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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:01 AM Oct 2015

Hopefully, when HRC wins the primary, the coziness between "progressives" and the NRA

that Bernie has promoted will come to an end. We'll see.

It's staggering to see the lengths Bernistas will go to to defend their hero. Not only justifying the horrific PLCAA and his vote against the Brady Bill (based on the same "states' rights" excuse that every right-winger in the last half century has used to fight against all progress on social issues). But also the "respect rural people" nonsense, as if semi-automatic handguns and AR-15s are hunting weapons.

Maybe Bernie thinks that the American people are dumb enough to think that we're the only advanced country with rural communities. No wonder AFT and NEA have endorsed Clinton -- education is the enemy of idiocy. Because, you know, Australia, which pretty much solved the mass shooting problem and has a tiny fraction of the gun violence we have in America, obviously Australia doesn't have any rural areas at all. At least not in Bernie's world. American exceptionalism, Bernie style!

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Hopefully, when HRC wins the primary, the coziness between "progressives" and the NRA (Original Post) DanTex Oct 2015 OP
No worries. She's not going to win. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #1
Don't quit your day job.... daleanime Oct 2015 #2
This *IS* his day job! DJ13 Oct 2015 #16
You know it ! nt artislife Oct 2015 #48
But he LIKES Bernie... cui bono Oct 2015 #19
Hillary was in favour of letting cities and states determine local gun laws: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #3
facts facts facts DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #5
Immune or allergic? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6
Both n/t RoccoR5955 Oct 2015 #31
Fascinating editorial Scootaloo Oct 2015 #4
Sniveling, huh? Is that what you call pointing out that 3.4% of her campaign contributions came DanTex Oct 2015 #7
Yup. Sniveling. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #9
Numbers? He don't need no stinking numbers! HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #11
More "respect rural people" nonsense: bvf Oct 2015 #8
Well that's certainly inconvenient... WIProgressive88 Oct 2015 #13
Isn't that the truth. bvf Oct 2015 #17
Haha endless stream of provocative garbage... whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #10
Absolutely, not that I would expect anything else from this poster at this point. WIProgressive88 Oct 2015 #12
It's good for laughs, though. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #14
Why the attack jkbRN Oct 2015 #15
But mostly... cui bono Oct 2015 #20
Must be all they have left. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #24
And they know if they say what REALLY irks them about Sanders, they'll get tombstoned. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #26
K&R DanTex. murielm99 Oct 2015 #18
But Hillary has fond memories of learning to shoot. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #21
Hillary's "respecting rural people" nonsense: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22
You are aware, I hope passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #23
Thanks for bringing it up. If you want common sense gun rights, Live and Learn Oct 2015 #25
In 2008 she fondly reminisced about shooting little bunnies. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #28
Exactly. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #29
BTW, Hillary voted for the Iraq war. Just don't want anyone to forget that! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #27
Reced for the way everyone wrecked the effort. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #30
Oh, you're just making stuff up now. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #32
Another good post. I hate when Democrats use the "states rights" meme! leftofcool Oct 2015 #33
I suppose you disapproved of Massachusettes leading the way to marriage euality Armstead Oct 2015 #36
And here is today's Daily Horseshit. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #34
One needs chest waders to read this post. Scuba Oct 2015 #35
Dan... may I make one suggestion? deadlinetony Oct 2015 #37
Boom. I'm votin' for Bernie Sanders. #feelinthefuckingBern cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #38
Another day, another post from DanTex, another reason to abhor Hillarians Doctor_J Oct 2015 #39
Easy with that abhorring thing. The primary will be over in a few months, and then DanTex Oct 2015 #41
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #42
I doubt i will ever be on your team! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #47
hopefully, when bernie wins the primary, the coziness between hrc and wall street, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #40
Hillary Clinton winning an election won't change the 2nd amendment davidn3600 Oct 2015 #43
Its interesting how your OPs against Bernie and his supporters have degenerated aikoaiko Oct 2015 #44
Bernie's "D-MINUS" rating by the NRA is now "Cozy"?? What a steaming load of bullshit. -nt- 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #45
Dan being dan! Always entertaining! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #46

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Hillary was in favour of letting cities and states determine local gun laws:
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:05 AM
Oct 2015
Let states & cities determine local gun laws

Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?

A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.

Q: But what do you support?

A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. Fascinating editorial
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:07 AM
Oct 2015

Rather hypocritical of you though, given all the sniveling you did about how much of Clinton's money comes from banks, to disavow that she had any connection whatsoever to the banking industry, that everything she got was from "little people" and she had no meaningful corporate campaign contributions...

But apparently sanders is spending his weekends in the sauna, docking with Wayne LaPierre or something.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. Sniveling, huh? Is that what you call pointing out that 3.4% of her campaign contributions came
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:11 AM
Oct 2015

from employees in the financial sector?

