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pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:13 PM Sep 2015

Email fun with the Hatch Act.

It applied to both an employee's time and to the use of government equipment, like cell phones.

And to an employee who was on-duty off and on during most of her waking hours (and sometimes during the middle of the night), keeping within the bounds must have seemed like quite a challenge.

That's why Bush didn't bother -- he sent his non-classified emails through the Republican National Committee.
Let that sink in. Not a personal account -- through the RNC.
And no consequences for him at all, except he got some criticism from people like Hillary.

She, when confronted with trying to comply with the same Hatch act, and the same antiquated and clunky .gov system, decided to keep a personal email but not run it through the DNC.

And that's what the Rethugs (and some Sanders supporters) are criticizing her for. Using a personal server, after the previous President used his political campaign's server.

Here's the official Hatch decision-making flow-chart. Again, think of how much work this would take to comply, for an employee who works far more than an 8 hour day, without having a set schedule.

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_ethics/resource_library/deskbook/hatch_act_ppt.pdf


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winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
2. And yet, a lot of govies who work long hours comply with the Hatch Act all the time.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:42 PM
Sep 2015

I guess we need a President who's up to that "challenge".

I remember that Bush channeled his email through the RNC, and how Keith Olbermann ranted about it. Republicans made excuses for Bush, while others considered it a corrupt and shady practice. Not a spectre you want to raise here.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
4. How do you know the rate of compliance? How do you know that if someone
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:45 PM
Sep 2015

went through all their emails looking for mistakes, they wouldn't find some?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
6. I've worked in Federal offices. It's not rocket science.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:57 PM
Sep 2015

It's not even something people really bitch about. The notion that doing work-related email on private accounts/servers would be a "solution" to the Hatch Act is... quaint. This is a loser of an "explanation" and will deserve every bit of ridicule it receives.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
11. Oh, really. Did you have both a state department position and numerous political activities
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 03:14 PM
Sep 2015

to to go through during your 18 hour days?

Did you have a state department position that could require you to get up during the middle of the night? Did you have political emails that sometimes required responses during "standard" work hours? What if your work hours were never standard? How would you sort out your state department and your political activities then?

She did it, but it's ridiculous to think her situation is comparable to low-level employees without political commitments, too. And Obama never asked her to drop all of them. In fact, she used those connections in her state department job.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. Using her connections to do her State Department job wouldn't be considered campaigning.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

The notion that as SOS, HRC was "working" 24/7 and could therefore never have sent personal/political emails is equally bogus. At that level, the notion of "standard work hours" is flexible. But go on pushing this latest "explanation". It's gonna be fun watching it go splat.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
13. That's not what I said. I said her long hours would have entitled her to use some
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 04:32 PM
Sep 2015

daytime hours for political activities.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
3. I'm not complaining that she used a private email server.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:45 PM
Sep 2015

I'm complaining that it was UNSECURE.

1) Communications with her server were not encrypted for the first 3 months.
https://www.venafi.com/blog/post/what-venafi-trustnet-tells-us-about-the-clinton-email-server/

2) They left the default VPN keys installed on her server
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/clinton-s-e-mail-system-built-for-privacy-though-not-security
Using those addresses, McGeorge discovered that the certificate appearing on the site Tuesday appeared to be the factory default for the security appliance, made by Fortinet Inc., running the service.

3) They were using, and continue to use, self-signed SSL certificates
http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042

4) They set up a .com domain, enabling the typosquater who has registered clintonmail.com (no "e" before "mail&quot . Whoever registered that domain is in a perfect position to steal login information or perform spear phishing attacks.

5) Her ISP was repeatedly hacked by China
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/10/who-else-was-hit-by-the-rsa-attackers/

Hat Tip : Jeff47

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
5. .gov wasn't secure. It had a massive hack during that time period,
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:48 PM
Sep 2015

which originated in China.

Your link # 5 provides no evidence that her personal server was hacked.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. You need to understand layered security.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:57 PM
Sep 2015

While dot gov was hacked, the perpetrators didn't get anywhere near our national security secrets.

That's because large organizations, like the federal government, use a variety of products, services, encryption, user and data classification, logging, monitoring and regular audits to keep the bad guys out of our secrets.

Here's an example: A thief may be able to get into your livingroom through an unsecure window, but he'll never - or rarely - get passed the series of obstacles you've put up to guard your safe - like the dual-authentication key pad to the room, the Rottweilers laying in front of the safe and the fingerprint lock on the safe door.

Clinton had NONE of these things and was traveling all over the world in various air space with a Blackberry. An experienced hacker could stand outside of her hotel room and pick up her signal. Once they got that, they could just hop onto the server and have access to all her emails.

So, yes, dot gov was hacked, but the hackers only got into the foyer. We don't know where they visited on the Clinton server.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
9. We don't know that they got anywhere on the Clinton server. There's no evidence they did.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 03:07 PM
Sep 2015

Just a lot of supposition on the part of her political enemies, the R's and the D's.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. I thought the hatch act says no politics from work.
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 03:06 PM
Sep 2015

That's a totally piss poor excuse for moving all the public government emails to a personal server out of government control.

What if, god forbid, there had been an accident and she died, then all the official business would have been sitting behind her personal network out of government control.

The Bush administration did it? That's no defense. That was the most corrupt administration in modern history so I would hardly want to compare myself to that.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
10. It says during work hours. When your work hours are potentially, you have to fit
Mon Sep 28, 2015, 03:08 PM
Sep 2015

the rest of your life in there, too.

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