Yep. Great interview. 100% accurate and he isn't the least bit unkind to Sanders.


p.s. another good one: "The opposite of pragmatism isn't idealism, it's wishful thinking."

Well several states have closed primaries or semi closed primaries... So Republicans are not voting in them.

All polling data shows that Bernie reliably beats all Republican front runners. Same as Hillary.

This is a scare tactic some asshat for a pro Clinton super PAC thinks will discourage Bernie supporters from voting. It's a tangent from the "scary socialist" meme.

On the issues Bernie is the right person for the job. He will win. And we will be better for it.

I'll grant that it's hard to prove such claims one way or the other, which is probably why most of us don't call it out when it shows up here, as it frequently does, but here are two recent examples of Segretti-style ratf#cking or swiftoating whereby perceptive DUers uncovered smoking guns:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251663212

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=658855

You have argued against nothing I've said. You have stated no facts. Given no credible opinions. You've said nothing.

Is running for republican votes. So that says today's views will evolve back.

I will stick with Bernie, insulting us supporters works well for them.

...is a Clinton surrogate. I wouldn't expect him to do anything but bash on Sanders.
If republican support for Sanders was merely because he was more beatable, then you'd expect across the board republican support. That is not what's happening. Sanders republican support comes from working class republicans who've figured out the system is rigged against them, and see Sanders as being authentic.... pretty much the same as Sanders Democratic support. Its not the GOP establishment that's supporting Sanders, they're every bit as scared of him as the Third Way corporatists. It's a populist message that resonates across party lines, and that frightens the 1% (who sign Barneys checks, BTW).

That's what he's called now?
What would be his cute nickname if he endorsed Sanders?

How is Sanders style "economic justice" working out for the over ten million people he relentlessly fought against a path to citizenship for? How do they feel about Sanders style "economic justice?"


They could care less about leaders like Frank just because he has made some unsavory deals with respect to economics/corporations and politics. It is the same way they justify Sanders complete opposition to giving over ten million people a path to citizenship in '07. Pure economic reasons is why he fought tooth and nail against their path to citizenship. They saw how bad that part of Sanders and their own beliefs really looked early on in the campaign cycle and now avoid the distinction at all costs. Frank, bad on economics, therefore should be derided. Doesn't matter he is a hero to many of us. Undocumented individuals better hope there isn't a visa amendment tied to their path to citizenship, Sanders will give the undocumented individuals the bird while working with the most vile of republicans.

Yes, when they see Frank they simply see "Bankster Barney."

I missed that memo...

than mine is all.

Dodd-Frank is enough. Not one word about Glass-Steagall.

Or efforts to bring back Glass-Seagull.

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The JRR dinner is a great event and Franks was great

and should be discarded. He is a banker, working for the 1%.

He didn't mention ONE issue why we should support h.

No, he said she would be more able to convert reasonable republicans in the GE.

Isn't Bernie already doing that NOW?

Good luck h supporters, your reasons for h is seriously the "because".

and didn't give them solid H positions because H doesn't have any.

Current H positions are a carbon copy of Bernie's stances with platitudes and no solid policy positions.

saying this stuff as a Clinton surrogate for at least 6 months. It is what it is.

SO true.

Barney Frank wishes people "weren't so phobic about socialism." That's one thing I hope Bernie's campaign helps us with by opening it to discussion. Every advanced nation in the world currently utilizes some combination of capitalism and socialism -- each where it works best. Pragmatic mixtures based on function, not dysfunction based on biased ignorance and silliness.

Go away, Barney. You sold out.

Never really gave a shit about you anyway.

of his aggressive sell out of trans gender Americans during the ENDA debates. Frank was eager to pass a non inclusive ENDA which would have continued to enshrine discrimination against trans Americans. The LGBT community as a whole was not willing to make that compromise, to throw part of our own community aside for the sake of our own advancement. No, we stand together and without Mr Frank who lacks principle and conviction and is far too swift to hand over compromises which harm others.
Here is his bullshit, and an oped from 2014 when he was still holding to his exclusive positioin. Bush was going to veto any bill that got to him anyway, bear that in mind. Here's your guy:
Guest post on ENDA from Congressman Barney Frank

http://www.bilerico.com/2007/09/guest_post_on_enda_from_congressman_fran.php

Former congressman Barney Frank is sticking by the decision to exclude transgender workers from protection under ENDA in 2007. Here's why that's still problematic.
http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/10/01/op-ed-what-barney-frank-still-gets-wrong-enda

on him because I do not like his positions and not because of any issues other than the economic ones. Now at least I am not going to lose my LGBT friends for that.

and we don't want it without them. T is for truth.

sad and pathetic. Especially for people who have already lost respect for him.

It is not that I "don't like" his message, it is that I really don't care.
Really, who is looking to Barney frank as a guide to supporting a candidate? No one that I know.

hold Frank's opinions in any sort of regard? He's right on some things, wrong on others. And he's a Wall Street/Hillary shill.

Try harder.

Yeah. I put a TON of stock in what someone like Barney Frank says. Not.

