She's educated, why can't she use words to convey a meaning instead of an atmospheric description?

She seems to like their room.

And now she's not so sure...

he is on the health, education and labor committee as well as the budget committee as well,as being a long time senator and a mayor before that. he knows how bad trade deals, including the one pushed by her husband, have been.

a suggestion that taking a principled stand makes one an idiot can only itself be an acknowledgment that the candidate one supports is too weak to take a principled stand of her own.

Into something so that you can't maneuver when circumstances change.

over the iraq war



yes i have no doubt that circumstances will change soon so that she favors her corporate buddies over the people.

that this agreement is unacceptable, and I can not nor will I support it unless it is changed. You then go on to state what changes would be necessary to gain your acceptance.

Hillary is just leaving an opening to "grudgingly accept" the agreement if necessary, that takes no courage or brains.

Everyone has their reasons, their opinions but past practice + secrecy seems to put a negative spin on the whole process. My best guess is that the bigger countries are really putting the screws to the little ones and that corporations are putting the screws to all of us when details of the TPP come out.

It sure seems that way.

So using your logic, Hillary supporters are all.... umm.... (fill in the blank) _______ !

Never take an unconditional stance, regardless of the circumstances.

"I believe all taxes should be repealed, and the government should be abolished."

That's unconditional stance. Do you think it is idiotic?

Taking an unconditional stance "on principle" is idiotic. Makes you feel good but leaves no room for changing situations.

I doubt you believe that. But even if you do, HRC took an unconditional stance in favor of the TPP initially when she called it the "gold standard", and now she is waffling. But still not giving us a clue. She is a master of the rhetoric.

It's incredibly stupid to take an unconditional, irrevocable stand.

I think for now I'll trust her other 45 opinions.

45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

She's right to set a high bar for trade agreements. Trade supports tens of millions of US jobs.

deal with actual trade?

Or, non-union jobs.

Do you really love democracy and our constitution when you say that? if you don't like it then WHY do you support this POS "agreement" which should be voted on as a treaty if our forefathers had anything to do with it.

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... and the accompanying financial disaster that has us back with a wealth divide that is like it was right before the big depression earlier. Sorry if most of us here don't share your opinion on how our spiral downward is "inevitable reality" and something that we should like.

"I'm not in favor of what I have learned about it"? How can one be in favor or not about having learned?

"I wish you guys had kept quiet about it until I cinched the nomination! Now I have to take a stance!"

Don't get much more accurate than that.

From Hillary's House of Waffle!

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Except labor, and environmentalists were not invited to participate in the drafting.


Oh well.


Maybe next time.....


Another 10 years of watching:

Jobs leave
The planet burn, and the ice melt
Record corporate profits

So Hillary. You are going to do all in your power to stop this crap deal?

Yeah, thought so.

. . . because you reminded me of a comment my brother-in-law made during the 2004 election season about Kerry versus Bush: "I'm sorry, but I just don't see much difference between Yale '66 and Yale '68."

You can't really trust anything she says.

Nothing to rattle the Wall Street rapists in that statement was there Hill.....

"I support the left, though I'm leaning, leaning to the right".

... to understand the depth of their favorite candidate's support. They were asked to list the issues or positions of their candidate upon which they strongly agreed. Most Bernie supporters mentioned several specific positions. MOST HILLARY SUPPORTERS COULD NOT CLEARLY DEFINE ANY POSITIONS AT ALL. (This was recently reported on MSNBC.)

I'm not in favor of Hillary's wishy-washy, have-it-both-ways position on TPP.



Just learned about it?

What a load of crap.

Her exact words are really enlightening. It's Clinton-speak.

i just got sick of people praising this non position and attributing credit where none was due.

She has been a supporter, a PROMOTER of this horrible deal and now, for political purposes, she tries to triangulate her position.

So sick of it. And when I think of how I defended the Clintons for so many years. They must have been laughing at us for our naivety.

Bernie's position on this has been consistent.

This is such a blatant attempt to fool the people, I have no words.

'WATCH THEY DO NOT WHAT THEY SAY'

We are watching. They should know that by now.

but it depends on what the meaning of is is.

I have no faith that she will do anything but equivocate on this.

ya never know when that wind is going to shift

The wind will shift the next day, should she win the Democratic nomination. Though if the GOP nominates Trump that could move the wind shift to the next day after the general election, not sure how Trump would impact the general on this issue.

In a way, it's a weakness. because once you realize this, you can understand exactly what they are saying, and what their real plans are...

"... as far as I know."?

except that we have all learned to read it now....

Please post it then.

"As of today" I find that odd sentence construction for someone opposed to the TPP

any agreement that will result in __________________." But her "as of today" only distinguishes from "as of today" tomorrow.

that's my take

Come to?

Gotta keep that gravy train a-rollin'!

being a moderate, not a conservative, what are servers?, take your pick.

On purpose.

What's the saying for Dem candidates, "tack left in the primary and tack right in the general"?

I suspect that as of ANOTHER day in the not-too-distant-future, she might be inclined to support it. Again.

Weasel words piled on weasel words.