After all, it was his home city. What better way to drive home his point that cleaning up his own back yard.

disgusting attack on the one person who hasn't tried to get rich through politics

Attack where you yourself are weak and the opponent is strong.

Again, why didn't Bernie say anything about this? Are only some overpaid incompetent executives bad?

Jane got a small severance package.....Is Hillary "overpaid" when the big corporations hand her money, or is it the best investment a corporation ever made?

two of Hillary's speeches equal the Sanders family net worth.

LOL at calling $200K "very small". That's something like 6 years of work for a typical American. Jane got that just for going away. This is typical of Hillary bashers. Pretend to be all about little guy while calling a $200K golden parachute small.

And that $200K didn't come from a big wealthy corporation, but from a small college.

for 15 minutes of work, which is 7 years of work for the typical American

Jane Sanders however, getting a standard severance package is unacceptable.
$100,000 a year for two years.....you know what $100,000 buys Hillary?

Why, a two week house rental in the Hamptons.

Hillary (along with a lot of other people) got paid for giving speeches. Sanders got a golden parachute after a disastrous run as college president. Nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

Bernie is worth a $500,000 including his house in Vermont and his condo in Washington

Your willingness to take this line of attack on one person who hasn't cashed in is laughable.

for 15 or so years.

On the other hand, Jane Sanders almost ran a college into the ground and got a $200K golden parachute for it. The fact that people at the top of their fields like Hillary Clinton and LeBron James earn a lot of money doesn't change the fact that incompetent people like Jane Sanders and Carly Fiorina had their failures rewarded with golden parachutes.

I'll tell you.....

when big corporations admire the hell out of you, they give you cash.

Was Hillary incompetent when she ran health care reform into the ground?

The history books will remember nothing else about Clinton's time at State except for the fact that she was so incompetent that she brought about an investigation into her use of a private email server. Seriously, that is all. Whether it was illegal or not, that won't matter. What will be remembered will be her own self inflicted wounds around unethical revolving door corporate money in politics.

But we should now elect her to the office of the President?

I don't think so.

are unaware that there is such a thing as a public speaking circuit.

Aung San Suu Kyi is an admirable woman. The list of women that are more admired than Hillary is a mile long. Madonna is more admired and far better known around the world than her and at least she can carry a tune (not that I'm a big fan though). Where's Hillary's Nobel Peace price? Oh that's right, peace is not really her thing.

Some interesting people being called admirable: Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush (must be her beautiful mind), Margaret Thatcher, Laura Bush? George W. Bush? (Most admired man 7 times!!!). Wow, I'm impressed. You know, Gallup lost all credibility since the last Presidential Election when they kept showing Romney leading Obama, sometimes by ridiculously high numbers while most of the other polls were way closer to reality.

On the other hand, a golden parachute for a president who drives an organization to the brink of bankruptcy -- that's the kind of thing that ordinarily would have Bernie up in arms.

I actually went over to Burlington College when Jane Sander's successor had several open houses for members of the greater Burlington community. The story is far more complicated than you suggest - and there was nothing Fiorinaish or Enronish.

Burlington College did not have anything close to a campus when Sanders took over. Their only building was sold to COTS, which is the Burlington non profit that houses the homeless. Buying the former Catholic orphanage when the diocese sold it in 2010 was a gamble. Everything had to work perfectly.

Their plan - as explained by Christine Plunkett, Jane's successor, was that part of the large property would be sold to a developer to build housing - something Burlington needs. The money from that sale would be used to pay down the mortgage. The college, for its part, had to meet growth targets to remain sustainable. If everything worked, this store front very small college could have a beautiful campus (on the remaining land) including the historic orphanage building. (Last year, the school was using a wing of the building on some floors - the tour included going to some stabilized parts of the orphanage that were not yet renovated, including going up to the cupola at the top, where you had a spectacular view of the Lake and of Burlington. The campus would enable them then to build some dorms, which would allow them to offer housing on campus.

The problems have been that it has taken longer to agree and get approval on the development than expected meaning that the college has borne the full mortgage costs longer than planned. In addition, the college has not grown as fast as some projections indicated. However, at this point, they have sold part of the land to a developer who will not just build houses, but will build the student housing. I would not have bet at the end of the the last school year that they would be in as good a shape as they are now.

Going back to the OP, Sanders did not walk into a multi million dollar company - like either HP or Enron - and inflate the value which then led to a collapse. She accepted the challenge to transform a very small institution to a viable small college. If you compare where it is now - even after the crises of the past year - and where it was when Sanders started, it is in a better position to succeed in becoming viable.

The OP's Rovian backhands aren't working.

