2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMartin Matishak: Clinton’s Big Switch from ‘Moderate and Center’ to Liberal Activist
Martin Matishak: Clintons Big Switch from Moderate and Center to Liberal ActivistHer reversal sparked immediate, predictable condemnation from Democrats and Republicans alike, especially since Clinton helped negotiate the deal while she was still the nations top diplomat and was once aligned with the moderates in her party.
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty." This stance, along with a litany of other pronouncements, signals a new allegiance with the far left flank of the Democratic Party, including Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... some in the left.
If she said the wrong thing, the same folks would still be angry.
Might be a pattern there.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)most issues. That doesn't make me angry, it makes me happy that she has admitted it. Because her supporters were angry when anyone made that observation, which she now herself confirms.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)her anything but wrong for the job she is asking for.
Now go ahead and post another 'snarky' remark to show us why you support your candidate, to convince we are wrong not to support her.
I guess it's hard to do thus the resort to old, jaded internet generated snark.
I otoh, can, do and will show why I support MY candidate and have no need to resort to lame drive by meaningless comments.
artislife
(9,497 posts)why are they not upset that she is straying from her centrist stand on some of them?
Cult of personality, anyone?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and they are chuckling contentedly.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Folks who don't pay attention and won't remember the flip flop this far out when they get to the polls.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)know better than that. Bernie has the best record on trade, Hillary's got a record which leans slightly more toward free trade than Bernie but not by any great leaps. Among the candidates we have now, three were in Congress to vote on CAFTA, Hillary and Bernie were no votes, Chafee a yes vote.
Hillary has standards on trade policy, they are not as high as Bernie's but they are well considered and many people who are not into the whole 'catch phrase and release' sort of politics will see her lack of support as a very strong sign that the bill is a piece of shit, because if it was just flawed she might go along with it. But if she says no, it sucks eggs deluxe.
So a person who has voted against trade agreements for specific reasons is again opposed to a trade agreement for specific reasons. I don't want her to be the nominee, but I'm far too ethical to call that flip flopping. She voted against the big one when she was in the Senate, as did Bernie, while 8 Democrats and Lincoln Chafee all voted for it. She's obviously not the most free trade loving Democrat in our Senate now, nor then nor is she the most free trade loving candidate we have running.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)That statement is NOT saying that trade is bad, and that actual trade agreements between nations are bad.
But these huge package deals that go far beyond the specifics of actual trade, and which are negotiated in secret and presented in a "vote fast and take it or leave it" manner -- those suck. Especially when they are such "one size fits all" straitjackets among many different nations.
They limit the ability of nation to pass and enforce civil laws that "violate the terms of trade" (i.e. the Corporate Imperitive). They grease the wheels for outsourcing, sweatshops and other undermining of workers here and abroad.
They impose a "neo-liberal (conservative) agenda on all nations.
Unless the TPP somehow is a complete 180-degree change of course from all of its predecessors, it's another brick in the wall of MFN, WTO,NAFTA etc. agreements that have undermined the American economy (and distorted the need for actual sustainable forms of economic development in other nations) and imposed a Multinational Corporate Agenda in the world.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's almost like she's not as conservative as some people reflexively claim.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)They really do think we are stupid.