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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:36 AM Oct 2015

Martin Matishak: Clinton’s Big Switch from ‘Moderate and Center’ to Liberal Activist

Martin Matishak: Clinton’s Big Switch from ‘Moderate and Center’ to Liberal Activist

“I still believe in the goal of a strong and fair trade agreement in the Pacific as part of a broader strategy both at home and abroad, just as I did when I was Secretary of State,” Clinton said in a statement. “I appreciate the hard work that President Obama and his team put into this process and recognize the strides they made. But the bar here is very high and, based on what I have seen, I don't believe this agreement has met it.”

Her reversal sparked immediate, predictable condemnation from Democrats and Republicans alike, especially since Clinton helped negotiate the deal while she was still the nation’s top diplomat and was once aligned with the moderates in her party.

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty." This stance, along with a litany of other pronouncements, signals a new allegiance with the far left flank of the Democratic Party, including Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

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JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
1. Hillary says the right thing, angers ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015

... some in the left.

If she said the wrong thing, the same folks would still be angry.

Might be a pattern there.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. She admits to being what people have said she is all along. She is not on the Left on
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

most issues. That doesn't make me angry, it makes me happy that she has admitted it. Because her supporters were angry when anyone made that observation, which she now herself confirms.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. So boring, seriously. She is a politician who is wrong on almost everything. That doesn't make
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

her anything but wrong for the job she is asking for.

Now go ahead and post another 'snarky' remark to show us why you support your candidate, to convince we are wrong not to support her.

I guess it's hard to do thus the resort to old, jaded internet generated snark.

I otoh, can, do and will show why I support MY candidate and have no need to resort to lame drive by meaningless comments.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
2. My question is that if the h supporters were about the issues
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:44 AM
Oct 2015

why are they not upset that she is straying from her centrist stand on some of them?


Cult of personality, anyone?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
3. or is that they think that she is successfully bamboozling progressives
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

and they are chuckling contentedly.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
5. The sad thing is, a lot of voters will actually be fooled.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:18 AM
Oct 2015

Folks who don't pay attention and won't remember the flip flop this far out when they get to the polls.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Ah, if you actually had followed trade policy politics for any amount of time as I have you'd
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

know better than that. Bernie has the best record on trade, Hillary's got a record which leans slightly more toward free trade than Bernie but not by any great leaps. Among the candidates we have now, three were in Congress to vote on CAFTA, Hillary and Bernie were no votes, Chafee a yes vote.

Hillary has standards on trade policy, they are not as high as Bernie's but they are well considered and many people who are not into the whole 'catch phrase and release' sort of politics will see her lack of support as a very strong sign that the bill is a piece of shit, because if it was just flawed she might go along with it. But if she says no, it sucks eggs deluxe.

So a person who has voted against trade agreements for specific reasons is again opposed to a trade agreement for specific reasons. I don't want her to be the nominee, but I'm far too ethical to call that flip flopping. She voted against the big one when she was in the Senate, as did Bernie, while 8 Democrats and Lincoln Chafee all voted for it. She's obviously not the most free trade loving Democrat in our Senate now, nor then nor is she the most free trade loving candidate we have running.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
8. I think some of us see it on a different level -- These "free trade bills" just suck
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

That statement is NOT saying that trade is bad, and that actual trade agreements between nations are bad.

But these huge package deals that go far beyond the specifics of actual trade, and which are negotiated in secret and presented in a "vote fast and take it or leave it" manner -- those suck. Especially when they are such "one size fits all" straitjackets among many different nations.

They limit the ability of nation to pass and enforce civil laws that "violate the terms of trade" (i.e. the Corporate Imperitive). They grease the wheels for outsourcing, sweatshops and other undermining of workers here and abroad.

They impose a "neo-liberal (conservative) agenda on all nations.

Unless the TPP somehow is a complete 180-degree change of course from all of its predecessors, it's another brick in the wall of MFN, WTO,NAFTA etc. agreements that have undermined the American economy (and distorted the need for actual sustainable forms of economic development in other nations) and imposed a Multinational Corporate Agenda in the world.





 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
4. And yet she was ranked the 11th most liberal senator
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:58 AM
Oct 2015

It's almost like she's not as conservative as some people reflexively claim.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. You mean the candidate herself?
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:19 AM
Oct 2015
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."
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