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LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:09 PM Sep 2015

New York Jews Dumping Clinton for Sanders

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New York Jews are losing their taste for Hillary Clinton and are moving towards Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, according to a new Siena College poll.

A majority of 54 percent of Jews in New York view Clinton as “unfavorable,” slightly more than the state average of 51 percent. If primary elections were held today, Clinton would come out on top but only with a plurality of 45%, compared with 24 and 23 percent for Biden and Sanders respectively.

Among Jewish voters, according to JPInsider, registered Democrats would give Clinton only 36 percent of their votes. Biden would win 31% of the Jewish vote, and Sanders would pick up 25 percent.

Clinton is in a tailspin and cannot dig her outsell of her deepening e-mail scandal hole, which makes Sanders look more appealing. Biden still has not announced if he will run, and if he does throw his hat in the ring, he will grab support from those who so far have backed off because of his procrastination.



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New York Jews Dumping Clinton for Sanders (Original Post) LiberalArkie Sep 2015 OP
if this is another loss restorefreedom Sep 2015 #1
Not to worry. I got this one. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #2
"Cannot dig her way out of the email scandal hole" made me laugh! Clinton's lead is double digit.... Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #3
It's a long way to go yet Trajan Sep 2015 #4
Whatever the trend or any other way to put it...a 21 point lead is huge. No massaging that. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #5
She has a solid lead, nice try FloridaBlues Sep 2015 #6
That is what I said. Twice on the thread. But I am glad for the support! 21 points is indeed solid. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #8
I do recall she once had an 80+% lead in polls back a couple of months ago roguevalley Sep 2015 #24
I like that. "Math challenged bizarro world." leftofcool Sep 2015 #38
Another case of trying to pry out conclusions from a subgroup Godhumor Sep 2015 #7
The whole analysis and opinion in the article sucks, the sample size is ridiculous. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #9
I was wondering if the Jewish vote might be up for grabs. Vinca Sep 2015 #10
That slightly more Jews than the general public support Bernie is not surprising karynnj Sep 2015 #11
I don't think the population knows what liberal is. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #13
The 'Jewish vote' is always up for grabs, imo, elleng Sep 2015 #12
You are the best! JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #19
'Jews are a practical people,' How's THIS???!!! elleng Sep 2015 #30
Aargh. 6chars Sep 2015 #53
How many Zoroastrians do you know? elleng Sep 2015 #59
History would have been kinder to Jews 6chars Sep 2015 #62
I think John Roberts is a crypto-Zoroastrian. aidbo Sep 2015 #63
Yes! Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #40
When Obama started to pull ahead, Camp Weathervane resorted to racist dog whistles LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #14
What you said. They already have Catherina Sep 2015 #16
Good gawd. John Poet Sep 2015 #25
where is this forum. juajen Sep 2015 #34
Here: Aerows Sep 2015 #36
Some of the pages are back up .. TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #35
Actually it is a super secret research facility leftofcool Sep 2015 #41
I am a regular participant ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #43
Yeah but... zappaman Sep 2015 #44
You're probably being alerted on ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #46
You're the one who's posting bullshit: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #47
Awesome. Complete denial of facts (anti-semitic posts) followed LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #49
Jury results. edbermac Sep 2015 #55
This post proves so thoroughly why you deserve zero respect MoveIt Sep 2015 #58
I have oodles of respect for Nance. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #60
You are also MoveIt Sep 2015 #61
No, it's back up but many of the worst posts have been scrubbed. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #48
Its not blatant racism, its "Deductive Reasoning" MoveIt Sep 2015 #56
Um, can you think of a better phrase than New York Jews? Armstead Sep 2015 #15
It's the title Jewish Press used Catherina Sep 2015 #18
Where I come from, it's more often used in a snide way Armstead Sep 2015 #22
It's the exact title from the arcticle posted on the Jewish Press website. m-lekktor Sep 2015 #20
Thank You.... haikugal Sep 2015 #28
That' a horrible photo of Hillary. She looks like one of the Munsters. jalan48 Sep 2015 #17
and Biden's dissolving into component elements! MisterP Sep 2015 #50
Obviously Bernie attracts the anti-anti-semites....... just another elitist, discriminatory voter Indepatriot Sep 2015 #21
don't forget "White supremacists"! n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #27
One HC supporter actually said that half the posters at Stormfront are Bernie supporters. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #45
this is not a reliable source JI7 Sep 2015 #23
Wingerish Clinton picks abound uponit7771 Sep 2015 #26
This is a victory for Clinton left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #29
The title of the op looks much worse than than the facts. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #31
Among the Conservative and Orthodox (this publication's readership)... maybe. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #32
This site seems kind of off to me. geardaddy Sep 2015 #33
Very. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #51
Meir Kahane used to write for them. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #54
Had to google him. geardaddy Sep 2015 #57
Wow nice pictures of Hillary and Joe ronnykmarshall Sep 2015 #37
No surprise! Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #39
Jews except Republican Jews are like Democrats olddots Sep 2015 #42
Hillary remains a heavy favorite among Jewish voters. Wow, the NY Times is spewing more bullshit still_one Sep 2015 #52
 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
2. Not to worry. I got this one.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:23 PM
Sep 2015

