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I like Joe.

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but I would not be surprised.

in very public interview for what I believed to be in large part political purposes. I neither thought especially poorly of him for this maneuver nor doubted his very genuine grief. His son was a politician too and well aware that this job requires manipulation of opinion through public appearances. Biden gained a very large, if temporary, sympathy bump with voters and additional time to decide on a presidential run. It is what it is.

a cynical ploy, as almost all things become with politicians. It is like the guy trying to screw me in a business deal admonishing me for getting angry about it. "It's nothing personal, just business," he chided. I on the other hand believe that ethics are ethics. Their isn't one set for business dealings/politics and another for personal dealings.

reactions of others by using it, Kelvin? I agree that one standard of morals applies to all. But, I hate to see people disappointed in Biden for this and disagree that this would be a breach of ethics.

Leaders MUST convince people to give them power or they don't lead and accomplish nothing. Is almost EVERY calculated action meant to gain leadership then cynical? How about standing up straight and practicing looking "presidential"? Smiling until your jaw feels locked in its rictus? Giving speeches written by others?

In this case, a politician using a literally priceless, intense national sympathy focused by a son's death to enhance options, instead of squandering it. Would worthiness of the goals make a difference?

Oh, well. I don't feel I'm cynical in accepting that Biden had more than one reason for sharing his grief with the entire world, or that he was unethical in so doing. Who doubts the sincerity of his grief?

are that he is firmly in the pocket of banks and is a disaster when it comes to the criminal justice system

I can overlook my cynicism about this story and do not doubt any person's grief. But cannot overlook the rest.

ground can be given up if necessary and what must be held. After he helped put Clarence Thomas on SCOTUS he was overheard saying that he felt he got out of it (Thomas's claim of racism) without much damage to his own reputation. Not exactly.

that helping replace Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas will be looked upon kindly by historians.

but m$m, anything for a story

the truth is so last century.....

This doesn't pass the smell test.

any validity to it.

It's just so unnecessary.

disappointed that a) he went to a known Hillary hater like Dowd and b) he's allegedly using his son's passing as political strategy. The latter is almost unconscionable, but I guess anything goes with politicians.

"...using his son's passing as political strategy. The latter is almost unconscionable, but I guess anything goes with politicians."

Wow x 100

judgment questionable.

The bankruptcy laws, conflict of interest with his MBNA relationship, his treatment of Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings, and his view that we shouldn't go into Pakistan on a single mission to get bin Landen without informing the Pakistan government among other things.

Even this "should I or shouldn't I run" really puts questions on his decision making capabilities in my view

which he helped write:

60 new death penalty crimes.
Three strikes law
$9 billion in new prisons
Eliminated funds for inmate education
$14 billion in "Community Oriented Policing"
"Boot camps" for juveniles

Between this and the Bankruptcy Act, can't vote for him if he does run.

I explain in post #27

because it was the only way to vote for the "Violence Against Women Act", specifically included to force people like Sanders to vote for it, or against women.

Biden wrote or helped write the bill, and bragged about it for years.

still a great guy but...

I know what I like and sure do not appreciate your comment. enough said.

mostly positive. Nothing about this story.

or whatever reporter? He seems to want to run for President, he says his son wanted him to run for President, he is genuinely brokenhearted and conflicted, and yes, calculating his chances. I don't see the issue here. Leave the old guy alone. And I say that as someone not terribly enamored of him.

That isn't what you call it when a father discusses his son's death. Someone must be worried that Biden is actually going to run.

is a true Clinton hater.

...during an interview with Biden called "leaked"?

do not know. I do not know where information is from--or who originated it. --then I guess it is 'leaked".

the source of the story is left out completely. There isn't even an, "according to anonymous people close to the vice president." Simply no mention of where the story came from.

According to multiple sources, it was Biden himself who talked to her, painting a tragic portrait of a dying son, Beau’s face partially paralyzed, sitting his father down and trying to make him promise to run for president because "the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values.”

If Biden contacted her with the specific intent of relaying this story for her to use, then I wouldn't call it an interview.

If he ran into her someplace and they sat down for lunch or a cup of coffee, and he relayed the story during that off the cuff meeting, that would not be an interview.

Or if Biden specifically requested that somebody else relay the story to her, then he's not being interviewed, he's "leaking."

The bottom line being that there are ways he could have relayed the story to her with the intention of her using it, outside of the context of an actual interview.

...about his latest movie, that would be a leak?

But if he called a journalist friend and said, you know don't attribute this to me, but the movie I just finished reeks, then it would be a leak.

Again, there are ways that Biden could have relayed to story to Dowd outside of the context of an interview. Just a private chat between old frenemies, wink wink nod nod.

I find it highly unlikely that Joe or anyone close to him would talk to Dowd. They have a rather contentious history.

Wonder who those "sources" are, or who they work for?

Not interested in having another Pope around..

Politico's main reason for being is to portray democrats in a bad light. This is not the first time they've used anonymous sources to do so.

Won't be the last time either.

If true, it is disgusting to use his son's death as a catapult to bolster his own career.

that wasn't intentional, was it, Bro?

My vote is not in question. The overall reaction is concerning.

It's an ugly story, but someone was bound to write this opinionated conclusion. Better to air it all out now rather than when we're totally invested in one candidate...I think...

Unbelievable.

Try to eliminate sympathy for Joe as a reason to be favorable towards him, and also knock out his strength (authenticity) by showing us all how CYNICAL and INAUTHENTIC he really is, by running to Politico with insider gossip to portray him this way. Until proven otherwise, this is a Clinton-associate move--and lower than whale shit.

He would never have used his sons death for political gain. I bet this article has him swearing up a storm.

How do you know him personally?

Thanks.

Someone is off to a good start.

Honestly sharing details of your sons death does not imply calculation and would not be 'leaking.'

Also all "anonymously sourced," yeah... right.

He has always been an honest guy, I thought.

1.) How do you "leak" your son's deathbed wish anyway?
2.) Are Hillary DU Supporters really gonna try to politicize this?
3.) Is the Hillary campaign going to try to politicize this through their usual channels?

Seriously? Really? What has this part come to? What a mess.

Oh yeah and I love the OP...

"I hope this is not true" but yet I am gonna post it here anyway....because....even though I am not sure it's true and I really, really hope it's not...it makes Joe Biden look bad....because you know...um...er....we really need to get this guy to not run against Hillary....I mean didn't our campaign surrogates say he should be mourning for at least the next 13 months or so?

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it should tell you something about your candidate.

Any?

...an establishment career corporate polician doing something sleazy....

Will wonders never cease?

I'm stunned I tell ya, stunned I say.




(btw, I'm not speaking just about Joe.)

My Momma didn't raise no fools.. and I can see through that like a window..

Just saying... whether he runs or not.. is his buisness.. and does not worry me one iota.. and should not worry anyone else..

article by Maureen Dowd.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/opinion/sunday/maureen-dowd-joe-biden-in-2016-what-would-beau-do.html?_r=1

I don't see anything new here except for the wording and speculation about Biden's motives. Yes, it looks like a political hatchet job, because someone(s) knows Biden is probably getting into the race and could be a formidable opponent.

Maybe he was just being candid?

Nothing new here.

I heard it both on CNN and MSNBC today

Why is it referred to as "a leak" ?

Biden openly talked about his loss and they are trying to make it into something ugly.

not to say he's the source? Maureen Dowd?