2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe next wave of surrogate talking points will essentially be:
Something along the lines of How can you trust someone who never changes their mind?
This was basically floated today on MTP: (BTW, Chuckie's hard hitting question is laughable.)
Welcome back. Let's have a look at this. Two weeks ago, even before she did an about face on the trade deal, I asked Hillary Clinton if she was changing some of her positions for political expediency.
(BEGIN TAPE)
HILLARY CLINTON:
I just don't think that reflects either my uh, assessment of issues. And I don't think it reflects how people who are thoughtful actually conduct their lives. I mean if we don't learn , we don't make decisions based on the best information we have available, well that's regrettable.
I'm not gonna sit here and tell people that I make up my mind. That's the Republicans. They make up their minds.
(END TAPE)
CHUCK TODD:
Let's bring in the panel. Radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt, Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post, Kathleen Parker also The Washington Post, Nathan Gonzales, editor of the Rothenberg & GonzalesPoliticalReport.
Kathleen, with she gave that answer, I had asked her about TPP at the time too. And she wasn't ready to announce it. But it always felt as if she was laying the groundwork.
KATHLEEN PARKER:
Right. Well, look. In your question, "Are you doing things for political expedience?" Of course she's not going to say, "Well, yes. Actually, I'm just trying to win some people over from Bernie Sanders." But of course she is. But I think you can give her the benefit of the doubt too and at least it's plausible that she has changed her mind based on legitimate concerns.
Because whatever was happening before when she was secretary of State and representing the Obama administration may have shifted to some extent. But as she said, she doesn't really know because she hasn't seen the details yet. So giving her the benefit of the doubt--
CHUCK TODD:
Are you giving her the benefit of the doubt?
KATHLEEN PARKER:
Well, for now. For this moment. I'm not really opposed to people changing their minds. I'm much more concerned with people who never change their minds no matter what new information is available.
I'm curious if we will see some sychronized tweets.
djean111
(14,255 posts)What a pants-load of crap. As usual.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)change your mind as new info becomes available.
Why should Kathleen Parker be 'much more concerned' over people who were right all along, and thus didn't have to change their minds, rather than people who were wrong and now want to hop on the 'right' bandwagon?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)PROCESS!
It actually is FUNNY when you think of it. That THEY think WE are going to be handing over power like this to people who have had DECADES to 'learn' and are still in the Learning Process. When we have someone who went through that process at a very young age, assessed what he had learned back then wrt to things like War and Economics and the The Money in Politics and Trade Agreements that harm American workers and Civil Rights etc.
That should be their slogan. 'Elect me I'm still in the Learning Process and promise this, when I make a terrible mistake, in ten years, if I'm running for something I will be as open as possible and I will admit to that awful. Otherwise it's none of your business'.
Learning is good. Evolving is great no matter how long it takes.
But NOT if you are doing your learning while your lack of knowledge, that is what Hillary has said about Iraq no, is going to affect the lives of millions of people for decades to come.
For THAT Job we need someone who we KNOW had the judgement and the foresight to make the right decisions at the time they are needed.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)The notion that not changing your mind about stuff is bad. I know it's subtle, but I was simply predicting what we will see as an upcoming talking point. Hillary put it out there and Kathleen picked it right up.
I could very well be wrong, but Bernie will likely stress his consistency on positions over the years and how can you counter that? By getting the notion that not changing your mind is bad out there.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)it's okay to have leaders who are still in the Learning Process on major issues that affect the lives of millions of people.
I don't know how these people get these jobs, because critical thinking appears not to be one of the qualifications required.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)My claim is that surrogates will pick this notion up.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)In the coming days and weeks when you call attention to your claim coming true they'll tell you you're mistaken or a fool or avoid the fact.
I'll be watching with you, won't have to wait long.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she has pushing hillary and downplaying bernie nearly every week on press the meat.
she clearly has her side picked.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)He just bases his decisions on facts and what's right, versus what's right for himself.
And what doesn't change are his principles.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Yeah. I fully expect to see a post like this by someone who's already posted in this thread LOL.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)And if changing your mind on one issue is good, then flip flopping on every issue must be great.
artislife
(9,497 posts)she is one elusive entity
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hootinholler
(26,449 posts)It does match her logo
artislife
(9,497 posts)very clear for her followers, otherwise it would be ...well...too elusive for them.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Todd thinks Hillary's smart to flip flop
and Bernie needs to change on something, anything, etc.
Todd obviously a Clintonite (or Clintonista?)