of those happy and excited PoC surrounding him for the photo ops!

He has a race issue my ass!

Really I do. Implement his policies the first year and then play the game the rest of the time. I really think you'd see an improved United States.

It is usually a deflection from facing an uncomfortable truth. I wonder what that might be.

then more 'compromises' and the triangulation of neoliberalism.

But for clarity, I don't believe Sanders was pandering to Republicans in the least. I think he was saying some Republicans would be coming to him because his platform would help them, and that they'd recognize that. Regarding Hillary, yeah, straight-up pandering.

are struggling or who want a better life for themselves and their children. Democrats aren't the only people who see the state this country is in.

So it's useless 'reaching out' to them or negotiating with them. You will get burned every time..

To them it's just a job and a popularity contest.

I am so sick of the triangulation of the neoliberals!

electing a principled leader versus a lying & pandering follower?

Nothing. Zero. They did not compromise with him at all. Obama did all the compromising. They will never compromise, ever. You will get burned every time making deals with them. All he did was hand them stuff they have wanted for decades. What did we get in return? A few temporary Band-aids.

His defenders claim this one sided giveaway was 'pragmatic'. I believe it was just naive.

such as cutting corporate taxes even more and adopting a "chained CPI," which would have slashed Social Security benefits.

For once, I was glad congressional Republicans were so intransigent.

rather than electing another neoliberal who will 'compromise' with the GOP and fuck us all.

HRC is a tough, let's get er done candidate. I remember when her good friends in the Republicon Party asked for her help and I'll be damned if she didn't help them get something done. Something that we may never get undone.

We need change or we, the 99% will die.

care to explain?

graduates are facing large debts and no jobs. We are incarcerating millions of AA's or killing them in the streets. And yet that's ok with some. As things get worse some are terrified to fight for their freedoms and liberties.

We are in a war, a class war, and HRC is not on our side. She may have some sympathy for us but is not willing to make the big changes needed. It is immoral to support a system that is killing so many of the 99%.

... America first because a bunch of people want them to.

with a midway lukewarm, Hillary victory, given the big if that she can pull that off.

To believe that a Republican Congress would work with a President Hillary Clinton after the past at least two decades of enmity between them, one would have to believe in Skittle pooping Unicorns.

... and screw congress !!

Bernie is not but will soon follow

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at least pretending to.

... want more of the last 7 years and better.

The right has hated the last 7 years

...astounding; but perhaps expected.

...I reject the notion of a dictator in our democratic system of governance and that means I hate Bernie?

I have to admit, I hate the type of politics you're practicing here (presumably) on his behalf. I'm guessing he would, as well.

some of them are just brown.

And not women, because we all know he has a problem with everyone that isn't white, wealthy and male.

Because some DUers said so.

We sure will need a very broad coalition if we really want to topple the 1%.

What Bernie is trying to do, with a lot of our help of course, is a revolution! Our government is controlled by the super rich and the corporations through campaign and Super Pac donations (hell, they even got Kevin McCarthy elected and the man cannot even speak the English language, or ANY language for that matter). They control much of the judiciary and own the mass media.

By fighting for Publicly Funded Elections, if successful, we can begin to take back control over our government. That is the definition of revolution, taking the power away from those who run the government. (NSA, I am talking about purely legal means of doing this)!

We need to then bust up the media and banking oligopolies. It's even hard to imagine having Democracy again given the complete jokes we have in Washington currently.

The best part is that he doesn't have to pander to anybody in order to get that support. People across party lines just like his message, which is undeniably a progressive one. It really goes to show what lengths the GOP has gone to in order to get people to vote for them.

Bernie is great at speaking outside the propaganda bubble, and will open more and more eyes to true progressive values.

His total avoidance of conventional political vocabulary resonates with a LOT of people.

It's funny what happens when an honest man speaks up.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

and most people out there, the non pols, just want a shot at a decent life.

bernie speaks to that.

Bernie could skim off a significant number of nominally Republican voters. HRH will score a big fat zero in that respect.

What ever you may think of Hillary, I know what my friends from the other side think of her.
She will be a rallying cry for the rights base. They will get out to vote and if we loose the Senate
this nation is double fucked.

the kind of Democratic Socialism that Bernie recommends.

Screwed just like the rest of us.

People fail to understand sometimes that sometimes we elect a president that represents a great transition in how people look at politics. FDR was certainly a leader that represented this in a good way just as Ronald Reagan sort of represented the opposite end of this.