The Sanders aren't wealthy enough to be milking gravy trains.

Jane, for her part, wasn't given a "golden parachute." She was paid the remainder of her salary via contract. She wasn't given perks and zillions for having a disagreement with management.

funds to make it work, she was forced out, and she got a golden parachute. And, BTW, Carly Fiorina also has her own version of the HP story that she tries to sell in which she "accepted the challenge to transform" HP.

Obviously, being president of a small college doesn't get you the same size parachute as being CEO of HP.

to become what it has become?

This is NOT something I have because Jane Sanders said so - it is what happened over time covered in Burlington's own press and talked about in the community. In fact, it is possible, with the sale of some land to the developer that the plan that Sanders and others had will actually succeed.

As I said, even now, Burlington College has a better chance to be successful than it did when Jane Sanders stepped in. That is something Fiorina can not say about Lucent or HP.

But the results of Sanders's and Fiorina's tenures speak for themselves. As do their forced resignations and their golden parachutes.

I'm sure HP still has a chance to succeed. And I'm sure that if HP's stock price ever rises above the level when Carly took over, she'll be the first one there to take credit that her vision "finally" succeeded.

The fact is that Burlington College is far better off from the gamble that Sanders and others took. The plan that Sanders left called for raising the number of students by 12 a year. This was not really an impossible goal.

Jane is no more responsible for her successor's failures than Bill Clinton was for those of George Bush. Note that the deal had the support and a loan from Pomerleau, the gold standard of real estate companies in Burlington.

I'm sure there are HP employees today who think the company is better off thanks to Fiorina. The simple fact is, Sanders nearly bankrupted the college, was forced to resign, and got a golden parachute.

$200,000 is not a golden parachute, but severance due her from her contract.

The sanders are rich. They both made great salaries for years. Why do they only have a house and little savings to show for it?

Be an adult.

Stop pushing some bullshit meme that Dr. Sander's tenure at a Burlington College is even remotely the same as Fiorina's tenure at HP.

These are two vastly different situations, with vastly different starting points and end points, and vastly different markets and results.

You know this. You seem to simply enjoy stirring up contention such that your buddies will come in and high five you for pissing off people.

Please just go to that other wonderful place where you can rant in an echo chamber about how bad this woman was compared to your pristine and pure candidate.

Your schtick has become tiresome and well beyond the point of obnoxious.

Questioning of the great Bernie will not be tolerated!

If only.

Question him all you want.

But if you think smears and false comparisons between his wife's professional history and Fiorina's are 'questioning Sanders', well....

oops, wrong candidate. Never mind.

No, they are not.

And there is really nothing anyone can say about Bernie that would induce me to support Clinton. Really. Literally nothing.

will affect their opinions of anything. Literally nothing.

what they have said and done for years. I can watch candidates lie on YouTube. Stuff like that. Those are facts.

It is a FACT, for example, that Bill Clinton helped Obama get elected president, and then Obama appointed Hillary as SOS. That's not cronyism? That's not a pay-off? It is a FACT.

It is a FACT that Hillary lied about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. Quite a little story, quite a lie. That is a FACT.

Those are some of the facts I use to decide my support.

After college until his first full time government job. Something like 16 years. I can't find much. What I have found is not flattering.

Maybe you can fill in the holes for me?

care.

Or let's just save some time - you are going to vote for Hillary, I am going to vote for Bernie. No matter what he was doing in those "lost years". Nothing anyone could dig up that would get me to support Clinton, and you know that. You are just flinging poo.

That's your word. I'd just like to know what a grown man does for 16 years if he's not working or going to school. I've known a few guys like that. I'm assuming Sander's was more productive than they were. At least I hope. I can't find anything, though.

Whatever. Again, there is nothing you could "find" that would get Bernie's supporters to switch support to Hillary, so you are just poking around for fun.

If you think that you can find anything that would get me to vote for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs, you are delusional.

I'm not looking for anything nefarious.

It's his sketchy absence from life that I find troubling.

Aaaand that's enough of this crap for today.

And you're good with the flimsy resume.

You are right about one thing. "..enough of this crap for today."

"Anti-Hillary"....I like, admire and respect Secretary Clinton. However, Bernie is the candidate whose stand on the issues most aligns with mine, the candidate that excites me to vote Democratic, and the candidate whose absence might preclude me from voting at all, helping the vile Republicans. Can you please try to put Party first, over the Secretary?

...if she happens to be HC. Great. What the heck are you doing on "Democratic Underground?" You do not belong here. We haven't even had our primaries yet and you make such a statement.

