBOT", an on-line game where people with nothing better to do go on search-and-destroy missions, high-fiving each other every time they send a non-cultist to the time-out room. (Extra points awarded for a "flagged for review" designation!)
So it's ALL YOURS, Bernistas. Have fun with your echo-chamber. Enjoy it while it lasts.
And by all means, Catherina, continue to post bullshit about other sites - it only demonstrates your boredom with the site you are presently posting on. If people weren't so bored-to-death here with all the All Hail Bernie! threads, they wouldn't be so desperate to find other sites to talk about.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Spike Lee is excited!
Bernie may have a new black friend if he plays his cards right...
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... even as we speak.
The aspens are turning.
To decipher, please proceed to "the other site" - and sssshhhhhhhhh!!!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#Dual_loyalty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)by a slam of "have fun with your echo chamber" while you run off to a Hillary echo chamber.
Don't worry, such complete hypocrisy will never even be noticed by your fan club.
edbermac
(15,939 posts)On Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:45 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
I am a regular participant ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=620939
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Call out of DU member, personal attacks on DU member, and promotion of 'hate' site.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:54 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not even a question in my mind: this is a hideous post and full of personal attacks.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You make DU suck, and you always have.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: smacks of anti-Semitism and also direct attack on another DU member
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yawn, another silly pissing match between HRC/BS supporters.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There are some DU members that need to called out...and it is becoming rather cult like here!
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
MoveIt
(399 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Ergo, your proof?
Poof.
MoveIt
(399 posts)on ignore so...
It's no surprise to me that you would support such rank petulant bullshit!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I just posted a current screenshot of the antisemitic thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=620989
MoveIt
(399 posts)fucking racists, and the shitbags defending them here can
GO
FUCK
YOURSELVES
Armstead
(47,803 posts)How about Jewish New Yorkers?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)not that you don't have a good point.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Oh well.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)so the jews don't mind being called jews apparently.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)That phrase has always had a negative connotation. A slur. It grates.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)block that only a bigot like Sanders can appeal too. Oh, and they're probably only voting for him cause he's an old white guy and they're sexist pigs.....
Catherina
(35,568 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And another posted a link here to prove that they like Bernie.
JI7
(89,250 posts)uponit7771
(90,344 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Just thinking how the Clinton crowd will spin it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)New York has a disproportionate population of the above. The Reform Jewish community - much less invested in support of Israel - is solidly behind Clinton:
Hillary Clinton Remains Heavy Favorite Among Jewish Voters Despite Support for Iran Deal
67 percent of Orthodox and Conservative Jews disapprove of the agreement, including 45 percent who are strongly against it. 54 percent of Reform and Reconstructionist Jews approve the deal, as do 69 percent of those who identify as just Jewish.
That said, the poll itself refutes the hyperbolic headline.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Check out their comments rules:
If you promote any foreign religions, gods or messiahs, lies about Israel, anti-Semitism, or advocate violence (except against terrorists), your permission to comment may be revoked.
I can understand revoking for anti-Semitism and advocating violence, but promoting other religions? And take a look at the comment they let stand!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)'Nuff said.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Yikes.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Free Republic? Drudge?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I think we will see this nationally over the next few months as members of the community will get to know him.
olddots
(10,237 posts)you have corporate pro war Dems to peace & freedom activist Dems ."New York Jews " can differ as much as " New York Cheese Cake " Its all a cultural thing .