The fact that republicans are hearing some of his message and starting to think about economic class and disparity of wealth says a lot more about where Americans are at this time than any candidate. But when you look at the available candidates Bernie Sanders represents applying this energy in a useful direction. Hillary is more about placating it while accomplishing little. The republicans vary between deferring the energy off or replacing it with racism.

If Bernie Sanders' campaign and 'Social Revolution' are crushed by Hillary and the DLC/DNC and DWS, a number of things will happen, beginning with:

1) As someone posted on another thread, the Democratic establishment will put in place even more draconian rules on debates and delegate selection to assure that another insurgent doesn't even get close to the nomination.
2) The young people that Bernie has drawn back into the political process will again be disillusioned and angry. The worst case on this is, if Bernie goes to the convention with a strong lead in delegates and popular vote and Hillary turns it around with superdelegates. If this happens, young people will know what's happening through social media.

I'm supporting Bernie to the end, even though I recognize that this will be an uphill battle in the primaries and the general election. I recognize that this is an opportunity to set the nation on a different course that may not come again in decades, certainly not in my lifetime.

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." Bernie Sanders

“I think Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we’ve had in a while.” — Alan Greenspan

Is he running for President?

with his fanatical, Republican ideas.

It is hard to imagine that Hillary could criticize any other candidate for attracting Republican votes since Bill appointed to that very sensitive position in terms of our economic policy a libertarian named Greenspan.

That is shockingly hypocritical.

A true Democrat would never have appointed Greenspan to the Fed. That appointment was an example of pandering and nothing more, pandering to Republicans.

Bernie does not pander to Republicans. Quite to the contrary.

"Democratic president Bill Clinton reappointed Greenspan, and consulted him on economic matters. Greenspan lent support to Clinton's 1993 deficit reduction program."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan

....the President is.

Jimmy Carter appointed Democrat Paul Volker in 1979. Reagan reappointed him in 1983.

Democrat William McChesney Martin served under five Presidents. He was appointed by Truman and continued in the office under Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon.

But --- Clinton liked the Greenspan policies that helped lead to a boom during the Clinton presidency. Of course, like a long binge, the price was a long, long economic recession.

As Bernie Sanders points out, unemployment when you count the underemployed (people with college degrees working at McDonalds or on the floor at Walmarts) and people working part-time when they want full-time work plus all the people who have given up looking for work, our unemployment numbers are much higher than they look: 30-50 percent depending on ethnicity and race for young people.

Greenspan himself took some of the responsibility for our economic problems.

If Hillary is going to claim 8 years in the White House as co-president as part of her experience, then whatever applies to him, applies to her. She was the best Republican President's First Lady, or co-president, or however she styles herself.

http://www.rodneyohebsion.com/hillary-rodham-clinton.htm

Yes, I saw this on Kos. But the Kos blogger gives no link for attribution. Strangely enough, if you set the google machine to give you results from BEFORE 2015, it comes up empty. It could be true--he may have said this in 1990. But Sanders bashers, such as the blogger in question, have lied nonstop about him, and their word is worth nothing. So if you'd kindly provide me some source material, I'd appreciate it.

Not sure if the one Bill mentioned is there, but pretty much everything else is.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

I'm not going full conspiracy theory, but it would be nice to see something from before 2015, and not in Sanders hit pieces. I can find lots of duplicates from the quote, but they're all from this year, and all of them come from anti-Sanders op-eds/articles/blogs. My guess is that someone transcribed it from an old videotape.

But to make sure there isn't an elephant left in the room, yes, he may well have said this 25 years ago. Evolution? Maybe. And maybe part of the evolution was him, and part of it was on the part of Democratic voters, who are moving further to the left. This is all speculation, of course.

Are they bored with their new site already? As of this moment, a whopping 7 are online! And their #BLM forum is up to 17 topics. Well, that's somewhat of an improvement...

so your "facts" don't phase me in the least.

...as a very important trend.

Don't want to court us? That's OK, we'll keep courting YOU. See how that works out for your party line...

Is what I want to know. I mean presuming one has been paying even cursory attention to the man.

K&R your Post!1!

Combined with a consistent message, we definitely know what we are choosing.

Bernie is about common sense solutions to problems, not politicians BS! He is about policy, not personal attacks. He is fringe only in the sense that he is virtually the only one in
D.C. doing his job like it is supposed to be done!

