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Politico: Court passes on ordering search for Clinton email backupsThe fact that Clinton used only her personal property in setting up the private email system and not any devices issued by the State Department means the issue is beyond the scope of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Walton said.
I just dont see what my authority under FOIA would be, he said during a hearing in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.
It seems to me, having not used State Department devices ... it would be difficult ... for me to conclude... that the information contained on her private server ... is information that the State Department possessed.
Right wing groups pursuing Benghazi fantasies is a sham. A high ranking government official using private communications to avoid FOIA requests is a legitimate scandal.
Related:
Clinton: Did not use personal e-mail server to evade FOIA
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)It also lends credence to thoughts about why she set up a private server to begin with. No she does not need to meet FOIA standards, so the question that will be pounded by the GOP is this. What is she actually hiding?
This continues to be a big deal for the front-runner candidate hoping to win a GE.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)In order for a behavior to be an obstruction of justice, I think that the behavior has to have occurred after some ostensibly illegal activity. I don't know if it's possible for something to be an obstruction before-the-fact.
Maybe handling data specifically to make it inaccessible to FOIA requests is illegal, but if it is, I don't think the charge would be obstruction of justice. An OOJ charge would also probably require some proof that doing something illegal was the motive for the behavior, and motive can be even tricker to prove. I'm not saying she's home free on this (legally), or that she's in trouble. I don't know. I just don't think OOJ is likely to be the issue.
But regardless of the legality, I agree with the OP, this isn't Benghazi. Those accusations are a complete farce. This, whether technically legal or not, is not fictional, and simply doesn't look good for her.
Her best strategy here might be to say: "Of course my use of the server was not meant to get around FOIA requests. I didn't realize that having my own server changed anything from a FOIA perspective. So even though the judge has ruled that he can't enforce FOIA access on this data, I am granting it anyway, and making the data available to all FOIA requests."
TM99
(8,352 posts)are correct in that they were asked to change the length of time that back-ups were kept, then yes, there are serious legal problems.
I agree. I could give two shits about Benghazi. This is entirely different.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)If, *after* inquiries were made, actions were taken to make documents unavailable (i.e. stop maintaining older backups), *that* could be obstruction of justice. Even if that did happen, though, I seriously doubt you'll see HRC's fingerprints on that request. So even then, I doubt it will be a legal problem for her, it will be some underling's head who will roll, but yeah, a political problem regardless.
TM99
(8,352 posts)But at this point, damage is done. I can't think of a single day in the last two months where there hasn't been a 'new' revelation about the Clinton server scandal.
That will undoubtedly impact her if she were to unfortunately get the Dem nod.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)she and her IT people certainly violated federal digital chain of custody laws.
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xynthee
(477 posts)Can you believe that shit??
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This poster is accusing of criminal conduct on the part of HRC (obstruction of justice is a felony) while completely oblivious to the fact that a FEDERAL JUDGE ruled that she didn't have to. How is it obstruction of justice? Or we can fling any accusation against her willy nilly knowing the jurors aren't going to hide it because who cares if Clinton is attacked? Please hide this post. It is shameful to see such accusations from someone who lacks legal knowledge.
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portlander23
(2,078 posts)People can complain about posts. It's fine. To clarify, obstruction of justice or criminal conduct is not something I'm alleging. I am saying what she did here was wrong. Given that there is an actual right wing witch hunt conflated with this, it can be difficult to separate legitimately bad behavior from the fake controversy brewing around it.
I think that the test here is, if you believe in open governance, substitute Mrs. Clinton's name with any other high ranking administration official from a Republican administration in the article above and see if your position on whether or not this is a scandal changes.
MoveIt
(399 posts)If you think something should be hidden you should have to state why.
frylock
(34,825 posts)EVERY thread.