Strange choice of words, but I can see why you pick them.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Yup. Sniveling.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015

So. Do tell me about this "cozy relationship" between we dastardly progressives and the NRA. Surely we must make up.. .what, at least a plurality of dues-paying members of the NRA? Show us the numbers, DanTex. You like the numbers, right?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
8. More "respect rural people" nonsense:
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:14 AM
Oct 2015
"You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are."


Guess who.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
15. Why the attack
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 01:56 AM
Oct 2015

When HRC supporters stand up for their candidate on issues of Hillarys horrendous voting record?

You should first learn to take your own advice, before preaching it to others. It looks insanely hypocritical, to say the least.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
24. Must be all they have left.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:05 AM
Oct 2015

i guess the attacks on his wild hair, LGBT support, African American support, wife, socialist policies like healthcare and free education for all didn't work. Neither will his gun rights that are basically the same as Hillary's except his make sense and haven't changed work.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
21. But Hillary has fond memories of learning to shoot.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:00 AM
Oct 2015

Perhaps it is time for both sides to admit that both Hillary and Bernie support gun rights for rural hunters but not hand guns for city dwellers and leave it at that,

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. Hillary's "respecting rural people" nonsense:
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:03 AM
Oct 2015
Hillary Clinton goes bold on gun safety — but she sounded a different note in 2008


But Clinton hasn’t always been so forceful in her fight for gun control. As the Post highlights, Clinton has dramatically shifted her tone on gun control since the 2008 campaign. While Clinton touted her husband’s record record on gun control (former President Bill Clinton signed into the law an assault weapons ban that has since lapsed) she also heralded personal memories of learning to shoot with her father and defend gun ownership, saying, “there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and the effort to reduce crime.

You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” Clinton said while campaigning ahead of the Indiana primary, where white working class Democrats propelled her to a narrow victory over then-Sen. Barack Obama. “You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” she continued, in a dig at Obama’s remark at a fundraiser that disenfranchised Americans often “cling” to cultural symbols like guns and religion.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/10/hillary_clinton_goes_bold_on_gun_safety_but_she_sounded_a_different_note_in_2008/



And more about those assault weapons:

Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban

WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.

The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.

Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”

In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
23. You are aware, I hope
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:04 AM
Oct 2015
A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Australia and that no individual may possess them. Although it is true that Australia has restrictive firearms laws, rifles and shotguns (both of which include semi-automatics), as well as handguns, are all legal within a narrow set of criteria.


Australia has lots of rural areas where guns are used for hunting and protecting livestock, etc.

And our rural areas are often hunting areas. I live in one of them. Vermont has a lot of rural hunting areas.

Not really sure what your point was. As a matter of fact, your OP really doesn't make any sense at all.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
25. Thanks for bringing it up. If you want common sense gun rights,
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:07 AM
Oct 2015

support Bernie. Hillary's keep on changing.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. In 2008 she fondly reminisced about shooting little bunnies.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 03:27 AM
Oct 2015

She must have 'evolved', again. Although the hunting stories might not be any more truthful than her landing in Bosnia under fire story. We do know she approves of war in general, and dropping cluster bombs on children in particular...and she shows no sign of walking back her enthusiasm for war.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
33. Another good post. I hate when Democrats use the "states rights" meme!
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:54 AM
Oct 2015

To me that is just another code phrase for racism.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
36. I suppose you disapproved of Massachusettes leading the way to marriage euality
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:55 AM
Oct 2015

You would have preferred to see the SC overturn Massachusetts's "states rights" to open the door to that? Um, okay.

I suppose you wold also object to the "states rights" of those states that have adopted minimum wages higher than the Federal level too.

"State rights" is a neutral concept. It is neither good or bad. It all depends on how the concept is used.

 

deadlinetony

(48 posts)
37. Dan... may I make one suggestion?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:57 AM
Oct 2015

Get a life. Step away from the computer. Go outside. Smell that fresh air. Take a nice walk. Meet the people. Smile. Enjoy life.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
41. Easy with that abhorring thing. The primary will be over in a few months, and then
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:54 AM
Oct 2015

we'll all be on the same team again.

Response to DanTex (Reply #41)

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
40. hopefully, when bernie wins the primary, the coziness between hrc and wall street,
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:53 AM
Oct 2015

as well as the MIC that hillary has promoted, will come to an end.

she can write books, give quarter mill speeches, and enjoy being a grandma

can't wait.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
43. Hillary Clinton winning an election won't change the 2nd amendment
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:26 AM
Oct 2015

I'm sorry to tell you that if you want effective and realistic gun control, you are going to have to change the second amendment.

There is no way in hell you will pass Aussie-like gun laws in this country with that amendment standing.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
44. Its interesting how your OPs against Bernie and his supporters have degenerated
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:28 AM
Oct 2015

as the primary race goes on.
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