Go Bernie!

for linking to Daily Kos about BLM.

is some of his position line up with republicans who identify as libertarian.

I think they don't realize how much she agrees with them on War and Economics and Wall St etc. However the Corps support her and up to now in our elections, that was all that mattered.

Times have changed with so many people still suffering as a result of the corruption on Wall St with no one held accountable because they own most of Congress.

OWS was the first sign that people are no longer fooled by the political theater featuring the red and blue teams. It is way beyond that now as many people will never recover from what they did to this country.

he was on the Dem Party's list of candidates and on the Dem Party's Debate schedule. So what is your point?

He's using the Democratic Party to give his 3rd party run a legitimacy it wouldn't have had if he had not. He can never get the nomination and even if he did somehow he could never win without being a Democrat. Even if by some freakish chance Bernie Sanders was able to get himself elected POTUS how could he be effective? He isn't even a Democrat.

The ironic thing is, Bernie the former Independent is the only one between himself, Hillary and Biden identified by the people as a Democrat in their top five descriptive words.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/10/01/suffolk-poll-clinton-sanders-biden/73132954/

long about this in order to try to justify NOT running candidates who support these issues.

Bernie is the voice of the people. And they are hearing him now and that's all he needed in order to win this election.

Makes you wonder.

Bernie better watch his back.

As for Bernie watching his back, he has never faltered in following his North Star, his stance on the issues are crystal clear, there is no room for ambiguity or misunderstanding on where he's coming from.

This has been a hallmark trait of Bernie's for decades, he walked into the Lion's Den at Liberty University and stayed true to his core beliefs while also putting out a most persuasive argument to the people that most needed to hear it, that the American People have a common foe which poses a far greater threat to our democratic republic than our cultural or partisan differences.

I think President Obama has caused them to go off the deep end.

As President Obama isn't running for reelection, that card won't play anymore.

While Bernie's largest challenge has been name recognition and having his issue based message grow for the American People.

Hillary's biggest challenge will be in the general election, should she make it that far, in overcoming Republican enmity and Democratic/Independent ambivalence.

Bernie, if he somehow miraculously wins the nomination, would likely be caught flatfooted. He's not in Vermont anymore.

Bernie has won fourteen elections as Mayor, Congressman and Senator, he's the longest serving Independent representative in U.S. history, Hillary has won one election in a blue state while having the advantage of major name recognition.

I don't believe Bernie is or will have any problem in recognizing that he's not in Vermont anymore, he always thought big even when he was only there.

NOT sitting on a cushion.--[RIP Heath Ledger]

Thanks for posting this, Uncle Joe!

Good source for primary rules follows:

http://www.fairvote.org/research-and-analysis/presidential-elections/congressional-and-presidential-primaries-open-closed-semi-closed-and-top-two/

Oh, and K&R...

...too many republicans are ignorant bigots.

Just what is a 'republican' anyways? Today's republican is a defense against progress; racial, economic, international. Xenophobic, racist, sexist, homophobic, warmongering...

This sounds like fantasy and I wonder if anyone here could actually agree with republicans who supposedly agree with Sanders. If they don't completely renounce their republicanism, they can go to hell.

Bernie Sanders has made his positions on the issues and threats affecting the American People crystal clear, any Republican voting for Sanders will subjugate their beliefs for the greater good.

Bernie will stand the best chance of weakening the Republican Party by enlightening all the people and should he win, his mandate and coat tails will be long and strong.

On the other hand Hillary has been at best ambiguous and at worst disingenuous, should she win the primary, and even triumph in the general election the balance of power in the Congress will remain roughly the same.

The same hate mongers and racists in Congress will be in power and not much of anything will change.

A Hillary win will be based more on personality and a Bernie win a long needed and much overdue victory for the most critical issues affecting the American People.

I'm convinced the people are ready for substance.

Even if they vote in a Dem?

What kind of Republican do you think Bernie will attract?

A Social Conservative? Folks that want to force prayer in public schools, outlaw abortion and make being LGBT illegal and probably a capital punishment offense? Definitely not.

An economic Conservative? Attracted to a Socialist? Not happening.

A foreign policy conservative? The folks who want to beef up the military, react to most crises with force and all of that? You think they vote for Bernie?

I wonder if some of you Sanders supporters stop to think for even a short amount of time about some of the stuff you post. It doesn't pass even the most basic smell test.