My guess is it is less about the email mess than Sanders is getting increasing attention.

MSM continues to ignore him. And MSM used to be K I N G here. But guess what: its not so kingly these days.

Internet (+ word of mouth) rules.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. "Cannot dig her way out of the email scandal hole" made me laugh! Clinton's lead is double digit....
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

A +21 point lead for Clinton.....is....failing only in a math challenged Bizarro World!

The comments and biased opinions in the article and the mathematical reality do not line up.

Again.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
4. It's a long way to go yet
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:30 PM
Sep 2015

You can pretend the trends are favourable for Clinton if you wish ... It's like a personal Unskewed Poll!

Have fun with that ...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Whatever the trend or any other way to put it...a 21 point lead is huge. No massaging that.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:33 PM
Sep 2015

The email comment in the OP could have been lifted from a RW site....it is the kind of opinion and commenting they use that flies in the face of the reality.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. I do recall she once had an 80+% lead in polls back a couple of months ago
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:37 PM
Sep 2015

your relentless positions trend out of reality too but I have to give you props for tenacity and relentless intention, Fred.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
7. Another case of trying to pry out conclusions from a subgroup
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:35 PM
Sep 2015

8% of total sample was Jewish, which is only 65 people. Assuming the 65% of Jewish voters are Democratic or Democratic leaning level from 2012 is still valid, this gives us a subgroup total of 42 people.

Siena didn't discuss breakouts on this level because the data for trending is meaningless. 15 Jewish people polled for Clinton vs 13 for Sanders vs 11 for Biden. Way too small to make any of the conclusions "JP" is pushing.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
10. I was wondering if the Jewish vote might be up for grabs.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:59 PM
Sep 2015

After all, it would be historic to elect the first Jewish president.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
11. That slightly more Jews than the general public support Bernie is not surprising
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:02 PM
Sep 2015

The Jewish population - even of Democrats - is more liberal than the population as a whole. Therefore no surprise.

elleng

(130,918 posts)
12. The 'Jewish vote' is always up for grabs, imo,
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:01 PM
Sep 2015

that is, to the most humanitarian, intelligent and fair-minded candidate, regardless of religious affiliation. (Forget the Israel stuff if you can.) This is my prejudiced Jewish point of view.

Many of my Jewish high school classmates have supported HRC for a long time. I've decided not to argue with them, but I have let them know I support Martin O'Malley (that Catholic! )

elleng

(130,918 posts)
30. 'Jews are a practical people,' How's THIS???!!!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:57 PM
Sep 2015

Jews as Far as Possible

'They deal with this world not the next. They are an argumentative people. They know that truth may be a matter of disputation, or may be arrived at only through disputation. They tend to accept that being Jewish, one may have to be Jew-ish at times, fall a little short, be a little approximate.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/25/opinion/jews-as-far-as-possible.html?

