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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:03 AM Sep 2015

Two questions for Hillary and Bernie about Israel

1. Are Anti-Semitism and Anti-Israelism the same?




2. If they are discontent with policies and actions of the state of Israel, in which ways should people and organisations express this stance economically and politically?

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/free_speech_for_all_on_campus_unless_youre_criticizing_israel_that_is/
Besides being targeted by the Netanyahu government as a “strategic threat” and attacked by leading presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who vowed to take the fight against BDS to college campuses herself, ...

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Two questions for Hillary and Bernie about Israel (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2015 OP
A handy defintion DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #1
This is about politics. Official definitions of words don't count. DetlefK Sep 2015 #2
I will defer to President Obama DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #3
But Israel doesn't work without a double-standard. DetlefK Sep 2015 #4

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
1. A handy defintion
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:06 AM
Sep 2015

“The United Nations emerged from the ashes of the Holocaust,” said UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, speaking at a UN seminar in June 2004. “And a human rights agenda that fails to address anti-Semitism denies its own history.” The Secretary-General emphasized that “the human rights machinery of the United Nations has been mobilized in the battle against anti-Semitism, and this must continue.”

In order to facilitate the work of the UN human rights machinery in fighting anti-Semitism, United Nations Watch submits the Working Definition of Antisemitism of the European Union’s Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC). 1 The Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) was involved in the consultations for preparing this definition.

Following the recent Cordoba Declaration, issued at the OSCE Conference on Anti-Semitism and Other Forms of Intolerance, UN Watch urges all relevant bodies of the UN system—including the Commission on Human Rights, the Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, the Human Rights Committee, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (in particular, the Anti-Discrimination Unit), and the relevant Special Rapporteurs—to implement Secretary-General Annan’s call for action against anti-Semitism. 2 The EUMC Working Definition provided below ought to be one useful tool in this effort.

European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia
Working Definition of Antisemitism

The purpose of this document is to provide a practical guide for identifying incidents, collecting data, and supporting the implementation and enforcement of legislation dealing with antisemitism.

Working definition: Working definition: “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property—such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries—are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.


Notes

1 http://eumc.eu.int/eumc/material/pub/AS/AS-WorkingDefinition-draft.pdf

2 For further information on what the United Nations can do to combat anti-Semitism, see Hillel Neuer, “How the UN Can Help Fight Anti-Semitism,” The National Post, January 26, 2005. (Available at http://unwatch.org/pbworks/NationalPost_antisemitism.html.)

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. This is about politics. Official definitions of words don't count.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

The Netanyahu-government says that anti-israelism is the same as anti-semitism. Always. (Well, an israeli think-tank recently found out that a majority of non-israeli Jews don't share this view.) It would be nice to know which candidates share this stance.






Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

So, claiming this is anti-semitic even though the state of Israel was expressly founded by the British to preserve the race and culture of the Jews?


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
3. I will defer to President Obama
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015
So, claiming this is anti-semitic even though the state of Israel was expressly founded by the British to preserve the race and culture of the Jews?


I will defer to President Obama. Israel was created to allow the Jews to be responsible for their own safety:

"Do you think that Israel has a right to exist as a homeland for the Jewish people, and are you aware of the particular circumstances of Jewish history that might prompt that need and desire? And if your answer is no, if your notion is somehow that that history doesn’t matter, then that’s a problem, in my mind. If, on the other hand, you acknowledge the justness of the Jewish homeland, you acknowledge the active presence of anti-Semitism—that it’s not just something in the past, but it is current—if you acknowledge that there are people and nations that, if convenient, would do the Jewish people harm because of a warped ideology. If you acknowledge those things, then you should be able to align yourself with Israel where its security is at stake, you should be able to align yourself with Israel when it comes to making sure that it is not held to a double standard in international fora, you should align yourself with Israel when it comes to making sure that it is not isolated.”

- Barack Obama



I hope none of our candidates would demur from his assessment .

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. But Israel doesn't work without a double-standard.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 12:20 PM
Sep 2015

1. The Jews control the Palestinians outside of Israel by military force. (Yes, I wrote 'the Jews', because I don't think there are lots of Israelis of palestinian descent in the IDF.) The Jews control the Palestinians inside Israel by creating artificial road-blocks for palestinian development projects.

These two aren't equal. They just aren't. I'm not saying whether these actions are good or bad, but Israel is a (meta-)stable country precisely because a double-standard is employed. Without this double-standard, Israel would turn from its current form into something different.

It makes no sense to rail against double-standards when a double-standard has been the essential stabilizing factor since the founding of Israel.
(Maybe some double-standards are allowed, but not others. Oh, look, another double-standard...)



2. "National security" and the security of the people of a nation are not the same. "National security" is aimed at protecting the state of a nation, not its members. There is no point in blindly assisting the "national security" of Israel if it's not aimed at bettering the lives of its citizens but preserving a political status quo.



3. But what if Israel isolates itself? What if Israel refuses to play by the rules everybody else plays by? What if Israel doesn't follow the standards everybody else follows? (No, military occupation of civilian areas isn't "normal".) If we refuse to accept the redefinition, why would that make us the bad guys?
Are we supposed to give in if Israel threatens to hold its breath because we aren't allowed to say No to Israel?

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