I used to like him when I saw him on C-SPAN railing against the Reagan administration back in the '80s, but now he's just another 4-legged critter in the farmhouse.

but we won't go into it.

He is exactly correct. Nothing against Sanders. Truth.

Feel the Barn! Go Hillary!

Bernie's willingness to utter the S-Word in public is a positive in my book, not a negative.

I wonder if the folks who are so afraid of the S-Word today are the same folks who were afraid of the L-Word in the past.

everybody has an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one or is one. He's not even in office and does nothing of importance so he and his message is irrelevant to me.

He's definitely a Hillary Clinton partisan. Which is fine. And I don't care one way or another, because it won't effect me and my vote.

Instead, it's just the same old same old defense of centrism.

...they think she can win. What a crock. Grow a pair, and support the candidate that upholds your values.

...as it is him being on BoD of a Wall St bank, and his sister working for Hillary.

I'm not upset. Just a little disappointed.

Sanders will be far better than Hillary in getting moderate, independent and some Republican votes.

All Hillary can do is play Republican Lite in hope of getting a few from the edge, while the GOP drowns her out with shouts of Benghazi. Sure you know and I know that Benghazi is total bullshit, but a lot of people don't know that. But she's not selling Democratic values, she's just saying "We suck less than those mean Republicans." And that does not win elections.

But Bernie doesn't play Republican Lite, because when you play that game, the people vote for full flavor. Instead, he does what he did at Liberty University, which is to espouse and sell real Democratic and progressive values and vision in a way that evangelicals and Deep Southerners can understand. That's why he'll win.

a mouth piece for Wall St and the corporate mafia. He introduced a soft ball banking bill along with Chris Dodd that was nothing more than "keep your hands off the banks" and allow them them to screw the consumer.
Barney Frank has on many occasions voiced his opinion against Elizabeth Warren when she has criticized the banking industry.

Frank has always been an ant-liberal spokesman and he said that Clinton would draw Republican votes.
That is probably true if those Republicans are employed in the banking business.

Bill Clinton said he would be working behind the scenes for Hillary and it might just be he is lining all these Hillary surrogates up to speak up because she is losing ground

So with Barney Frank speaking guess it is one Republican lite to another.
Why has Barney been an outspoken critic of the progressives?

Wall Street may appear an unlikely benefactor of Mr. Frank, who led the charge to crack down on financial industry risk-taking after the 2008 crisis. He co-authored the Dodd-Frank law, which overhauled the Wall Street regulatory landscape.
Yet Wall Street executives respected Mr. Frank’s command of arcane areas of finance, and they were eager financiers of his campaigns.
On edit:
In June, the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, one of Wall Street’s most vocal advocates against the Dodd-Frank law, hosted a fund-raiser for Mr. Frank. JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley all dispatched officials to the event.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/what-happens-to-wall-streets-donations-to-barney-frank/?_r=0

Frank went to the Bank

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We're not going to support these corporate candidates anymore. I really never expected them to go quietly.

Barney Franks, who's openly gay and has been for quite awhile, supports Hillary, a candidate who supported the sanctity of marriage during Franks tenure? And they don't understand why America hates Washington and politicians lol

...just because someone is gay, that doesn't mean that gay marriage needs to be the most important issue to them.

maybe not the most important issue but it certainly does weigh a lot. It's just rather odd.

And if Hillary is courting republicans, why should I vote for her?

Not like?

I think it's Hillaryous!

barney!

Which came first? Who is the sensible woodchuck?

I never knew that woodchuck had a name.

their shiny object of the moment.

The ol', 'Not electable' rant. By doing such, he concedes Sanders is the better candidate for the job.

I support the people's opinion of Wall Street.

... of the primary voters don't like this kinda

Frank


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There is always some crossover voting. But I don't buy the assumption that Hillary has more appeal to Republicans than Bernie has.

First of all, the Republican machine has been stoking Hillary hate for 20+ years. There are a lot of Republicans who simply will never vote for her, not because she's a Dem, but specifically because she's Hillary Clinton.

Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, assuming that the Republicans ultimately put up a "traditional" candidate like Bush or Rubio, there is a large group of anti-establishment Trump/Carson/Fiorina Republicans who may be up for grabs... but they're not going to be Hillary voters, that's another establishment candidate.

And there are those in the Libertarian wing who might consider Sanders based on his positions on things like NAFTA/TPP, Patriot Act, IWR. Again, especially depending on who the Republican candidate is, some may feel that half-a-Paul is better than none.

And even a lot of Republicans have problems with the banks, and the rich getting ever richer while their own pay stagnates.

Basically, some of his positions do resonate with some segments of Republican voters. I don't see the basis for thinking that HRC can win more of those votes than BS can. Except for that one word, Socialist. And he will have to spend a lot of time continuing to explain/defend that, how Scandanavian style Democratic Socialism is not the same as Marxist style Communism. But I don't think that's any worse than what HRC is up against, in terms of what the right has thrown and will throw at her. Neither of them would get a majority among Republicans. They would both get some. And for the reasons I mentioned, I think BS could get more.

Barney Frank is a brought man. He has no busy lecturing to us.