Just saw this, Gen, a perfect coincidence!!!

6chars

(3,967 posts)
53. Aargh.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:19 AM
Sep 2015

Is it not uncomfortable for Jews when there is so much attention on everything Jews do? It is like being chased by papparazi. Why can't the world pay this much attention to Zoroastrians and Bahai?

6chars

(3,967 posts)
62. History would have been kinder to Jews
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:49 PM
Sep 2015

if they had not gotten so much, um, attention. I think this is still the case. Individuals on the supreme court, fine. I don't think fetishistic attention is not good, even when it is positive. There are about twice as many Jews as Bahai, 5 times as many Jews as Zoroastrians, 1/70th as many Jews as Hindus. 2/3 as many Jews as Sikhs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations
When there are 500x as many non-Jews as Jews, that is a lot of attention for Jews if they are all kind of fascinated with Jews. (And I don't think that's a huge exaggeration. Europe is, the Islamic world is, China is pretty intrigued, the US is).

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
40. Yes!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:05 PM
Sep 2015

Republicans will not know how to deal with this one. Republicans fake love for Israel will be exposed.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
14. When Obama started to pull ahead, Camp Weathervane resorted to racist dog whistles
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:13 PM
Sep 2015

Will they now resort to anti-Semitic dog whistles? Oh wait, hillaryclintonsupporters.com already has it covered!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
16. What you said. They already have
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

On that forum now hidden from public view, there are DUers doing just that and *discussing* his genetic inability to be loyal to the US and his hidden bank accounts in Israel.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. Here:
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:36 PM
Sep 2015

hillaryclintonsupporters.com

You may not be able to view certain things because they hid parts of the forum.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
35. Some of the pages are back up ..
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:35 PM
Sep 2015

But don't mention anti-Semitism or they tend to give you a time out around here . But the subject matter was cringe worthy , still good to see all those regulars exposed themselves for what they truly are .

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
41. Actually it is a super secret research facility
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:09 PM
Sep 2015

But we will need your pass code (look beneath the clasp on your decoder ring) before you can join. If you are asked for the blood of your first born, just ignore the request. Just reply with the phrase "blood on the moon" and all will be well.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
43. I am a regular participant ...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:23 AM
Sep 2015

... at the site you are talking about, and there have been no anti-Semitic views expressed by anyone there. And being as I am Jewish, it would have caught my fuckin' attention if there had been.

It is quite easy - despicable, but easy - to insist that a forum no longer visible to non-members is engaged in all kinds of nefarious activity, being that your claims cannot be disproved. So have it - as I'm sure you will - suggesting that things never posted there actually exist.

Here's your REAL problem, Catherina - you and those like you: You've noticed that many HRC supporters have left DU, along with non-supporters who have just had enough of the cult-like atmosphere that now permeates this site. And that means the Bernistas have fewer people to attack, fewer people to goad into hides and time-outs, and that takes the joy out of posting here for most of you.

The Bernistas wanted DU all to themselves - until they realized that unless there were people here to fight with, to demean, to belittle, to spew their vitriol at, DU isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Well, as they say, be careful what you wish for. DU is now, for all intents and purposes, ALL YOURS. You can post "Isn't Bernie like SO TOTALLY AWESOME!" threads 24/7. But I suspect that won't keep anyone's interest for long - especially those whose only purpose in posting here in the first place was to "Play BernieBOT", an on-line game where people with nothing better to do go on search-and-destroy missions, high-fiving each other every time they send a non-cultist to the time-out room. (Extra points awarded for a "flagged for review" designation!)

So it's ALL YOURS, Bernistas. Have fun with your echo-chamber. Enjoy it while it lasts.

And by all means, Catherina, continue to post bullshit about other sites - it only demonstrates your boredom with the site you are presently posting on. If people weren't so bored-to-death here with all the All Hail Bernie! threads, they wouldn't be so desperate to find other sites to talk about.








NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
46. You're probably being alerted on ...
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:45 AM
Sep 2015

... even as we speak.

The aspens are turning.

To decipher, please proceed to "the other site" - and sssshhhhhhhhh!!!!!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
49. Awesome. Complete denial of facts (anti-semitic posts) followed
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:23 AM
Sep 2015

by a slam of "have fun with your echo chamber" while you run off to a Hillary echo chamber.

Don't worry, such complete hypocrisy will never even be noticed by your fan club.

edbermac

(15,939 posts)
55. Jury results.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:57 AM
Sep 2015

On Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:45 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I am a regular participant ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=620939

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Call out of DU member, personal attacks on DU member, and promotion of 'hate' site.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 25, 2015, 07:54 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not even a question in my mind: this is a hideous post and full of personal attacks.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You make DU suck, and you always have.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: smacks of anti-Semitism and also direct attack on another DU member
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yawn, another silly pissing match between HRC/BS supporters.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There are some DU members that need to called out...and it is becoming rather cult like here!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
61. You are also
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

on ignore so...

It's no surprise to me that you would support such rank petulant bullshit!

 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
56. Its not blatant racism, its "Deductive Reasoning"
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 11:01 AM
Sep 2015

fucking racists, and the shitbags defending them here can

GO

FUCK

YOURSELVES

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
20. It's the exact title from the arcticle posted on the Jewish Press website.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

so the jews don't mind being called jews apparently.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
21. Obviously Bernie attracts the anti-anti-semites....... just another elitist, discriminatory voter
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:33 PM
Sep 2015

block that only a bigot like Sanders can appeal too. Oh, and they're probably only voting for him cause he's an old white guy and they're sexist pigs.....

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
45. One HC supporter actually said that half the posters at Stormfront are Bernie supporters.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:40 AM
Sep 2015

And another posted a link here to prove that they like Bernie.



OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
32. Among the Conservative and Orthodox (this publication's readership)... maybe.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:04 PM
Sep 2015

New York has a disproportionate population of the above. The Reform Jewish community - much less invested in support of Israel - is solidly behind Clinton:

Hillary Clinton Remains Heavy Favorite Among Jewish Voters Despite Support for Iran Deal

The 2015 AJC survey showed that 51 percent of Jewish voters approve of the Iran deal and 47 percent disapprove. However, there’s a significant split within the community on the issue: those who consider being Jewish very important, those who view caring about Israel as a key part of their Jewish identity, and those belonging to the traditional denominations of Judaism are far more likely to oppose the deal than others. Among those who consider their being Jewish “very” important, 61 percent disapprove of the agreement (37 percent “strongly”), while 38 percent approve it (12 percent “strongly”). In contrast, 55 percent of those for whom being Jewish is “fairly” important approve the deal (15 percent “strongly”), as do 59 percent of those for whom being Jewish is not important (22 percent “strongly”).

67 percent of Orthodox and Conservative Jews disapprove of the agreement, including 45 percent who are “strongly” against it. 54 percent of Reform and Reconstructionist Jews approve the deal, as do 69 percent of those who identify as “just Jewish.”

That said, the poll itself refutes the hyperbolic headline.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
33. This site seems kind of off to me.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:04 PM
Sep 2015

Check out their comments rules:

Our comments section is intended for meaningful responses and debates in a civilized manner. We ask that you respect the fact that we are a religious Jewish website and avoid inappropriate language at all cost.

If you promote any foreign religions, gods or messiahs, lies about Israel, anti-Semitism, or advocate violence (except against terrorists), your permission to comment may be revoked.


I can understand revoking for anti-Semitism and advocating violence, but promoting other religions? And take a look at the comment they let stand!

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
39. No surprise!
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:02 PM
Sep 2015

I think we will see this nationally over the next few months as members of the community will get to know him.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
42. Jews except Republican Jews are like Democrats
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:21 PM
Sep 2015

you have corporate pro war Dems to peace & freedom activist Dems ."New York Jews " can differ as much as " New York Cheese Cake " Its all a cultural thing .

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