By the way, if Hillary is the nominee, I just can't say anything about her between the official nomination date and the election. TOS and all that. I would still be a Democrat.
You do not get to decide who belongs here.

Also, we have not even had out primaries yet, so it seems to me you are really saying "no matter how dirty the HRC campaign gets, you are still gonna give it a free pass and support it, right?" I am not playing that game.

Someone had to take up the slack.

Have you read this place? Of course he if fair game. If not, thousand and thousands of posts are out of bounds by your standards.

I wouldn't have said it to you, because you support O'Malley

Based on your previous posts, I would not have expected this.

... I'll just leave that as is.

You know what, we all can form our own opinions, and like Sanders I'll leave the attempts at talking smack, rather than the issues, to those who want to avoid the issues.

passive aggressive attacks and smears of Sanders and his wife, you might get a better response at this website:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/index.php

There seems to be a real market there for this type of OP.

with a rational reply.

Again, I think you should post this elsewhere to get the answers you are looking for.

in your own head, Dan?

Again, if you are looking for specific answers by posting passive aggressive gotcha OP's, I can provide that link again to the more appropriate website for such games.

I gave you an accurate description of your OP.

How is that a personal attack, I ask, of the man who posts a passive aggressive OP attempting to attack and smear Sanders and his wife?

Indeed, the usual stuff.

No really, please go post this on the other site. I am sure it will go off there much better for you.

without the passive aggressive attacks on the candidate opposing yours, and I would be glad to respond with my thoughts on the matter.

than Jane's entire severance package at her job?

Does Hillary have a "job" to do for the corporations?

Rules don't apply. That goes for all of our candidates.

When she starts making $500,000 for a 15 minute speech, or gets a cushy Corporate Position paying $3 million annually, they'll be playing by different rules.

Their net worth is about the same as many other people, and they are just as accountable. Their experience may not have been a perfect path of unbroken virtue and achievement, but whose life is?

Both are obviously committed to the values they profess, instead of really cashing in on the opportunities they could have been taking advantage of if they had chosen to ride the Corporate Gravy Train, instead of public service.

Sanders helps Shumlin get elected and a short time later Shumlin appoints Sanders wife to two commission positions. Fighting to bring home the bacon with the F-35. Working deals decades ago with the democratic establishment to ensure no one runs against him in primaries. Fighting against a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people because of the visa program attached.

"No the Sanders play by the same rules as most people"

No, he plays by the clubs rules. There is a strong history showing that.

bernie Sanders and his wife live in the real world. They have to deal with the same things as veryone else in the real world, which means not everything is crystal pure.

Do you know anyone outside of a monastery who never had to make some form of compromise on some level, or has never done anything that is not 100 percent ideal?

In my opinion, on overall balance, Sanders has managed to live a life that is dedicated to his stated values much more than the vast majority of politicians, while functioning in the real world and occasionally making the pragmatic choices and compromises that is necessary to survive and function in the world.

Of course, any talk of the "real world" with relation to the Clinton's is not allowed. But we're all supposed to understand Bernie's approval of drones and financial bailouts if it benefits him or his campaign. Very lol.

I know certain conservative types love to claim they have a monopoly on "reality" as an excuse for not trying to get anything better than what the GOP and the Corporations will allow.

Anyone who thinks it's possible to do better is just an airy fairy leftist hippie who wants unicorns and rainbows, and sees people like Sanders as Christlike Saviours who descended from the clouds.

Such bullshit dismissiveness is boring and shallow, and another form of defeatism and/or buying into the conservative philosophy.

But it's an exercise in futility to point out that many people in the "fringe left" are also pragmatic and live in the real world, and realize that the candidates we support are only human.

So LOL away. Excuse me, I have to go feed my unicorn now

seep into the conversation whenever it favors Bernie, The Clinton's have been living in more of the "real world" because of their pursuit of national politics, while Bernie has been living in his Vermont bubble. Once that bubble bursts, as it is slowly doing, then we see more of the "real world" comments. I rarely see anything about the Clinton's taken in context of how it actually happened, but Bernie has to be completely understood in the proper context. It's quite lol.

The only politician in recent memory who lived completely in a bubble from the start of his campaigning all the way to the end of his Presidency was Dumbya, and that's only because of his paaay's political machine. You wouldn't want Bernie to get away with being treated like dimsun, would you? He's a big boy and can take the heat even though he's avoided the national stage for nine elections so far with no explanation as to why he sat them all out.

is proof positive of her wickedness.

And I've seen months of posts bashing any "reality" or "real world" comments in relation to Clinton, but on topics outside Bernie's applause lines that hint he's just a regular politician like the rest of them, well that's the "real world". lol,

Golden Parachutes are whopping payouts and bonuses of millions for executives.

