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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:32 AM Oct 2015

Quartz: Hillary Clinton doesn’t have a “likability” problem—we do

Quartz: Hillary Clinton doesn’t have a “likability” problem—we do

Perhaps the problem is that we still find female ambition vaguely distasteful. Intellectually, most Americans believe women are capable leaders; certainly, we know it’s what we’re supposed to believe. But emotionally, Americans still find the image of women in power hard to swallow, hence the higher bar for proving competence. And women’s struggle to gain power looks especially unseemly: As The Atlantic pointed out in September, it’s much more culturally acceptable to simply be a #luckygirl on whom fortune smiles sans blood, sweat, or tears.

Perhaps then the onus is not on her, but on the media—and even the public—for whom the line between politics and entertainment has grown increasingly thin. Candidates aren’t treated as politicians so much as celebrity personalities, America’s dowdier versions of Kim and Kanye. Debates have devolved from serious political deliberation to a more civilized form of blood sport, which we watch (and dissect the next day) like Game of Thrones. Facts aren’t important so long as the candidate lied with aplomb.
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Quartz: Hillary Clinton doesn’t have a “likability” problem—we do (Original Post) portlander23 Oct 2015 OP
Oh, bullshit. The gender card again. djean111 Oct 2015 #1
i would support warren too restorefreedom Oct 2015 #10
and the tea party supports Carson and Cain dsc Oct 2015 #14
Well, most liberals aren't sexist or racist. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #20
Politics is show business for ugly people -Paul Begala Fumesucker Oct 2015 #2
There definitely is a double standard.... BooScout Oct 2015 #3
This is what I have been saying for awhile now. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #4
That's 100% not true. Vinca Oct 2015 #5
Sanders supporters, to a person, would have supported an Elizabeth Warren run. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #6
Here you go! Aerows Oct 2015 #16
Thank you. :) DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #17
Her likability problem has nothing to do with gender. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #7
bwahahahaha....so its my fault that her positions suck? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #8
Maybe a mix of gender and age bias. She looks old. That turns some people off, esp. in a woman. randome Oct 2015 #9
And Sanders looks like he's 100 years old WTF are you saying she looks old bigdarryl Oct 2015 #15
I Hope Her Campaign Manager Doen't Try That BS Next Year! NonMetro Oct 2015 #11
There's a bit of truth in there Prism Oct 2015 #12
Nope. TM99 Oct 2015 #13
Bullshit. 99Forever Oct 2015 #18
Elizabeth Warren would have been a GREAT female candidate. Hillary's stance on issues costs her in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #19
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Oh, bullshit. The gender card again.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

I would support and vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat.

Ignoring issues and dragging out the gender card. This is getting pathetic, this recycling of memes.

Facts aren’t important so long as the candidate lied with aplomb.

And that, my friends, is why I will not support Hillary.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
10. i would support warren too
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:01 AM
Oct 2015

once again, a glaring admission that she has no policy positions worth standing on

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
20. Well, most liberals aren't sexist or racist.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:05 PM
Oct 2015

So, it's really not the same thing at all.

I'm a woman. I don't like HRC because of her positions on most issues (I do agree with many of her social stances, but not her economic or foreign policy positions, by and large). Like the poster above, I'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat, but I'm not a fan of Clinton.

So, no, it's not about her gender at all.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
3. There definitely is a double standard....
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:38 AM
Oct 2015

...and it isn't pretty....in fact it's quite ugly. Many people are afraid of powerful and intelligent women. This is something women face on a daily basis.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
4. This is what I have been saying for awhile now.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:39 AM
Oct 2015

Every minute detail of her is attacked relentlessly and negatively. The hate is so palpable there must be more to it than disagreement with her policies.

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
5. That's 100% not true.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:41 AM
Oct 2015

Her likability problem has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with being scripted and living in a bubble. Her handlers have been so afraid she'll say "something" they don't let her say anything. On the rare occasions the real Hillary peeks through she's a very genuine person you can connect with.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
6. Sanders supporters, to a person, would have supported an Elizabeth Warren run.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:42 AM
Oct 2015

Democrats, to a person, would NOT have supported a Sarah Palin run.

Someone please find a microphone and drop it for me.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
8. bwahahahaha....so its my fault that her positions suck?
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:59 AM
Oct 2015

the victim card is not gonna play this time...people are on to this schtick

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. Maybe a mix of gender and age bias. She looks old. That turns some people off, esp. in a woman.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:00 AM
Oct 2015

She has even more going against her in that she is following one of the most dynamic and intellectually vigorous Presidents we have ever had.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

NonMetro

(631 posts)
11. I Hope Her Campaign Manager Doen't Try That BS Next Year!
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:06 AM
Oct 2015

She comes accross a bit Margaret Thatcher like. She needs to lighten up, like she did on that SNL thing. It's a matter of public perception, and that's something the Clinton camp needs to work on!

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
12. There's a bit of truth in there
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:14 AM
Oct 2015

Our politics and culture of celebrity have fused, and more and more, who we choose is more personality-based than policy considerations. Part of my problem with Hillary's campaign is that it really embraces that idea that you're not voting for Clinton's policies. Rather, you're voting for her life story. It's more about her rather than us. Start with that whole "Hillary!" thing, and then read backwards from now to see how many of the justifications for her candidacy seem more about her biography than any particular thing she may or may not believe. She's set up as a weird Lifetime movie character.

Take TPP. Because it was thought she would defend it, a lot of her supporters have pushed back hard against the Left's objection to it for about a year running. Now, we're all about witness a massive bit of whiplash. Pro-TPP, anti. It matters not at all. There is only Hillary!.

Obama has a lot of this happening with him as well. People just like him. Policies? Kind of important. But really, they just like him. I do, too! He seems like a very nice man with a very nice family.

I have no idea about Bernie Sander's or Martin O'Malley's biography. Is O'Malley still married? I think I saw a son in there somewhere. I saw a story about Sander's wife in passing. What are these two like in their private lives? I have absolutely no idea. And I don't want to know. I don't want to invest in their personalities. I just want to know what they'd do as President.

That's a big problem with Hillary. I have zero idea what she'd actually do as President. She will say anything, pick up and drop positions based on what she thinks people want to hear. She's asking us to just vote for her and trust her, and the policies will sort themselves out later.

And that's actually good enough for way too many people. It's the culture we increasingly live in.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
13. Nope.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:51 AM
Oct 2015

The character traits that I dislike in Hillary Clinton are odious to me no matter the gender. Men or women who are duplicitous, deceitful, ambitious to a fault, passive aggressive, and self-entitled all bother me equally.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
19. Elizabeth Warren would have been a GREAT female candidate. Hillary's stance on issues costs her
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015

Supporters. Gender had nothing to do with it.

Her problems:
Fracking
Wall St. THIEVES
Making poor kids work to "earn" State University tuition - did she tell her Wall St. Thieving buddies to "earn" their $12.8 TRILLION BAILOUT? No.
She voted for the IWR knowing full well what the ramifications would be.
She supports wars, wars, wars and more wars.
She supports Big Banks
She Supports GMOs and Monsanto
She's a dirty politician - just the type Bernie will help get rid of
She hired David Brock, of all people, to work her campaign's dirty, behind the scenes hit jobs
The list could go on and on...
Honestly, it would be quicker to list the things not wrong with her.

She's been a great mom.

Nope. Gender has NOTHING to do with my not supporting her.

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