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hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:38 PM Oct 2015

The next wave of surrogate talking points will essentially be:

Something along the lines of How can you trust someone who never changes their mind?

This was basically floated today on MTP: (BTW, Chuckie's hard hitting question is laughable.)

CHUCK TODD:

Welcome back. Let's have a look at this. Two weeks ago, even before she did an about face on the trade deal, I asked Hillary Clinton if she was changing some of her positions for political expediency.

(BEGIN TAPE)

HILLARY CLINTON:

I just don't think that reflects either my uh, assessment of issues. And I don't think it reflects how people who are thoughtful actually conduct their lives. I mean if we don't learn , we don't make decisions based on the best information we have available, well that's regrettable.

I'm not gonna sit here and tell people that I make up my mind. That's the Republicans. They make up their minds.

(END TAPE)

CHUCK TODD:

Let's bring in the panel. Radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt, Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post, Kathleen Parker also The Washington Post, Nathan Gonzales, editor of the Rothenberg & GonzalesPoliticalReport.

Kathleen, with she gave that answer, I had asked her about TPP at the time too. And she wasn't ready to announce it. But it always felt as if she was laying the groundwork.

KATHLEEN PARKER:

Right. Well, look. In your question, "Are you doing things for political expedience?" Of course she's not going to say, "Well, yes. Actually, I'm just trying to win some people over from Bernie Sanders." But of course she is. But I think you can give her the benefit of the doubt too and at least it's plausible that she has changed her mind based on legitimate concerns.

Because whatever was happening before when she was secretary of State and representing the Obama administration may have shifted to some extent. But as she said, she doesn't really know because she hasn't seen the details yet. So giving her the benefit of the doubt--

CHUCK TODD:

Are you giving her the benefit of the doubt?

KATHLEEN PARKER:

Well, for now. For this moment. I'm not really opposed to people changing their minds. I'm much more concerned with people who never change their minds no matter what new information is available.


I'm curious if we will see some sychronized tweets.
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The next wave of surrogate talking points will essentially be: (Original Post) hootinholler Oct 2015 OP
Gee - what should Bernie change his mind on? djean111 Oct 2015 #1
Well, the obvious retort there is that when one was right even on less info, there's no reason to Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #2
Lol, well that's the talking we're seeing. We're supposed to elect 'leaders' who are in the LEARNING sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #15
Kathleen Parker has no association whatsoever with the Clintons, so what's your point again? Metric System Oct 2015 #3
That just prior to the first debate hootinholler Oct 2015 #5
She made a ridiculous statement regardless of who she is associated with. She stated that sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #16
Kathleen Parker is not a Hillary surrogate. You've been fed incorrect information. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #4
Where did I claim she was? hootinholler Oct 2015 #6
I reckon your claim is spot on. Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #17
unofficially, she is restorefreedom Oct 2015 #18
oh, his mind changes. It's his principles that are unwavering. magical thyme Oct 2015 #7
"Bernie Sanders never changes his mind." anonymous former staffers report... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #8
good call. I would bet Clinton and the "moderators" will claim that flexible ethics are good Doctor_J Oct 2015 #9
I think a weather vane is to concrete for h artislife Oct 2015 #10
To be fair hootinholler Oct 2015 #11
Yes and we do have to be artislife Oct 2015 #12
Saw that left-of-center2012 Oct 2015 #13
fortunately for the lone wolf he has no surrogates to worry about lol nt msongs Oct 2015 #14

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Well, the obvious retort there is that when one was right even on less info, there's no reason to
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

change your mind as new info becomes available.

Why should Kathleen Parker be 'much more concerned' over people who were right all along, and thus didn't have to change their minds, rather than people who were wrong and now want to hop on the 'right' bandwagon?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. Lol, well that's the talking we're seeing. We're supposed to elect 'leaders' who are in the LEARNING
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:46 PM
Oct 2015

PROCESS!

It actually is FUNNY when you think of it. That THEY think WE are going to be handing over power like this to people who have had DECADES to 'learn' and are still in the Learning Process. When we have someone who went through that process at a very young age, assessed what he had learned back then wrt to things like War and Economics and the The Money in Politics and Trade Agreements that harm American workers and Civil Rights etc.

That should be their slogan. 'Elect me I'm still in the Learning Process and promise this, when I make a terrible mistake, in ten years, if I'm running for something I will be as open as possible and I will admit to that awful. Otherwise it's none of your business'.

Learning is good. Evolving is great no matter how long it takes.

But NOT if you are doing your learning while your lack of knowledge, that is what Hillary has said about Iraq no, is going to affect the lives of millions of people for decades to come.

For THAT Job we need someone who we KNOW had the judgement and the foresight to make the right decisions at the time they are needed.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
5. That just prior to the first debate
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:13 PM
Oct 2015

The notion that not changing your mind about stuff is bad. I know it's subtle, but I was simply predicting what we will see as an upcoming talking point. Hillary put it out there and Kathleen picked it right up.

I could very well be wrong, but Bernie will likely stress his consistency on positions over the years and how can you counter that? By getting the notion that not changing your mind is bad out there.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. She made a ridiculous statement regardless of who she is associated with. She stated that
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:48 PM
Oct 2015

it's okay to have leaders who are still in the Learning Process on major issues that affect the lives of millions of people.

I don't know how these people get these jobs, because critical thinking appears not to be one of the qualifications required.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
17. I reckon your claim is spot on.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:08 PM
Oct 2015

In the coming days and weeks when you call attention to your claim coming true they'll tell you you're mistaken or a fool or avoid the fact.

I'll be watching with you, won't have to wait long.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. unofficially, she is
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:24 PM
Oct 2015

she has pushing hillary and downplaying bernie nearly every week on press the meat.

she clearly has her side picked.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. oh, his mind changes. It's his principles that are unwavering.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:19 PM
Oct 2015

He just bases his decisions on facts and what's right, versus what's right for himself.

And what doesn't change are his principles.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
8. "Bernie Sanders never changes his mind." anonymous former staffers report...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:22 PM
Oct 2015

Yeah. I fully expect to see a post like this by someone who's already posted in this thread LOL.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. good call. I would bet Clinton and the "moderators" will claim that flexible ethics are good
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015

And if changing your mind on one issue is good, then flip flopping on every issue must be great.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
12. Yes and we do have to be
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:56 PM
Oct 2015

very clear for her followers, otherwise it would be ...well...too elusive for them.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
13. Saw that
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:59 PM
Oct 2015

Todd thinks Hillary's smart to flip flop
and Bernie needs to change on something, anything, etc.

Todd obviously a Clintonite (or Clintonista?)

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