Severance packages are standard procedure for people who leave jobs, to provide a cushion while they are seeking new positions, which are in line with their salaries.

She received a whopping $100,000 a year for two years. Admittedly $100,000 is not peanuts, but for someone in a top executive position it is basically standard operating procedure.

And, by the way, one of the jobs that is most guaranteed to get someone in a pickle is college president. It may not be the proudest moment in her life, but the situation is not that unusual for college presidents.

And, yes, golden parachutes are standard operating procedure. Even for executives like Sanders or Fiorina who did a horrible job. This is something that Bernie Sanders would ordinarily be opposed to.

Obviously being president of a small college doesn't get you as big a parachute as being CEO of Hewlett Packard.

on Dr. Jane Sanders tenure (obviously for political point scoring) when the real scandal is Christine Plunkett's resignation after two years and the loss of DOE accreditation due to the financial problems under her watch. Only now has the college recovered, elected a new president, and is striving to retain DOE accreditation, if they haven't already.

But facts are very inconvenient when playing passive aggressive Rovian political games.

all the way back to Bill's Arkansas days when you supposedly developed your dislike of him because he wasn't pure enough. I guess only non-Democrats don't have to be pure enough for you to consider, such as the non-Democrat Ross Perot. Talk about games.

then there is swimming in it . But as long as integrity is not a quality you are looking for then just keep electing the same old group of parasites .

But I see the "democrats" have found religion,

Where are the morals!!!!!!! Sinner!!!!!!!!

Golden Parachute

an employment contract or agreement guaranteeing a key executive of a company substantial severance pay and other financial benefits in the event of job loss caused by the company's being sold or merged.


Severance pay

money, exclusive of wages, back pay, etc., paid to an employee who has tenure and who is dismissed because of lack of work or other reasons beyond the employee's control.

From Dictionary.com

The Golden Parachute is negotiated in advance and a severance pay is not.

Z

I can't wait for the Bernistas to start defending that one too.

Severance pay is not negotiated before hand. Fiorina's Parachute was in a contract that had been negotiated. There is a big difference.

There is no technically about it. HP was forced by contract to give Fiorina her money. Severance pay is not a forced commitment.

Z

That's okay. If it makes you feel better, put her in the same category as the mega banks and banksters who made millions (billions) after tanking the economy based on fraudulent behavior for profit.

Whatever floats your boat.

....has earned between $175-200K per year. That's about $1M in four years.

Yet his reported "net worth" is only $300K?

Do we really want this man in charge of appointing people to be responsible for our Treasury and budget?

That only millionaires should become President?

For the record, I supported Biden in his 1988 campaign (felt his "plagiarism" accusations were way overblown) and also supported him in 2008 before he dropped out.

Next?

Tons of links on potential fraud

I'm surprised you dare to show your face around here after what you got caught doing.

In my opinion, you deserve to be tombstoned for conspiring with people on another website to alert-stalk posters here.

Check out this link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251622449#post22

You don't want to provoke the wrong people. Results of the alert on you.

On Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You should be tombstoned, not polluting this place.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623103

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Ott nasty. Crap like this has never been okay in DU- calling out posters for a tombstone!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, who's actually doing the alert stalking here? And they say "Bernistas" are thin skinned.
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Explanation: Clear violation.
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Not only is your use of a right wing source disgusting but your admitted alert stalking of Cali is disgusting as well.

Non-millionaires aren't allowed to have severance packages.

That privilege is only for the top 1%

So one can ask Bill Clinton where the money he raised for Haiti went ?

That right it opened a luxury hotel ?

not surprising Bill Clinton loves to screw over Haiti liked he did the rice farmers

of all that is honest, fair and holy, you need to measure up to that.

I don't believe the Clintons have ever tried to present themselves that way.

All fair is game therefore thank you for confirming that

may the best candidate win

What a bunch of hot trash. Good hot trash you can smoke, this is just hokum.

Hillarys campaign is tanking, DNC is wooing Biden for their PlanB, and Hillary's koolaid slurpers are still preoccupied with smearing Sanders, who they think can't possibly win. Yep, it's crazy.

If they switched their minds to Bernie can win if we vote for him, almost instantly they'd see the light.

The only way he loses is if people don't vote for him. They say they agree with his policies so what's the hold up?

Cheers!

They claim to, or even claim to be Bernie supporters, coyly thinking it provides cover for their concern-trolling. But they are corporatists, supporting the status quo of corporate control of govt.

Sure some are trolls, but some have been here for a long, long time. What do you make of that?

I am genuinely puzzled.