2016 Postmortem

DanTex

(20,709 posts) Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:17 PM Oct 2015

As of today, congressional endorsements matter.

Yesterday, when Bernie had none of them, they didn't matter. Today, he has one, and they do matter.

They don't matter very much, though, let's not get carried away. Someday Bernie might have two endorsements, and if and when that happens, endorsements will matter a bit more than they do now. But as of today, endorsements matter, but just a little.

In other news, candidates' positions on TPP no longer matter. Yesterday, they did matter, because Hillary hadn't declared hers yet. But now that she has, and she's against it, that doesn't matter anymore.

You gotta keep track of this stuff, otherwise you will end up caring about something that doesn't matter, or not caring about something that does matter. If you want to stay on the Bernie train, you have to switch all of your opinions about things at exactly the right times. So be vigilant!

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As of today, congressional endorsements matter. (Original Post) DanTex Oct 2015 OP

If issues don't matter, then it is only personalities Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #1

Really all Hillary's opposition want to say now upaloopa Oct 2015 #2

Not really - and I was the first to post the endorsement. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #3

Candidate positions on the TPP certainly mattered in June, a candidate such as Hillary Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #4

Why do they matter? They aren't binding. They don't matter to me anymore Autumn Oct 2015 #5

LMAO! Post of the day! leftofcool Oct 2015 #6

just like the Republicans are with Obama redstateblues Oct 2015 #7

If we were unthinking cattle we might be swayed by endorsements, but we aren't and they don't. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #8

the only "endorsements" that matter restorefreedom Oct 2015 #9

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)

1. If issues don't matter, then it is only personalities

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:28 PM

Oct 2015

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)

2. Really all Hillary's opposition want to say now

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:30 PM

Oct 2015

is Bernie was there first or Hillary is not truthful she's hedging.
On DU that is preaching to the choir. Has little effect. But I'll bet soon the thing they will be doing is trying to keep everyone in the fold. My guess is after Biden says he isn't running some Sanders second choicers will go over to Hillary. Hillary will be serging when they leave Biden out if the polls.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)

3. Not really - and I was the first to post the endorsement.

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:33 PM

Oct 2015

It's just that Raúl Grijalva is a very liberal house member who hasn't gotten rich from Wall Street.

Same mold. Not a Wall Street-owned DINO. That's all.

In fact, didn't Keith Olbermann have to take a leave of absence for donating to Grijalva?

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)

4. Candidate positions on the TPP certainly mattered in June, a candidate such as Hillary

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:34 PM

Oct 2015

so popular with establishment Democrats as to get 150+ endorsements certainly could've persuaded the Congress not to pass fast track authority, or at the very least tried.

Since she didn't it's far more likely that the Congress will pass the TPP which as of now Hillary, cough cough opposes.

They first turned on their own party's president when he joined with Republican congressional leaders to push a measure called "trade promotion authority" in June. That legislation -- key to getting other countries to sign off on a final agreement -- allowed Obama to seal the deal and send it to lawmakers for an up-or-down vote with no amendments.

Clinton dismissed that bill as procedural, and said she'd weigh in on the deal once it became final.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-opposes-tpp/index.html

Fast-track, or trade promotion authority, will allow the White House to send trade deals to Congress for up-or-down votes. The Senate will not be able to filibuster them, and lawmakers will not have the power to amend them.

The expedited process, which lasts until 2018 and can be extended until 2021, greatly increases Obama’s chances of concluding negotiations on the TPP, which is a top goal of the president’s.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/246035-senate-approves-fast-track-sending-trade-bill-to-white-house

Thanks for the thread, DanTex.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

5. Why do they matter? They aren't binding. They don't matter to me anymore

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 09:43 PM

Oct 2015

today than yesterday. I don't have to be vigilant, Bernie says what he means and he means what he says, I trust him and his record. He doesn't pander.